2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Wraps_fan]

It would be more of a joke if a guy on a 6th/7th seed won MVP. Especially since they're worse than so many people thought they would be

While I do somewhat agree, and if I'm not mistaken there's only been like 1 or 2 times in NBA history where a player on an under #4 seed team won the MVP, but at the same time, the guy is averaging a triple double which hasn't been seen since the early 60s, and it makes for a good story since it's the first year of having no Kevin Durant.

This would be an acceptable time for a player on a 6/7 seed to win MVP, just because of the numbers he's putting up combined with the fact he's carrying a team without a ton of talent and after a top 3 player left them

EDIT: Oh, and I also disagree that they are worse than people thought they would be. Everyone I know was having them finishing in that 6-8 seed range with a record around 48-34.

Once with Moses Malone. There are so many other guys doing insane things on better teams but because they don't hit the arbitrary number of 10 on assists or rebounds what they are doing isn't as impressive for some reason

You don't have to tell me twice, I know triple doubles are a dumb way to evaluate players, but you just can't deny it's historic significance if he pulls it off, plus, the MVP voters really like that kind of stuff.

Who would your pick for MVP be?

[K_chile22]

While I do somewhat agree, and if I'm not mistaken there's only been like 1 or 2 times in NBA history where a player on an under #4 seed team won the MVP, but at the same time, the guy is averaging a triple double which hasn't been seen since the early 60s, and it makes for a good story since it's the first year of having no Kevin Durant.

This would be an acceptable time for a player on a 6/7 seed to win MVP, just because of the numbers he's putting up combined with the fact he's carrying a team without a ton of talent and after a top 3 player left them

EDIT: Oh, and I also disagree that they are worse than people thought they would be. Everyone I know was having them finishing in that 6-8 seed range with a record around 48-34.

Once with Moses Malone. There are so many other guys doing insane things on better teams but because they don't hit the arbitrary number of 10 on assists or rebounds what they are doing isn't as impressive for some reason

You don't have to tell me twice, I know triple doubles are a dumb way to evaluate players, but you just can't deny it's historic significance if he pulls it off, plus, the MVP voters really like that kind of stuff.

Who would your pick for MVP be?

KD or Harden, if they get the 3rd seed.

[rich316]

I'm sorry, right or wrong KD has no shot at the MVP. He just doesn't, and I don't think he should either. We have seen many times that year-to-year changes in team record matter a lot in MVP voting when a player is added to a team, and the Warriors are going to have a worse record after adding KD. He has no chance. You just have to watch a single Warriors game to see that his efficiency and stats are as much a product of the system and players around him as it is his individual brilliance. It's Harden, then Westbrook/Lebron/Kawhi/CP3 in some order, depending on your criteria and preferences.

[jaybiddyforeal]

Any chance Kyle Lowry gets into the conversation if he ends the season with 24/7.5/5/2 stl on 63.5 ts% and the Raptors win 60+ games and overtake the Cavs for 1st in the East? Overall, it is very similar to Curry's MVP line last year.

All I'm doing is giving him 2 more PPG then his current line and expecting sustainability across the board.

Would that scenario put him in the top 3? Top 5?

Or are the Harden/Westbrook box scores just too over the top for anyone else to even have a chance?

[nbafan38]

Forget all this Durant talk - that dude will be totally blackballed like Lebron was in 2011 by most voters.
It's Harden just ahead of Lebron at this stage with Westbrook a chance if they can get enough wins.
Overall there are a few others having seasons that would normally put them in the MVP mix - but this season has so many top performers - the winner will need a lot going for them.

I will never forget him talking **** about players running off to LA and Miami to make superteams, all that bull about being organic, blah blah blah, biggest hypocrite. Atleast Lebron didn't have a chance in hell with the team they gave him in Cleveland, so going to Miami was finally an opportunity, meanwhile, Durant was on a contender, and he actually played with a teammate at his par skillwise! Ofcourse the he goes to a 73 win team then..

yea no player who joins a 73 win team should have a chance at the mvp imo, he's already going to get cheap rings, doesn't need cheap MVPS, warriors would be the best team in the nba with or without Durant and certainly playing in the GSW system helps Durants game. Give it to the guys who really make their teams go, I have so much respect for what Harden and Westbrook are doing right now.

