George Karl at it again...

[ibraheim718]

Abe your argument is weak if you are going to defend George is not a racist. You are using that because he works with Blacks for x amount of years means he would not be racist cause why would he work with people he don't like. Well last time I remember....Coaches CONTROL the team. He is the head banana when it comes to pecking order. What he says go(overseer) So yes a person who is racist can still be a coach and it works the way he would like it too. You acting like Karl was under somebody black being told what to do. These same black people that he controlled made him rich and famous...dont see how that can't super seed any hidden thoughts. Who cares there is no reports of him being racist. Donald Sterling was racist as **** for decades, and it only came out when it came out. If you going to argue the dude is not racist find a better argument than saying he worked(controlled) blacks for 30 years...how can he be racist.

Donald Sterling and George Karl is just an awful awful comparison. An NBA team is like a family. Those guys go through hell together.. coaches and players. It's just a bad comparison. He ain't a racist. No way no how.

[dakomish23]

History lesson: I've been defending Karl since before I was a "Melo-hater".. when I was considered a "Melo stan".

So you're saying if he made a bunch of negative comments about anyone, like KP or Lin back when he played for us, you'd be here caping for Karl?

I love me some George Karl. Always have. My apologies. Yes.

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

[ibraheim718]

So you're saying if he made a bunch of negative comments about anyone, like KP or Lin back when he played for us, you'd be here caping for Karl?

I love me some George Karl. Always have. My apologies. Yes.

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

Brown won in College too.. did Carlisle build that up?

[IllmaticHandler]

Abe your argument is weak if you are going to defend George is not a racist. You are using that because he works with Blacks for x amount of years means he would not be racist cause why would he work with people he don't like. Well last time I remember....Coaches CONTROL the team. He is the head banana when it comes to pecking order. What he says go(overseer) So yes a person who is racist can still be a coach and it works the way he would like it too. You acting like Karl was under somebody black being told what to do. These same black people that he controlled made him rich and famous...dont see how that can't super seed any hidden thoughts. Who cares there is no reports of him being racist. Donald Sterling was racist as **** for decades, and it only came out when it came out. If you going to argue the dude is not racist find a better argument than saying he worked(controlled) blacks for 30 years...how can he be racist.

Donald Sterling and George Karl is just an awful awful comparison. An NBA team is like a family. Those guys go through hell together.. coaches and players. It's just a bad comparison. He ain't a racist. No way no how.

He may not be. But your not make a compelling argument on how can't be. There is racism in the FDNY(brotherhood/family)Where the white brass call shots. there is racism in the NYPD(brotherhood/family/go through hell)Where white brass call the shots. There is racism in the Military(brotherhood/family/go through hell) Where white brass call the shots. I can go on and on.

[ibraheim718]

Abe your argument is weak if you are going to defend George is not a racist. You are using that because he works with Blacks for x amount of years means he would not be racist cause why would he work with people he don't like. Well last time I remember....Coaches CONTROL the team. He is the head banana when it comes to pecking order. What he says go(overseer) So yes a person who is racist can still be a coach and it works the way he would like it too. You acting like Karl was under somebody black being told what to do. These same black people that he controlled made him rich and famous...dont see how that can't super seed any hidden thoughts. Who cares there is no reports of him being racist. Donald Sterling was racist as **** for decades, and it only came out when it came out. If you going to argue the dude is not racist find a better argument than saying he worked(controlled) blacks for 30 years...how can he be racist.

Donald Sterling and George Karl is just an awful awful comparison. An NBA team is like a family. Those guys go through hell together.. coaches and players. It's just a bad comparison. He ain't a racist. No way no how.

He may not be. But your not make a compelling argument on how can't be. There is racism in the FDNY(brotherhood/family)Where the white brass call shots. there is racism in the NYPD(brotherhood/family/go through hell)Where white brass call the shots. There is racism in the Military(brotherhood/family/go through hell) Where white brass call the shots. I can go on and on.

Meh.. it is what it is. Non-story to me. All this stuff has been said before or intimated. I'm ghost.

[dakomish23]

I love me some George Karl. Always have. My apologies. Yes.

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

Brown won in College too.. did Carlisle build that up?

So being able to win at the collegiate level translates to being able to win at the NBA level?

Rick Pitino says hello

So does John Calipari

Carlisle built that DET team up and I think most would agree he would of won that chip in 2004 with that squad.

[ibraheim718]

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

Brown won in College too.. did Carlisle build that up?

So being able to win at the collegiate level translates to being able to win at the NBA level?

Rick Pitino says hello

So does John Calipari

Neither Calipari or Pitino won an NBA Championship.

[ibraheim718]

Carlisle built that DET team up and I think most would agree he would of won that chip in 2004 with that squad.

No it was Brown who was responsible for the Pistons trading for Wallace.. both ex-tarheels. And it was Wallace that was the difference.

[HEZI]

Alright I'll dip. I knew reading this thread that y'all were going to be sensitive. I have bigger battles to fight in the future.

I'm not taking sides. I'm just watching the show. Pretend I'm not even here.

I just love me some old grumpy coaches. This conversation is really a basketball fraternity conversation so for me that's how I view it. I don't read into race.. George Karl has his place in the fraternity cemented. This is an old grump coach throwing kids that drove him crazy under the bus.

But the other truth is also.. it was Karl that cost the Nuggets a chance at a championship more than it was Melo with two of the most awfully designed in bounds plays in NBA history.

