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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1641 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:36 am

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LeBron can make anyone a contender. If Okafor were on the Cavs they would not have won. With Okafor playing starters minutes meaning 28-32 minutes on the Cavs they might lose to Toronto. LeBron couldn't make up for all the defensive lapses by Okafor. Okafor on golden st would make them much easier to beat. Okafor playing 30 minutes for the warriors would be horrible. Okafor makes every team worse defensively thus making then a worse team overall.


With Lebron, Okafor would shoot over 60% from the field and get 2 blocks per game. :noway:


Lol. And what would Okafor do on the defensive end? Tristan Thompson rebounds and plays good defense. He is at least a deterrent at the rim and doesn't allow a layup line on defense. I love how when mentioning Okafor younonly bring up what he will do on offense while completely disregarding what he will do on defense. LeBron would definitely want Noel ovee Okafor I feel he had a choice between the two.


You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1642 » by AdotSmoove » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:25 am

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With Lebron, Okafor would shoot over 60% from the field and get 2 blocks per game. :noway:


Lol. And what would Okafor do on the defensive end? Tristan Thompson rebounds and plays good defense. He is at least a deterrent at the rim and doesn't allow a layup line on defense. I love how when mentioning Okafor younonly bring up what he will do on offense while completely disregarding what he will do on defense. LeBron would definitely want Noel ovee Okafor I feel he had a choice between the two.


You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


He could average 5 blocks a game and it still wouldn't make him a good defender


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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1643 » by LloydFree » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:22 pm

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Lol. And what would Okafor do on the defensive end? Tristan Thompson rebounds and plays good defense. He is at least a deterrent at the rim and doesn't allow a layup line on defense. I love how when mentioning Okafor younonly bring up what he will do on offense while completely disregarding what he will do on defense. LeBron would definitely want Noel ovee Okafor I feel he had a choice between the two.


You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


He could average 5 blocks a game and it still wouldn't make him a good defender

LOL. He should average 10 blocks per game. The minute Embiid sits down, it's like a bell rings and it's a 'Bumb rush' straight to the basket. It's almost comical how opposing teams attack him when he's in the game.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1644 » by Sixerscan » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:58 pm

He also doesn't average 2 blocks a game, you're talking about a hypothetical scenario. Also the year they actually won the finals Mozgov averaged 5 mpg in the playoffs.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1645 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:19 pm

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With Lebron, Okafor would shoot over 60% from the field and get 2 blocks per game. :noway:


Lol. And what would Okafor do on the defensive end? Tristan Thompson rebounds and plays good defense. He is at least a deterrent at the rim and doesn't allow a layup line on defense. I love how when mentioning Okafor younonly bring up what he will do on offense while completely disregarding what he will do on defense. LeBron would definitely want Noel ovee Okafor I feel he had a choice between the two.


You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


Defense is more than just blocks just like it's more than just steals. Who cares how many blocks he averages if he keeps getting abused in pick and roll and makes the defense worse. Serious question. Who do you think the Cavs would rather have between Noel and Okafor if they could only choose between the two?
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1646 » by 76ciology » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:28 pm

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Lol. And what would Okafor do on the defensive end? Tristan Thompson rebounds and plays good defense. He is at least a deterrent at the rim and doesn't allow a layup line on defense. I love how when mentioning Okafor younonly bring up what he will do on offense while completely disregarding what he will do on defense. LeBron would definitely want Noel ovee Okafor I feel he had a choice between the two.


You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


Defense is more than just blocks just like it's more than just steals. Who cares how many blocks he averages if he keeps getting abused in pick and roll and makes the defense worse. Serious question. Who do you think the Cavs would rather have between Noel and Okafor if they could only choose between the two?


Okafor. Cavs doesn't need a defensive anchor C and it's not like either Noel or Jah is at the same level of Tristan's rebounding. If they need one, they could have easy signed a dime a dozen rim protector over the summer. A C like Mozgov or Okafor would already be sufficient with Love's rebounding and LBJ's elite defensive impact.

Between Jah's scoring and Noel's rim protection, I'd assume they'd value Jah specially if they plan to take advantage of GSW's weak C position defense. Jah gives them another card for teams with weak C position defense to deal with.

Then again, I also don't think they need Okafor. I'd assume they'd value ilyasova or Roco over our bigs. While I think teams in the NBA (mostly doesn't have elite two way wings) would value Noel.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1647 » by TTP » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:37 pm

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You Okafor haters intentionally ignore his blocks and ALL MENTION of his blocks... :banghead:


Defense is more than just blocks just like it's more than just steals. Who cares how many blocks he averages if he keeps getting abused in pick and roll and makes the defense worse. Serious question. Who do you think the Cavs would rather have between Noel and Okafor if they could only choose between the two?


