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Is this team really that flawed?

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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#21 » by GlenRiceARoni » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:35 am

It seems like Gordon/Ibaka would be a good pairing. Ibaka spaces the floor and you put Gordon in the PNR as an athletic rim roller.

Yeah you're a little small on the glass and defensively but that's an extremely athletic front line and you always have biyombo/ibaka against the truly large whiteside/drummond types.

But to answer the question yes this roster Is extremely flawed. Hennigan was really over thinking it. I mean I get not WANTING to give Oladipo $80m but to turn around and just light money on fire by giving it to borderline rotation players like Jeff green and Augustin isn't a viable alternative.

Anyway, some deadline deals are probably necessary. I don't see the magic making the playoffs if they stand pat.

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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#22 » by Mc-o » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:10 pm

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Skin wrote:Too much youth and cap flexibility to be a flawed team. When those 2 things are maxed out and we are in the same position, then we will be flawed. But right now we are simply a young developing team in transition under a new head coach.

You guys are evaluating us as a finished product. Why?

I agree we have room to make some changes but we are really not that young of a team , we are middle of the league when it comes to age of our players. If we resign Ibaka to the max , we really don't have much cap flexibility outside Meeks and greens contract coming off the books. These next 2 months are critical for our team , I hope heniggan proves me wrong

This team's rebuild has always been banked on our lottery picks and long term re-signings. Our main players are all youthful. ...and we aren't really middle of the pack. We're in the top 10 of the youngest teams. ie. There's a reason we chose a 23 year old Biyombo over 30 year old Noah.

We are 14th youngest roster in the NBA , not top ten . our actual young players do not have a big role on the team with the exception of good EP . i understand ur trying to stay positive but the reality is the team is really close to locking in a team that isnt very good with little upside . these next couple months are crucial and rob has this opppurtunity to really prove himself . lets see what happens
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#23 » by Mc-o » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:18 pm

GlenRiceARoni wrote:It seems like Gordon/Ibaka would be a good pairing. Ibaka spaces the floor and you put Gordon in the PNR as an athletic rim roller.

Yeah you're a little small on the glass and defensively but that's an extremely athletic front line and you always have biyombo/ibaka against the truly large whiteside/drummond types.

But to answer the question yes this roster Is extremely flawed. Hennigan was really over thinking it. I mean I get not WANTING to give Oladipo $80m but to turn around and just light money on fire by giving it to borderline rotation players like Jeff green and Augustin isn't a viable alternative.

Anyway, some deadline deals are probably necessary. I don't see the magic making the playoffs if they stand pat.

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I agree that ibaka gordon would be awesome but FRANK for some reason does not play gordon at the 4. To me thats the saddest part . we hav en t put gordon in a good spot to succeed . if the team is committed to ibaka long term i wonder what the plan with gordon is .
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#24 » by Mc-o » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:22 pm

magickingdom wrote:Not true. We beat some good teams on their home court and looked good doing it.

We have also been blown out at home by 30 poiints and looked terrible . we play the style of whatever team we are playing. The team is yet to have its own style of play which is a bigreason for thw inconsistency.
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#25 » by tiderulz » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:25 pm

GlenRiceARoni wrote:It seems like Gordon/Ibaka would be a good pairing. Ibaka spaces the floor and you put Gordon in the PNR as an athletic rim roller.

Yeah you're a little small on the glass and defensively but that's an extremely athletic front line and you always have biyombo/ibaka against the truly large whiteside/drummond types.

But to answer the question yes this roster Is extremely flawed. Hennigan was really over thinking it. I mean I get not WANTING to give Oladipo $80m but to turn around and just light money on fire by giving it to borderline rotation players like Jeff green and Augustin isn't a viable alternative.

Anyway, some deadline deals are probably necessary. I don't see the magic making the playoffs if they stand pat.

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we had to, the way we have handled players like Harris. Supposedly that is the word out and to get any decent FA's to consider Orlando, we now have to overpay them
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#26 » by fendilim » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:06 pm

It is.

We're now trying to compete so we dont really have a good chance to land a go-to scorer through the draft

We dont have assets that can command a good sum as well.

We're pretty much at a dead end. Rebuild or try and try to compete like the Hornets.
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#27 » by Optimus_Steel » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:15 pm

We can play defense for stretches. We can play offense for stretches. We cannot do them at the same time. That just shows that the team is lacking overall talent to do it consistently. We are lacking many things, the main thing is a reliable perimeter scoring threat.

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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#28 » by RickB-Orlando » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:51 pm

EAS Law wrote:We need one guy, that is even a fringe all star wing player that can draw a double and hit an open shot at a low 40% clip. That's all we need.


It's going to be a lot of fun watching this board implode when we wrap AG in a package for a starting 3.
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#29 » by Rumncoke25 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:29 am

Short answer- yes our team is the definition of flawed. Pieces that don't fit. Inconsistency in style of play. Inconsistency of message between front office and fans. No Bell cow to hang out hat on.

Every team looks good when shots drop, but averages with the Magic say shots won't fall. See above about pieces that don't fit. Getting this "one player" that makes everything click won't happen without either, 1 getting pieces in the draft or 2 giving up on players that some feel are the future.

For curiousity sake, for those against picking in the "alleged" star studded draft, who can be had that gives us our alpha without giving up Ag or Elf? Better phrasing, who do you feel a unsigned Ibaka, an unplayed Mario, and an unwanted Green is going to net us?
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#30 » by EAS Law » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:45 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
EAS Law wrote:We need one guy, that is even a fringe all star wing player that can draw a double and hit an open shot at a low 40% clip. That's all we need.


It's going to be a lot of fun watching this board implode when we wrap AG in a package for a starting 3.

I'd prefer if somehow that guy came from within our organization. Ultimately, it's about finding that talent, so if we had to trade a guy like AG, so be it.
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#31 » by MagicMadness » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:28 pm

The team is made up of mostly young role players, with no all-stars/superstars. Our record is really not all that bad when you consider the circumstances.

15 years after the fact, we finally have the team Tracy McGrady needed.
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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#32 » by cedric76 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:56 pm

MagicMadness wrote:The team is made up of mostly young role players, with no all-stars/superstars. Our record is really not all that bad when you consider the circumstances.

15 years after the fact, we finally have the team Tracy McGrady needed.


Tmac could have had it if he had stayed


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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#33 » by Max Power » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:08 am

Exactly. Tracy would have had Dwight, Jameer and Hedo Turkoglu the next season.


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Re: Is this team really that flawed? 

Post#34 » by magickingdom » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:10 am

I don't believe that this team is as flawed as some of you want to make it sound.
I believe that it just needs time together to play and grow.
Yes we need an offensive player, but we also need time to learn to play together.
Most of these good teams that we are playing against, most of the top teams have been together more then 1/3 of a season.
When the Heat got their big 3, they lost the first 10 games and it took them till later in the season until it all came together.
So without a superstar and a young team learning to all play together, I think it's just going to take some time together.
I mean come on, you can look at anything from a negative view point, but we can also look at it from the positive.
This team is pretty versatile, where we even have bigs that can defend 2 and 3s.
I could go on and I'm sure someone will come back and give us all the negatives.
I'm just saying that we have some talent and it's going to take some time for them to play together as well as some of the better teams do.
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