Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[NBA Fan 1234]

D Rose has been great for us this year. We have been terrible without him. He's been healthy for the past two years but we can't just ignore his injury history.

He's approaching 30 and I highly doubt the Knicks or any other NBA franchise will give him a max deal. That being said, his cap hold is 22 million next year. An extension making $10 million per year for 3 years max would still leave us with about $20 million to spend.

Rose becoming a free agent won't be the worse thing but we will have to renounce him so his cap hold doesn't count against the cap, and we can sign other players. Renouncing him means losing Rose's bird rights tho

Who's going to replace his production?
Some free agents PGs are Curry (not leaving GS), Paul (old), Lowry (okay), Holiday (injury prone), Teague (sign me up), Hill (okay)

There are capable free agents but with the cap set to explode, I see most of them going back to their respective teams for longer deals.

The question is what's the alternative to not extending Rose at a reasonable contract?

He's going to get more than 10 million...

[blueNorange]

Dragic is signed through 19-20. No gracias.

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

[High level]

Bulls/Rose fan here. Rose seems to have gained his confidence back and seems to be adjusting in his role in New York. Really all Melo and KP needed was an attacking pg for 3rd option. I believe all the Knicks need now is a starting caliber center to pair with KP and you guys will become legit contenders.

[Newyorknick94]

Bulls/Rose fan here. Rose seems to have gained his confidence back and seems to be adjusting in his role in New York. Really all Melo and KP needed was an attacking pg for 3rd option. I believe all the Knicks need now is a starting caliber center to pair with KP and you guys will become legit contenders.

We have a starting caliber center backing up our back up caliber center

[BKlutch]

The real question is this: is Phil going to keep on bidding against himself? He did it with Noah. But since he was smart enough to let Gallow walk, let's hope this was one time mistake
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Just wanted to say this is pretty right. Gallo was a sentimental favorite because of the route he took through the D league, but he stood out only when we were playing like pathetic shyt. He has a good heart and he's ok off the bench, so I hope he sticks around in the NBA. But he wasn't anywhere near Rose, Lee, Jennings, or Holiday. And Baker seems to offer all he did on D plus more offense and a better sense of how the team runs. RealGM on it's Knicks roster page lists Baker as a PG (true, they don't have a spot for a combo guard).

[Dr. Detfink]

Don't even go there with Plankton Galloway.

He didn't even play against Philly and 6 min vs OKC. It's not until New Orleans was getting blown out against San Antonio and Houston did he get 20 min in a losing effort.

That pretty much tells you every thing about a D-league guy who is a nice kid but fact is, he's NOT going to make an impact on a team. He's there in a losing cause to fill minutes.

[DOT]

Dragic is signed through 19-20. No gracias.

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

[blueNorange]

Dragic is signed through 19-20. No gracias.

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

[DOT]

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

[NBA Fan 1234]

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

[DOT]

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

Oh, okay. I don't watch Heat games, so I wouldn't really know.
Isn't that what we have Noah and Jennings for, though?

[K_ick_God]

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

He leads his team, usually, nowhere. Such a thing to see.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

Oh, okay. I don't watch Heat games, so I wouldn't really know.
Isn't that what we have Noah and Jennings for, though?

Yeah, I guess. But when you can get it from your lead guard, I think it's different than getting it from someone else. On every team I've been on, it's different having someone light a fire who was on your skill level or above it compared to someone who is a backup. For example, I played in an AAU tournament once with Ra'Shad James (top D-League player) when he was a year (or two?) above me in HS and having him yell at me to go harder was different than hearing it from the our backup. Noah starts, but he can't really light fires on offense given his limitations; defense, it's different because we know he's the vocal leader and the guy who's going to keep everyone in check.

[DOT]


Yeah, I guess. But when you can get it from your lead guard, I think it's different than getting it from someone else. On every team I've been on, it's different having someone light a fire who was on your skill level or above it compared to someone who is a backup. For example, I played in an AAU tournament once with Ra'Shad James (top D-League player) when he was a year (or two?) above me in HS and having him yell at me to go harder was different than hearing it from the our backup. Noah starts, but he can't really light fires on offense given his limitations; defense, it's different because we know he's the vocal leader and the guy who's going to keep everyone in check.

It's an interesting thought, if we could trade Rose for Dragic, though. I'd probably do it, for the fact that his contract is pretty good, he'd love playing for Horny again, and really isn't that much different numbers wise from Rose. I don't think we'd be able to get him for just Rose, and I'd rather just let the season play out before I decide on where we go with our guards

[J9Starks3]

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

Not exactly how I would define a leader necessarily. It's not about puffing your chest and yelling at teammates. That could be part of it - but to be honest - I see it as more, do you hold YOURSELF accountable? If you do, then your teammates will respect you and follow you.

[blueNorange]

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

dragic is a better player than rose

dragic is a leader

He leads his team, usually, nowhere. Such a thing to see.

umm .. okay?

oh it's a joke hahhahhaha

okay?

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm not arguing whether or not he's better, because it's more or less a wash between the two, switching them out wouldn't be that big of a difference. Maybe we win one or two more games due to Dragic being a better finisher and 3pt shooter, but then again Rose has the ability to lock down on D (when he wants, it just rarely happens) which Dragic doesn't, so maybe we lose a game or two to that.
What I am arguing is you said he's a leader, but I don't see any evidence of that

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

Not exactly how I would define a leader necessarily. It's not about puffing your chest and yelling at teammates. That could be part of it - but to be honest - I see it as more, do you hold YOURSELF accountable? If you do, then your teammates will respect you and follow you.

He does hold himself and teammates accountable. He's more of a vocal leader than Rose is, which I like.

[K_ick_God]

Dragic is signed through 19-20. No gracias.

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

Maybe you've never heard of a race to the bottom. He's been on quite a few bad teams.

[J9Starks3]

I think it's demeanor, more than anything quantifiable. Rose is always level headed and shows little emotion on the court. When Dragic does something big, you can see him getting pumped up. When a player does something wrong, he gets livid and can flip a **** at the player (or the ref) - he's done this in international competitions and in NBA games. Rose is the same kind of leader that Melo is - set example, have others follow. Dragic will be the one to light the fire, IMO.

Not exactly how I would define a leader necessarily. It's not about puffing your chest and yelling at teammates. That could be part of it - but to be honest - I see it as more, do you hold YOURSELF accountable? If you do, then your teammates will respect you and follow you.

He does hold himself and teammates accountable. He's more of a vocal leader than Rose is, which I like.

Yea - I don't know a lot about Goran tbh - I was just reacting to your initial description.

I was not a big Rose fan prior (even during his MVP days). He just doesn't come off like a true PG to me. It's not just that he shoots a lot, because I still see Steph, Westbrook, etc as PGs. Not sure how to describe it...but Rose doesn't have it.

That said, I've really liked Rose this year and have been surprised with him. He seems to play well with Melo and KP and doesn't force it unless he has to. With his injury history and impending free agency I would certainly entertain offers for him tho and would see what the offer the heat make around Dracic.

[DOT]

that's even better, a leader that plays better angry under contract.

So he's a leader who's made it to the second round once as the third best player, and is currently leading the Heat to the third worst record in the conference, and is only third worst because the Nets and Sixers are counted as teams.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting him, but the most he would give us is the same as Rose gives us now, just don't call him a leader, cause he ain't

Maybe you've never heard of a race to the bottom. He's been on quite a few bad teams.

Sounds like he'd be perfect for the Knicks