Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

Post #61 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:25 am

FWIW I love Bledsoe in SAC, though. If there's a 3-teamer that works I think that's a basis SAC would work around.

nevetsov · Post #62 » by **nevetsov** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:37 am

^^ I don't see what Sac realistically has that would be equal value for Bled. They'd want to pair him with DMC, and I don't think there's enough left on their roster that equates to Bled right now. Do they own their 2017 first rounder?

The three team idea is intriguing considering their glut of young bigs, so maybe they could cobble something together there.

What team needs young bigs with potential though?

AtheJ415 · Post #63 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:36 am

I'd love to find a way to get Labissiere in a trade for Knight. Play him as our backup 5 with Len, then move Chandler elsewhere.

End up with:

Chriss/Bender
Len/Skal

as your bigs. That's a good fit for our style of play imo, and pretty cheap as a unit because 3 are on the rookie scale for years.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #64 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:01 am

Andre Roberstan wrote:FWIW I love Bledsoe in SAC, though. If there's a 3-teamer that works I think that's a basis SAC would work around.

I think a possible 3 teamer would be bledsoe to sac gay to okc and payne, WCS, and cap filler from okc to Phoenix.

OKC gets a scorer to help Westbrook and gays bird rights making it easier to keep him this summer.

Sac gets cousins' buddy to play point and make a playoff run.

Phoenix gets a couple of young guys with upside. They would then need to move Chandler to open up playing time for wcs at the c. Payne is a talented player who id love to give a test drive at the pg. I really like wcs and len combo, it gives you a lot of matchup flexibility where you can use len to bang with the big cs and wcs to move with the more perimeter c's.

You might even be able to expand that deal and send tucker out with some asset coming back. He could help either okc or sac make a playoff push.

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carey · Post #65 » by **carey** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:53 am

AtheJ415 wrote:I'd love to find a way to get Labissiere in a trade for Knight. Play him as our backup 5 with Len, then move Chandler elsewhere.

End up with:

Chriss/Bender
Len/Skal

as your bigs. That's a good fit for our style of play imo, and pretty cheap as a unit because 3 are on the rookie scale for years.

Can you imagine trying to pay 3 of those guys at once though? You'd have to move at least one down the line.

TeamTragic · Post #66 » by **TeamTragic** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:08 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244361/Goran-Dragic-Heat-Open-To-Pursuing-Trade-Scenarios

Guess what wants to be traded? Guess who wants to trade for him? If they get Dragic how does that change the discussions they have had with McD about Knight?

Post #67 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:39 am

carey wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:I'd love to find a way to get Labissiere in a trade for Knight. Play him as our backup 5 with Len, then move Chandler elsewhere.

End up with:

Chriss/Bender
Len/Skal

as your bigs. That's a good fit for our style of play imo, and pretty cheap as a unit because 3 are on the rookie scale for years.

Can you imagine trying to pay 3 of those guys at once though? You'd have to move at least one down the line.

Chances are one would not pan out with those three, but getting Skal increases the odds of having 2 pan out....or 1 for that matter.

Jdiddy701 · Post #68 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:07 am

I'm not the best at the trade machine .. I would love a WCS to Phoenix, Knight to Miami and Dragic to Sacramento. Something in that nature.

Ok goodnight.

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DaleyBlind · Post #69 » by **DaleyBlind** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:54 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I'm not the best at the trade machine .. I would love a WCS to Phoenix, Knight to Miami and Dragic to Sacramento. Something in that nature.

Ok goodnight.

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Affalo would have come to us to make salaries work. He is trash these days.

Post #70 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:43 pm

Let's try this again. Third time's the charm right?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zttselx

Got his buddies Dudley/LB back! Slide Booker to the 3, have Warren as our microwave off the bench, he's shown he is capable of doing it.
Half joking, but half serious. I think this trade would be hilarious. So basically we traded Knight and the Lakers pick for 2018 & 2021 Miami picks.

