Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

Post #161 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:52 am

We could trade Knight/Bender and our own 2017 pick for Butler and then trade Warren/Tucker/Chriss/Jenkins & 2021 Miami pick for Demarcus Cousins. Both trades work in trade machine and with both trades would increase our win total by 20 wins.
We'd then have...
Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/LB
Butler/Dudley
Cousins/Williams
Chandler/Len

Kings would likely waive or buyout Tucker and we could bring him back for vets minimum and then give him a contract over the offseason if we'd like. Regardless our bench would be very thin with no real fire power. On the flipside, we'd have 4 20 point scorers in the starting lineup, 2 very good perimeter defenders in Bledsoe/Butler. It's possible we'd be a top 3 team in the West right there with the Warriors/Spurs but that is if everyone is healthy.

*edit* we could also add Sixers to the trade with Kings and give the Sixers Chriss and Kings would get Okafor. I think Chriss would be a better fit with Embiid then Okafor/Noel.

DaleyBlind · Post #162 » by **DaleyBlind** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:08 am

Bledsoe/Bender/Len 17 1st/19 1st for Cousins/Casspi
Knight/Chriss/Warren/18 Heat/21 Heat for Butler

Those would be my offers. Its guts out youth/future picks/depth but its get us two superstars and Booker

Post #163 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:27 am

DaleyBlind wrote:Bledsoe/Bender/Len 17 1st/19 1st for Cousins/Casspi
Knight/Chriss/Warren/18 Heat/21 Heat for Butler

Those would be my offers. Its guts out youth/future picks/depth but its get us two superstars and Booker

Trading Bledsoe wouldn't make sense though for either team. First off, we'd like to pair up Bledsoe with Cousins. Secondly, the Kings wouldn't want Bledsoe if they were trading Cousins, it would be counter productive in getting a top pick IMO.
Trading Warren along with Chriss (top 8 pick) plus the two Heat pick is a slight overpay. Warren was putting up solid numbers before his injuries and is continually showing improvement every season.

DaleyBlind · Post #164 » by **DaleyBlind** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:35 am

Qwigglez wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:Bledsoe/Bender/Len 17 1st/19 1st for Cousins/Casspi
Knight/Chriss/Warren/18 Heat/21 Heat for Butler

Those would be my offers. Its guts out youth/future picks/depth but its get us two superstars and Booker

Trading Bledsoe wouldn't make sense though for either team. First off, we'd like to pair up Bledsoe with Cousins. Secondly, the Kings wouldn't want Bledsoe if they were trading Cousins, it would be counter productive in getting a top pick IMO.
Trading Warren along with Chriss (top 8 pick) plus the two Heat pick is a slight overpay. Warren was putting up solid numbers before his injuries and is continually showing improvement every season.

The trade would go down draft night, so Bledsoe going their would have zero effect on the pick status.
You may think its a slight overpay, King fans will tell you different. They probably would not even accept the deal.
Sure id love to keep Bledsoe and pair him up with the others as well, but we have to give to get.

AtheJ415 · Post #165 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:50 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:I wouldn't trade for Butler. With GS dominating the West for at least the next 2 years what are we realistically going to accomplish with him? He's 27, so we're talking about contending when he's 29. That isn't awful, but I would rather keep the youngsters and go for a longer term window than trade for a really good player who is borderline for us age-wise and who we likely aren't contenders with anyways.

We could then trade Knight/Bender and our 17 pick/19 1st on draft night for Cousins

Bledsoe/Ullis
Booker/Barbosa
Butler/????
Cousins/????
Chandler/Len

That would be a fun team to watch

That team isn't a contender and will age. Fun, sure, but not a better bet than continuing to bet on our ability to draft and to build the team around that ability.

nevetsov · Post #166 » by **nevetsov** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:46 am

Saberestar wrote:I don't know if this has been commented before but Gambo said a few days ago that the Suns don't like anyone on the Kings roster (anyone including Cousins because he is a headcase) and Knight is not gonna be traded there if not a third team is involved.

Can't they trade their pick? I'd be fine with top 10 protection on it, or similar to what the Wizards pick was.

Koufos, Collison and a protected 1st. Koufos can be Len's backup after we flip Chandler. Collison can be 3rd PG.

Chandler and Tucker for Crabbe, it's not like we can't afford him.

Bledsoe, Ulis, Collison
Booker, Crabbe, Barbosa
Warren, Jones Jr, Jenkins
Bender, Chriss, Dudley
Len, Koufos, Williams

Villalobos · Post #167 » by **Villalobos** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:10 am

nevetsov wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I don't know if this has been commented before but Gambo said a few days ago that the Suns don't like anyone on the Kings roster (anyone including Cousins because he is a headcase) and Knight is not gonna be traded there if not a third team is involved.

Can't they trade their pick? I'd be fine with top 10 protection on it, or similar to what the Wizards pick was.

Koufos, Collison and a protected 1st. Koufos can be Len's backup after we flip Chandler. Collison can be 3rd PG.

Chandler and Tucker for Crabbe, it's not like we can't afford him.

Bledsoe, Ulis, Collison
Booker, Crabbe, Barbosa
Warren, Jones Jr, Jenkins
Bender, Chriss, Dudley
Len, Koufos, Williams

They owe their pick to Chicago, it's protected top 10 or something like that. And then Philly owns a pick or two of theirs after that.

nevetsov · Post #168 » by **nevetsov** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:12 am

^ Unleash the son of Bogdan then!

I'd be happy with him as a backup wing, if he dropped the attitude and came to play. I know the FO hate him, though.

