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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1141 » by Jay10 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:29 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:Man, I really hope someone desperate will throw ridiculous contract on Rose so we wouldn't even need to sweat it..

Some garbage team who needs someone with a name..

There will be like 7-8 better PG`s on the market..


Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1142 » by Jay10 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:44 pm

Phil is going to re-sign Derrick. There is no way he lets a player that is averaging close to 20 points a game leave.

In today's NBA, the back court is the main position getting the points. This means you're going to need someone in your backcourt[Rose], who is going to force the opposing team's backcourt to defend.

Unless you are okay with a player like brandon jennings, jose calderon, etc. who allow the opponent's backcourt to get a breather on the defensive end, because they aren't viewed as being offensive threats.

I think Phil's plan was for Derrick($21M) and Brandon($5M) to be here only for the 2016-2017 season, then sign Westbrook as a free agent, but Westbrook deciding to extend with OKC now makes Rose the permanent choice.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1143 » by camillepd » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:18 pm

Yeah, I think rose stays. The problem is that courtney lee doesn't score enough. We need more offense from the 2 spot.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1144 » by blueNorange » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:16 pm

ciregno wrote:
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bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
LOL...

Rose was one of the main reasons we were even still in the game. We would've gotten blown out had it not been for his play.

lol

8 team assists and the starting pout guard only had 3 because he barely tried running plays for his teammates

he was then main reason why there was zero ball movement.


I see where you're coming from to an extent, but just for discussion sake bNo, would you rather have Rose/Jennings or Calderon/Grant?

neither, actually i'd take ennings as a backup and someone good starting.

in fact i'd spend money to steal patty mills from the spurs and re-sign ennings. you have the best of both worlds. mills thrives in an offense with set plays, and ennings thrives in the open court.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1145 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:21 pm

blueNorange wrote:
ciregno wrote:
blueNorange wrote:lol

8 team assists and the starting pout guard only had 3 because he barely tried running plays for his teammates

he was then main reason why there was zero ball movement.


I see where you're coming from to an extent, but just for discussion sake bNo, would you rather have Rose/Jennings or Calderon/Grant?

neither, actually i'd take ennings as a backup and someone good starting.

in fact i'd spend money to steal patty mills from the spurs and re-sign ennings. you have the best of both worlds. mills thrives in an offense with set plays, and ennings thrives in the open court.


So you'd sign a career back up PG that's not a constant threat on offense? Might as well get Calderon again.
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Post#1146 » by misterfrazier10 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:22 pm

Jay10 wrote:Phil is going to re-sign Derrick. There is no way he lets a player that is averaging close to 20 points a game leave.

In today's NBA, the back court is the main position getting the points. This means you're going to need someone in your backcourt[Rose], who is going to force the opposing team's backcourt to defend.

Unless you are okay with a player like brandon jennings, jose calderon, etc. who allow the opponent's backcourt to get a breather on the defensive end, because they aren't viewed as being offensive threats.

I think Phil's plan was for Derrick($21M) and Brandon($5M) to be here only for the 2016-2017 season, then sign Westbrook as a free agent, but Westbrook deciding to extend with OKC now makes Rose the permanent choice.


What about drafting a point guard?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1147 » by blueNorange » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:24 pm

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
ciregno wrote:
I see where you're coming from to an extent, but just for discussion sake bNo, would you rather have Rose/Jennings or Calderon/Grant?

neither, actually i'd take ennings as a backup and someone good starting.

in fact i'd spend money to steal patty mills from the spurs and re-sign ennings. you have the best of both worlds. mills thrives in an offense with set plays, and ennings thrives in the open court.


So you'd sign a career back up PG that's not a constant threat on offense? Might as well get Calderon again.

a career backup to a HOF pg tony parker, and a guy who poppovich trusts.

btw mills is 10th in the nba among point guards in real plus minus, derrick rose is 43rd.

rose only has scoring on mills, every other aspect of a pg's job belongs to mills.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1148 » by ChaosHamster » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:12 am

Jay10 wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:Man, I really hope someone desperate will throw ridiculous contract on Rose so we wouldn't even need to sweat it..

Some garbage team who needs someone with a name..

There will be like 7-8 better PG`s on the market..


Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


Paul, Curry, Lowry, Holiday, Teague, Hill, Mills

+ Teodosic from Europe.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1149 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:25 am

blueNorange wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:neither, actually i'd take ennings as a backup and someone good starting.

in fact i'd spend money to steal patty mills from the spurs and re-sign ennings. you have the best of both worlds. mills thrives in an offense with set plays, and ennings thrives in the open court.


