Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Knicksfan1992]

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

[Thugger HBC]

Dragic is more likely to give the consistent production, but if it's star type power, Rose is the closest we could get, but health questions will always loom over his head.

I do think Rose is the better player, especially with his ability to get to the rim. Just stop passing in the air and I'm good.

[Knicksfan1992]

Sorry, paying Goran tons of money is so bad.

PGs can be had. I'd much prefer to give Rose $40M over 2 than get Dragic. Dragic is basically a fake starter. He does do a handful of things pretty well, yeah. But nothing really well. His ability to change your team's fortunes good or bad is very suspect. He's just a decent player.

I generally agree with your stance although not as extreme on Dragic as you are but, come on you know being a fan of the Knicks for as long as you have been that the bold isn't true for our franchise .

[god shammgod]

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Why will it cost any team? Miami clearly is rebuilding and has no need for him. Trading Dragic for an expiring creates 17 mill in cap space which they can use.

[K_ick_God]

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Rose doesn't strike me as an Okay I'll give you a discount kind of guy.

[K_ick_God]

My rule on the First Advanced Stat (W-L) applies to Dragic. His win share looks great! Just not his actual wins and losses. Dude has never won diddly.

He's having a good season statistically right now, just on pure PPG and %'s.

I'll also add that there's something about him that makes me sure he'd be disappointing in NY. You expect him to take the next step to being really, really good and I'll bet you he won't -- especially not in NY. He's a great backup kind of player.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Dragic's team is ****. That cannot be used against him.

[god shammgod]

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Why will it cost any team? Miami clearly is rebuilding and has no need for him. Trading Dragic for an expiring creates 17 mill in cap space which they can use.

dragic has value. i would suppose they would want something for him. what are they really gonna do with that cap space ? they're a bad team. nobody great is coming. i imagine that dragic wanting to leave is the impetus behind this. he thought he was joining a good team. i don't think it's that they're desperate to clear his contract off the books.

[god shammgod]

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Rose doesn't strike me as an Okay I'll give you a discount kind of guy.

he doesn't. the question is if the 3 year extension is gonna be the best offer he can get so he takes it. if other teams convince his agent otherwise then i guess he won't. i can't answer that.

[god shammgod]

think of it this way, they gave up 2 1st rounders for dragic. one unprotected. why wouldn't they want something back ?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Why will it cost any team? Miami clearly is rebuilding and has no need for him. Trading Dragic for an expiring creates 17 mill in cap space which they can use.

dragic has value. i would suppose they would want something for him. what are they really gonna do with that cap space ? they're a bad team. nobody great is coming. i imagine that dragic wanting to leave is the impetus behind this. he thought he was joining a good team. i don't think it's that they're desperate to clear his contract off the books.

What kind of value? They're not getting a young player and I highly doubt they get more than 1 pick. I don't know what they'd do with the cap space, but I've learned not to underestimate The Rat even if I do hate his guts.

I don't think they're desperate either, considering it's a value deal in the new cap and he's been playing well, but if they have the option to clear future cap space, I can see them taking it.

[NBA Fan 1234]

think of it this way, they gave up 2 1st rounders for dragic. one unprotected. why wouldn't they want something back ?

Just answered this before you posted - I'm sure they do want it, but I doubt they get what they want / what they gave up.

[god shammgod]

think of it this way, they gave up 2 1st rounders for dragic. one unprotected. why wouldn't they want something back ?

Just answered this before you posted - I'm sure they do want it, but I doubt they get what they want / what they gave up.

probably not but they're not gonna give him straight up for rose. they're gonna want something. 1 pick is still something. no ?

[KnicksFTW]

We got a guy that can penetrate and somewhat create for others, and plays defense. I understand the risk but he doesn't even play like the MVP Rose.

He plays composed and picks his spots meticulously.

SIGN THIS DUDE NOWWWW

[NBA Fan 1234]

think of it this way, they gave up 2 1st rounders for dragic. one unprotected. why wouldn't they want something back ?

Just answered this before you posted - I'm sure they do want it, but I doubt they get what they want / what they gave up.

probably not but they're not gonna give him straight up for rose. they're gonna want something. 1 pick is still something. no ?

Rose + top 59 protected pick? Hey, it's something right?

[Knicksfan1992]

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.
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Oh word yeah, I like Billy too.