[baldur]

Any chance Kyle Lowry gets into the conversation if he ends the season with 24/7.5/5/2 stl on 63.5 ts% and the Raptors win 60+ games and overtake the Cavs for 1st in the East? Overall, it is very similar to Curry's MVP line last year.

All I'm doing is giving him 2 more PPG then his current line and expecting sustainability across the board.

Would that scenario put him in the top 3? Top 5?

Or are the Harden/Westbrook box scores just too over the top for anyone else to even have a chance?

Similar or better stats will belong to durant, kawhi and LeBron possibly with a better team record. Not to mention harden and westbrook's numbers and impact on their team success are greater. He most likely wouldn't be in top 5 as far as I'm concerned.

[AussieBuck]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

[qianlong]

Crazy to think that Durant, Harden and Westbrook were all on the same team.

[Heej]

LeBron top 1

[Run DLC]

I really hope LeBron win his fifth MVP. This is his last chance to get it done, but he's not even trying anymore. He's just locked in and ready for the real season(playoffs).

[QPR]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

I hope this is just a general top five and not actually in order. Giannis has been amazing but there is no argument for him being over Harden and Westbrook at all.

[K_chile22]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

I hope this is just a general top five and not actually in order. Giannis has been amazing but there is no argument for him being over Harden and Westbrook at all.

I assumed it was counting down 5-1 lol

[baldur]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

I hope this is just a general top five and not actually in order. Giannis has been amazing but there is no argument for him being over Harden and Westbrook at all.

But lowry being there is OK to you?

[QPR]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

I hope this is just a general top five and not actually in order. Giannis has been amazing but there is no argument for him being over Harden and Westbrook at all.

But lowry being there is OK to you?

I'd have him around the 5-8 mark, given the Raps are probably going to be a 2-seed at worst and will push 60 wins, and he is clearly the heart and soul of that team. The Bucks are a .500 outfit.

[AussieBuck]

Lebron
Lowry
Giannis
Harden
Westbrook

I hope this is just a general top five and not actually in order. Giannis has been amazing but there is no argument for him being over Harden and Westbrook at all.

Eh, I don't really follow the silly rules. Lebron and Lowry are running teams that would be borderline playoffs without them, Harden doesn't have a super strong team but it's perfectly catered to him and he's doing a great job. Westbrook's like Giannis is doing a hell of a one man team, more load on offense, much less on D. Giannis is a top 3 defender while putting up about 24 points and 6 assists at over 60TS% so yeah and his team is much better than OKC by SRS so I don't see a reason to have one guy in the runners up list and not the other.

[ThomYorke]

No way that it is anyone other than Westbrook right now.

He is the media's darling, Doris Burke couldn't go 2 minutes without talking about how great he was today

[Ballerhogger]

It got lebron , westbrook and Harden as current favorites. Harden is starting to slip a little bit

[Ballerhogger]

Durant is creeping up .

[Bergmaniac]

Giannis should definitely be in the discussion IMO. Yes, his offensive stats aren't as eye-popping as Harden's or Westbrook's, but defensively his value and impact are way higher. And his team goes from being very good on both ends when he's on the court to pretty bad on both ends when he's on the bench.

[nbafan38]

Giannis should definitely be in the discussion IMO. Yes, his offensive stats aren't as eye-popping as Harden's or Westbrook's, but defensively his value and impact are way higher. And his team goes from being very good on both ends when he's on the court to pretty bad on both ends when he's on the bench.

I'll admit I haven't followed him as much as Harden or Westbrook but would think the bucks would have to be finish top 2 or 3 in the east for him to get real consideration.