So you'd sign a career back up PG that's not a constant threat on offense? Might as well get Calderon again.

a career backup to a HOF pg tony parker, and a guy who poppovich trusts.

btw mills is 10th in the nba among point guards in real plus minus, derrick rose is 43rd.

rose only has scoring on mills, every other aspect of a pg's job belongs to mills.


Tony Parker is well past his prime right now and has been for the past few seasons. Yet he's still playing back up to him.

And what exactly does that do for a team that desperately needs a player to penetrate rather than one who's game revolves around the perimeter? He's also never played heavy minutes consistently, so how exactly would he make us better if he were a starter? Again, Mills would not make us better at all.
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Post#1150 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:37 am

43rd?

He was sixty something two weeks ago and close to last three weeks before that. He ain't his MVP self but he's been pretty effective lately and it's showing up in the stats.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1151 » by rizkid92 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:32 am

Patty Mills? I understand Rose is not a true point guard, but lmao... gtfo.

Why get rid of a point guard thats actually producing well for us? I feel like everyone already already forgot how bad our previous point guards were. There are no better options this offseason, and we most likely won't be drafting high enough to get a difference making PG.
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Post#1152 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:59 am

Jay10 wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:Man, I really hope someone desperate will throw ridiculous contract on Rose so we wouldn't even need to sweat it..

Some garbage team who needs someone with a name..

There will be like 7-8 better PG`s on the market..


Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


There is definitely such a thing as a PG in today's NBA.



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Post#1153 » by Jay10 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:13 am

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Jay10 wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:Man, I really hope someone desperate will throw ridiculous contract on Rose so we wouldn't even need to sweat it..

Some garbage team who needs someone with a name..

There will be like 7-8 better PG`s on the market..


Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


There is definitely such a thing as a PG in today's NBA.



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Point him or them out, and i'll show you a scoring guard[points > assists].

Rondo is the only true point guard in the league, and that's because he can't shoot to save his life. All other true point guards are coming off the bench.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1154 » by Jay10 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:19 am

ChaosHamster wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:Man, I really hope someone desperate will throw ridiculous contract on Rose so we wouldn't even need to sweat it..

Some garbage team who needs someone with a name..

There will be like 7-8 better PG`s on the market..


Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


Paul, Curry, Lowry, Holiday, Teague, Hill, Mills

+ Teodosic from Europe.


Paul
Curry
Lowry [maybe]

Rose is better than every other player available at that position this summer.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1155 » by blanko » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:25 am

Heck I would even offer rose+ second rounder/lottery protected first for dragic


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Post#1156 » by DOT » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:19 pm

blanko wrote:Heck I would even offer rose+ second rounder/lottery protected first for dragic


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And then Riley would never pick up the phone again if he saw it was you. That deal is completely laughable
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Post#1157 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:02 pm

Jay10 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


There is definitely such a thing as a PG in today's NBA.



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Point him or them out, and i'll show you a scoring guard[points > assists].

Rondo is the only true point guard in the league, and that's because he can't shoot to save his life. All other true point guards are coming off the bench.

So your definition of a scoring guard is someone who scores more than assists. What a narrow minded and wrong definition.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1158 » by blanko » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:31 pm

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blanko wrote:Heck I would even offer rose+ second rounder/lottery protected first for dragic


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And then Riley would never pick up the phone again if he saw it was you. That deal is completely laughable


Well let's talk about it then. I think the heat need cap relief because of the chris bosh situation, they need to tank because they have their own draft pick this year. Also the poison pill in Tyler Johnson's contact will kick in after next season.


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Post#1159 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:37 pm

Jay10 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Would you mind naming these 7-8 point guards?

Also, there is no such thing as a point guard in the current NBA.


There is definitely such a thing as a PG in today's NBA.



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Point him or them out, and i'll show you a scoring guard[points > assists].

Rondo is the only true point guard in the league, and that's because he can't shoot to save his life. All other true point guards are coming off the bench.

Wait, are you saying that in order to be a true PG, you have to average more assists than points?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#1160 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:40 pm

Hahah somebody actually put a maybe next to Lowry's name. Watch Lowry play and watch Rose play... it's not close on who is better. Then take a look at the numbers.... And this is coming from someone who likes Rose and is in support of signing him over most other-case scenarios.

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