Yeah that's fair. I agree he does at times take bad shots, especially when he takes off-the-dribble jumpers, and has I don't want to say ignored because I don't think it's on purpose or anything but, missed people open off of his screen and rolls but, with that said his finishing has seemed to improve so it doesn't bother me as much when he attacks with only the intention to score. I do think, ultimately, his best role is either as a 6th man primary ball handler who attacks second units and finishes games with the starters or as a starting shooting guard next to a George Hill type defense first, outside shooting point guard. (which I think would be an interesting scenario if we could find someone to take Noah off of our hands for practically nothing)

However, I do understand your position with Rose going forward in a vacuum but, my issue is I don't see many alternatives that are necessarily better while also being realistic. It's might clear we're not tanking this year so, that dream is dead. Realistically what do we have that can move us up in the draft enough to get a Ball or Fox level prospect? Not enough based on where I think we'll land in the order.

Obviously if CP3, Lowry and/or Curry are willing to come here well yeah fuq Rose but, that's very unlikely. Hill is over 30 and I don't want to be the team paying George Hill 30 plus million at 36 years old. He would be an upgrade but, does that vault us past Cleveland? Definitely not without other moves which we won't have the space for and honestly probably not past Toronto or Boston either (not that I'm big on them in the first place but, we have to prove it first).

After that it's Holliday and Teague in that next tier.

I like Holliday but, his injuries scare me just as much as Rose's do. If he's willing to take a short term deal then yeah sure but, I don't see it. Someone will take the risk and give him 4 plus years and I'm not willing to commit that to him especially since he has zero reason to give us a discount.

I'm a Teague fan and I think he's slightly underrated but, is he that much better than Rose that I want to commit long term money to him? I'm not sure...Maybe.

Mills is unproven as a starter but, I could see wanting to save money there

I don't like Jennings as a starter.

Overall, I just think that if money's equal or even close Rose would be willing to take a 3 year deal here. I think he recognizes this is probably the best situation for him based off of some comments of his and I think a contract like that can be mutually beneficial. For him he has a team that's willing to look past the injuries and is comfortable with him and for us if he gets hurt again or starts to slip it won't be hard to move him at that length or he retires (God forbid of course. I would never wish that on any player)

[IllmaticHandler]

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Why will it cost any team? Miami clearly is rebuilding and has no need for him. Trading Dragic for an expiring creates 17 mill in cap space which they can use.

His floater goes in because it should. Dude has mastered the one hand floater as a guard. Its a legitimate go to move and works more often than it does not. I actually love he is the only Guard in the NBA that can pull it off the way he does on a nightly basis. Makes his game unique even if he is not dunking. Its not a shot that is easy to guard.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who is G?

Also, as an aside as a staunch Rose critic for most of the year has your stance changed at all on him after his improved play over the past month and a half or are you still completely anti-Rose? Just curious if you've seen anything different from him that would change your opinion at all. I like hearing your reasoned takes on things even if I don't necessarily agree.

Guillermo (Willy).

Oh yeah, it's changed. He's not efficient at all and he's still not a guy who sees the floor that well, but his defense has been solid, his floater goes in even when it shouldn't, and he's been attacking the rim more than any pg we've had since Lin. Advanced stats don't favor his style, but he does put pressure on defenses and has proven me wrong thus far (even though I do still get annoyed with some poor shot selection and missing open guys).

That said, my stance on him going forward is the same.

it will cost you something to get dragic while rose is already here. the knicks actually have to pay rose before the summer to get the mle. which is probably why that rumor popped up. so as far as team building the choice leans towards rose. unless he suffers some kind of serious injury, i think he's back. it is possible that he won't be satisfied with only 3 years and then who knows.

Why will it cost any team? Miami clearly is rebuilding and has no need for him. Trading Dragic for an expiring creates 17 mill in cap space which they can use.

His floater goes in because it should. Dude has mastered the one hand floater as a guard. Its a legitimate go to move and works more often than it does not. I actually love he is the only Guard in the NBA that can pull it off the way he does on a nightly basis. Makes his game unique even if he is not dunking. Its not a shot that is easy to guard.

I know he's practiced it, but some of them are damn near impossible angles with 2 defenders on them. I went to the Pacers game and it seemed like 2 floaters that went in I started saying "what the **** kind of shot is that" and then lowered my voice as it went in.

[K_ick_God]

Dragic's team is ****. That cannot be used against him.

Lin's team wasn't at all good when he carried them into the playoffs in his first real playing time. Only after his run did he get back Melo.

Listen, I know teammates matter, of course. But it's not like every player can be excused for a long history of not doing that well in the W/L column. At some point it is fair to ask ... 'No matter how good this guy's stats are, how much does he really help his team win?' Just worth contemplating and factoring in, isn't it?

It's also relevant to look at a guy's teammates too. Both are worth looking at. If a guy is never a part of a lot of winning teams, it's relevant to me.