Okafor. Cavs doesn't need a defensive anchor C and it's not like either Noel or Jah is at the same level of Tristan's rebounding. If they need one, they could have easy signed a dime a dozen rim protector over the summer. A C like Mozgov or Okafor would already be sufficient with Love's rebounding and LBJ's elite defensive impact. Between Jah's scoring and Noel's rim protection, I'd assume they'd value Jah specially if they plan to take advantage of GSW's weak C position defense.

Then again, I also don't think they need Okafor. I'd assume they'd value ilyasova or Roco over our bigs.


How? They're way up into the luxury tax. I'm pretty sure the only way they could have signed anyone was with the MLE for 3.5 million, which they used on Jefferson.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1648 » by 76ciology » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:42 pm

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Defense is more than just blocks just like it's more than just steals. Who cares how many blocks he averages if he keeps getting abused in pick and roll and makes the defense worse. Serious question. Who do you think the Cavs would rather have between Noel and Okafor if they could only choose between the two?


Okafor. Cavs doesn't need a defensive anchor C and it's not like either Noel or Jah is at the same level of Tristan's rebounding. If they need one, they could have easy signed a dime a dozen rim protector over the summer. A C like Mozgov or Okafor would already be sufficient with Love's rebounding and LBJ's elite defensive impact. Between Jah's scoring and Noel's rim protection, I'd assume they'd value Jah specially if they plan to take advantage of GSW's weak C position defense.

Then again, I also don't think they need Okafor. I'd assume they'd value ilyasova or Roco over our bigs.


How? They're way up into the luxury tax. I'm pretty sure the only way they could have signed anyone was with the MLE for 3.5 million, which they used on Jefferson.


if they really need one (they've been playing without one for quite some time), they would have been creative enough to acquire one.

Maybe go GSW/Spurs route of Mcgee or Dedmon or use one of their picks to get one.

Point is, they value Dunleavy and Frye over a defensive C.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1649 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:42 pm

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Defense is more than just blocks just like it's more than just steals. Who cares how many blocks he averages if he keeps getting abused in pick and roll and makes the defense worse. Serious question. Who do you think the Cavs would rather have between Noel and Okafor if they could only choose between the two?


Okafor. Cavs doesn't need a defensive anchor C and it's not like either Noel or Jah is at the same level of Tristan's rebounding. If they need one, they could have easy signed a dime a dozen rim protector over the summer. A C like Mozgov or Okafor would already be sufficient with Love's rebounding and LBJ's elite defensive impact. Between Jah's scoring and Noel's rim protection, I'd assume they'd value Jah specially if they plan to take advantage of GSW's weak C position defense.

Then again, I also don't think they need Okafor. I'd assume they'd value ilyasova or Roco over our bigs.


How? They're way up into the luxury tax. I'm pretty sure the only way they could have signed anyone was with the MLE for 3.5 million, which they used on Jefferson.


Dedmon for the full 3.5m would have been swell.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1650 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:31 pm

Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.

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Post#1651 » by Negrodamus » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:31 pm

Edit: Looks like you win..... this time.
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Post#1653 » by Negrodamus » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:50 pm

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That's an understatement if I've ever seen it. I don't think Embiid is without fault here either.

I will say that rebound opportunities come from missed shots and if there's a guy who disrupts shots, it's Noel. Maybe if Embiid didn't have to be the only shot contester on the team, he'd be hauling in more.
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Post#1654 » by rzzzzz » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:18 pm

i just like Brown sitting the three of them down and getting them to work stuff out. sorry it's taken this long to get them all out on the court. hope Ben joins them soon. let's see what the various combinations can do before we hit the trade deadline. (cause despite the negative "unidentified sources", there are teams looking to make the playoffs and teams looking to win it all.)
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1655 » by TTP » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:22 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.

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This reads like a job interview.
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Post#1656 » by Ericb5 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:44 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.

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Let's assume that this is accurate. Don't you think he is asking hypothetically to see what THEY think they bring to the table?

The fact that you won't give him the benefit of the doubt on that shows how jaded you are, which is rampant amongst the anti Okafor and anti Brown crowd.

Even if you think he is a bad coach, for your take on this to be accurate you would have to assume that he was a moron.


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Post#1657 » by TTP » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:47 pm

I just want to know what Okafor's answer was.

Also, why was Richaun not included?
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Post#1658 » by LloydFree » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:18 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Ummmm how about the coach tell the players what advantages and disadvantages they bring? That's why he's the coach. A bad one I might add.


You're taking more out of it than it is. This is what good managers do. It's just like when a manager gives his employees their yearly review, but allows them to rate themselves. It's just psychology. He's trying to get them to think about (and own) their weaknesses so they instinctively start working to improve them.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#1659 » by 76ciology » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:27 pm

Yup, need to crash the boards specially with the Orebs to weaken opponent's fast break opportunities. Thats what most teams do against small ball heavy teams.
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Post#1660 » by kriss73 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:30 pm

TTP wrote:I just want to know what Okafor's answer was.

Also, why was Richaun not included?

Holmes is not with the team in Phoenix. Concussion protocol.
Maybe he was tired to be the only healty center.
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