You've been here a while.. let's reminisce about the time I was the boards biggest Melo Stan. Good times.. I should post some stuff from back then.

He doesn't seem to ever talk negative when it comes to Gary Payton or Shawn Kemp, so he might not be a racist but just an old grumpy coach like you said. I think to this day he still refers to Gary Payton as one of his closest friends.

[Capn'O]

stuff

Are those avocados?

[Chuck Everett]

Inside the NBA just danced around it, no one actually had a firm comment. I wasn't surprised because Kenny went to UNC, so Carolina family. But when Ernie says, we know George, he isn't like that, well in his own words, obviously he is, so you don't know George. He's clearly got some views he would never share in public.

[Greenie]

stuff

Are those avocados?

yep

[Capn'O]

stuff

Are those avocados?

yep

Your avi is already taking it's toll.

http://www.kcra.com/article/holy-moley-no-guacamole-ca-sees-avocado-shortage/7666869

A nationwide shortage of avocados has led to higher prices and less fresh eats in California and the Sacramento area.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make for our Knicks.

[Capn'O]

HOOOOO Kmart's stuff is gold!

But it isn't.

It's funny as hell.

You know I like the grumpy old coaches club but this cat I don't. He was a good, not great, coach but unlike the others it's not gamesmanship. He's straight vindictive and you see that in how his former players view him vs. Riley, Phil, and Brown. Those men are beloved or at least respected by numerous players while you don't see guys coming to bat for Karl.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I would like to know which players Karl actually liked.

He seemed to like low talent players that had "hard worker" reputations. AC for example, somehow was a starting PG in Karl's eyes.

[BasicBall]

George been salty since Melo left, but attacking a dude's personal life for things he had no control over (his dad not around, really George?) is beyond disgusting and can be perceived as racist. And why is it just open season on Melo anyway? I'll give him credit, no matter who snipes at him on or off the court, Carmelo always has taken the high road while here in NY and he has handled being here in a losing situation as well as anyone I can remember. I really hope he gets to if not win a chip here, compete at the highest level wearing the orange and blue.

[HerSports85]

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

Brown won in College too.. did Carlisle build that up?

So being able to win at the collegiate level translates to being able to win at the NBA level?

Rick Pitino says hello

So does John Calipari

Carlisle built that DET team up and I think most would agree he would of won that chip in 2004 with that squad.

Sorry not many people here in Detroit will agree with you.

Larry Brown provided us with everything we were missing to win a championship. Not only was he vocal in bringing in Rasheed but he completely changed Ben Wallace game and made him an offensive threat. Teams could no longer play off of him ( Ben credits Brown for most of his success as well)

This is what made the pistons dangerous, you had to respect all 5 on the court.

Our identity changed under Brown, we were a lock down defensive team with a bunch a players that not many believed it.

Under Carlisle we had some good regular seasons but we weren't winning with him in the playoffs.


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[N8isScofield]

I love me some George Karl. Always have. My apologies. Yes.

I always hated the guy and that was before we had all those former DEN guys. I think he's overrated as a coach and cares about no one but himself. Same sentiment for Larry Brown, who I think only won based on what Carlisle built up.

Brown won in College too.. did Carlisle build that up?

Oh because winning in college translates to the pros? How are Melo and Patrick's winning in college translates to winning in the pros rings looking?

[ShazamDaShiznt]

George Karl: 27 years as head coach = 0 rings.

George Karl: Career losing playoff record of 62-83 (.427%).

Who is George Karl to criticize anyone?

Especially a future 1st ballot Hall of Famer of Melo's caliber who's an NCAA Champion, NBA Scoring Champion, 9x NBA All-Star, 1st & only 3x U.S.A Gold Medal Olympian and will go down as one of the greatest NBA Pure Scorers of All-Time (on pace to crack the top 10 in All-Time scoring and with good health, possibly top 5).

But yea. Right. I guess George Karl can hang on to his "whopping" 9 coach of the month awards after 27 years of coaching. Laughable.

And wasn't George Karl an NBA player from 1973-1978? How did his little 5 year NBA playing career go? He's a sad, angry & bitter person.

and that's just the tip of the iceberg, this coach is one of the biggest snakes you would ever find. back in seattle when it was considered his most successful team he wanted to trade kemp for pippen behind his back after that infamous 1st round exit against mutombo nuggets. He didnt even talk to GM he went straight to the owner, and they rejected the trade because seattle fans were going to burn down the stadium if that happened. Kemp didn't trust this coach like that anymore, and it built up to that 97 outta shape thing that got him traded to cavs, he wasn't motivated in seattle anymore.

In fact you can notice the pattern in every team karl coached:

seattle reached the finals in 96, and next year they went way downhill.

milwaukee almost made it to the finals and next year their team was finished

denver went to conference finals and next year they were back to 1st round exit and all these flying rumors about ego's clashing together.

this is the coach who shows his true colors when the shyt gets real. some old privileged white man. a coach like mark jackson, who's respected by a lot of players can't get another coaching job, while this guy, who should be enjoying his retirement, still managed to scam another franchise on his way out.

[Futureisnow]

Good on Melo for taking the high road. Karl was probably hoping against hope that Melo would lose it and go off on him, which I guess he figures would sell books (it certainly would make it a top story on all the sports talk shows). As is, Karl looks really petty for this, especially that comment about him not having a father. Real scumbag move. His father died of cancer and you use that to attack him? Low class.