AtheJ415 · Post #169 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:16 am

nevetsov wrote:^ Unleash the son of Bogdan then!

Seriously, can we trade for Bogdan back? I'd love that. Knight for Bogdan.

nevetsov · Post #170 » by **nevetsov** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:20 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
nevetsov wrote:^ Unleash the son of Bogdan then!

Seriously, can we trade for Bogdan back? I'd love that. Knight for Bogdan.

Hilarious that we could have flipped him on draft day for Chriss, but I bet we figured he'd have more value. And Bogdan didn't want to come over and get no PT at our already crowded wing spots.

Bender probably wishes he was that smart.

LukasBMW · Post #171 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:38 am

At this point, I'd rather play Ulis/Bender/Chriss 20-30 minutes a game and see how fast they develop.

We may not have to trade for a 4 if Bender and Chriss keep improving.

Embrace the tank. Embrace the process.

I'm ready to sell high on Bledsoe and then sell high on Knight.

Or core is

TJ/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Ulis - rookie contract future ballers
Barbosa/Dudley/Chander - Sweaky clean vets with fatty contracts to mentor our teens.

-Don't want to overpay for Len.
-Tucker works hard, but maybe it's time for him to go to a contender and be rewarded for his hard work.

DaleyBlind · Post #172 » by **DaleyBlind** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:44 am

LukasBMW wrote:At this point, I'd rather play Ulis/Bender/Chriss 20-30 minutes a game and see how fast they develop.

We may not have to trade for a 4 if Bender and Chriss keep improving.

Embrace the tank. Embrace the process.

I'm ready to sell high on Bledsoe and then sell high on Knight.

Or core is

TJ/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Ulis - rookie contract future ballers
Barbosa/Dudley/Chander - Sweaky clean vets with fatty contracts to mentor our teens.

-Don't want to overpay for Len.
-Tucker works hard, but maybe it's time for him to go to a contender and be rewarded for his hard work.

Id rather pay Len 15 mill a year than pay Chandler 13 mill a year. Len is only going to get better, while Chandler is only going to get alot worse. No brainer for me. Trade Chandler Keep Len.

nevetsov · Post #173 » by **nevetsov** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:55 am

Len will get closer to 20 than 15.

DaleyBlind · Post #174 » by **DaleyBlind** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:03 am

nevetsov wrote:Len will get closer to 20 than 15.

even so id rather pay Len than Chandler

Post #175 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:09 am

batsmasher wrote:Standings

How it works

I gotta say, looking at the the standings on that google doc and all the tabs, it is very impressive and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

TeamTragic · Post #176 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:29 am

DaleyBlind wrote:Bledsoe/Bender/Len 17 1st/19 1st for Cousins/Casspi
Knight/Chriss/Warren/18 Heat/21 Heat for Butler

Those would be my offers. Its guts out youth/future picks/depth but its get us two superstars and Booker

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Jdiddy701 · Post #177 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:37 am

Has anybody brought up the Suns going after Derrick Favors? I can see this.

Again, I'm not good at trade machine but would love him here. Just don't know what it'll take.

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Post #178 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:03 am

Is there a trade where we can get Anthony Davis? Give our 2017/2019 picks unprotected, 2 Miami picks, Warren/Chriss? Is that enough. Throw Knight to a 3rd team for salary dump plus pick going toward Pelicans side.

Could have...
Bledsoe/Booker/Bender/Davis/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Dudley/Tucker/Len

asudevil · Post #179 » by **asudevil** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:12 am

Qwigglez wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:Bledsoe/Bender/Len 17 1st/19 1st for Cousins/Casspi
Knight/Chriss/Warren/18 Heat/21 Heat for Butler

Those would be my offers. Its guts out youth/future picks/depth but its get us two superstars and Booker

Trading Bledsoe wouldn't make sense though for either team. First off, we'd like to pair up Bledsoe with Cousins. Secondly, the Kings wouldn't want Bledsoe if they were trading Cousins, it would be counter productive in getting a top pick IMO.
Trading Warren along with Chriss (top 8 pick) plus the two Heat pick is a slight overpay. Warren was putting up solid numbers before his injuries and is continually showing improvement every season.

Mostly agreed. But the biggest thing for me is that this would be the suns giving up the farm for 2 players, and essentially very little to work with around them. There is no way any logical GM would GUT their team for 2 players, when one of them is a FA after next season. If we are SERIOUSLY talking about trading for Cousins/Butler, this would be the MAX i'd be willing to offer.

Knight/Chriss/Len/2 Firsts for Cousins/Koufus

Clears the part of the logjam at C for the Kings and gives them 2 young frontcourt pieces to build with. They would then have a nice draft pick in a great PG heavy draft.

Warren/Chandler/2 Firsts for Butler

Bulls need another C. Chandler provides solid support for them. And as much as people think his contract sucks, he's been SOLID in everything that he's been asked to do for us, and has shown no signs of slowing down.

Cousins/Koufus
Bender/Dudley
Butler/Tucker
Booker/Barbosa
Bledsoe/Ulis

King4Day · Post #180 » by **King4Day** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:43 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Is there a trade where we can get Anthony Davis? Give our 2017/2019 picks unprotected, 2 Miami picks, Warren/Chriss? Is that enough. Throw Knight to a 3rd team for salary dump plus pick going toward Pelicans side.

Could have...
Bledsoe/Booker/Bender/Davis/Chandler
Ulis/LB/Dudley/Tucker/Len

If he were in a contact year and said there's no chance he's resigning with the Pels, then perhaps.
I see no way that any player in the league can net a team Anthony Davis currently

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