Post #71 » by **ATTL** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:46 pm

Trade knight for dragic and unprotection in their 18 pick or right to swap this year. I don't even like Goran.

MathiasPW · Post #72 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:19 pm

Can u just imagine the press conference when he gets back?

Goran and his shyness trying to explain the unexplainable comments he made towards the organization.

Djedefre · Post #73 » by **Djedefre** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:40 pm

Yes, yes, 1 WCS here, please!

jcsunsfan · Post #74 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:46 pm

When your primary motivation in a trade is to get RID of a player, you will lose--almost every time. No trades until we decides what player we really WANT.

The Goran trades are silly. Miami wants to rebuild. They are hoping to gain assets lost to the Suns. IOW, they want picks, and good ones.

darealjuice · Post #75 » by **darealjuice** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:50 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:When your primary motivation in a trade is to get RID of a player, you will lose--almost every time. No trades until we decides what player we really WANT.

The Goran trades are silly. Miami wants to rebuild. They are hoping to gain assets lost to the Suns. IOW, they want picks, and good ones.

True, but we did get rid of Markieff for a late lottery pick last year, so it's not impossible. Hopefully the rumors of moving Knight are true though.

kennydorglas · Post #76 » by **kennydorglas** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:40 pm

Wish we had traded Goran earlier.
Dear god, I loved IT here.

AtheJ415 · Post #77 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:52 pm

kennydorglas wrote:Wish we had traded Goran earlier.
Dear god, I loved IT here.

You're one of the few. Most here hated IT as a ball stopping chucker and lamented not having a pass first PG. Sound familiar?

I am actually entirely fine with when we moved Goran. We got a good deal for him and those picks are looking mighty good if they don't hit a home run in FA, particularly if they trade Goran.

AtheJ415 · Post #78 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:06 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
carey wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:I'd love to find a way to get Labissiere in a trade for Knight. Play him as our backup 5 with Len, then move Chandler elsewhere.

End up with:

Chriss/Bender
Len/Skal

as your bigs. That's a good fit for our style of play imo, and pretty cheap as a unit because 3 are on the rookie scale for years.

Can you imagine trying to pay 3 of those guys at once though? You'd have to move at least one down the line.

Chances are one would not pan out with those three, but getting Skal increases the odds of having 2 pan out....or 1 for that matter.

Exactly. And if they all somehow did--it's a good problem. You pay the ones you prefer and trade the others.

I kind of hate that Miami is now in this, which hurts our bargaining power. That is, unless Miami would rather have Knight than Goran due to age/rebuilding, in which case Goran to Sac, Knight to Heat, and one of Skal/WCS and a late pick to us from Sac (2nd round) and a decent pick (1st round) to Miami. That might be a little steep for Sac, but that's one scenario. Or a 4 team with Gay going out, Tucker going to Sac, and stuff from like an OKC (wherever Gay goes) going to us and Miami. We'll see. Complicated trades normally don't go through. It's a lot easier to do a 2 team trade than 3-4.

For all those wanting WCS--I think Skal is a better fit for spacing issues and rookie cap control. He is at a much lower cap number for years due to his draft slot, isn't playing much in Sac, and it's not like WCS is this safe, proven player. WCS has been pretty bad. Really you need 5 bigs though b/w the 4 and 5, so getting both may be preferable also assuming Chandler gets moved. Sac would still have Koufos and DMC.

thamadkant · Post #79 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:11 pm

No to Dragic.

But I bet Spurs are dying to get someone like him.

kennydorglas · Post #80 » by **kennydorglas** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:36 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:Wish we had traded Goran earlier.
Dear god, I loved IT here.

You're one of the few. Most here hated IT as a ball stopping chucker and lamented not having a pass first PG. Sound familiar?

I am actually entirely fine with when we moved Goran. We got a good deal for him and those picks are looking mighty good if they don't hit a home run in FA, particularly if they trade Goran.

McD almost pulled a miracle in that Dragic deal.