Official Thread -- Wiz vs Bucks (12/26/16)

[80sballboy]

Glad we won. Starters were great... bench really needs to be...amended... I hope Brooks decides to change up stuff next game :/

Bench needs to get blown up. Sure, I would play Smith a little more in the second half but should Brooks go back to McClellan again? Burke at the 2 instead of the 1? Non-shooting Sato at the 1? Thornton never playing again unless he has to? We needed this game and unfortunately, Brooks had to overplay the starters to win.

Agreed he did NEED this game, but at least for the Pacers I don't see why he doesn't try changing it up. What is there to lose? Play Tomas and Sheldon. Thornton's sneaky putbacks help at times so he might as well leave him part of the rotation here and there. Perhaps playing at home for the next two games can instill some confidence in their games? I just don't know how it could get much worse from a production standpoint with Tomas and Sheldon... The alternative is to keep on keepin on with WTF and OMG.

I'm ok with Sheldon and Sato but who is going to score in that duo. That's why think Burke is ok at the 2 but you should never have him handle the ball. But if you are Brooks, you are saying to yourself, should I start two shi-tty tall guys in the backcourt or two shi-tty small and slow guys? Not much of an option. He obviously has no patience for young guys like Sheldon and Oubre, who are consistently making mistakes on D. The only way they can get better is through experience.

[JWizmentality]

Its interesting to see how when the wiz play like this they can beat a decent team. Gortat scoring against atheltic big men is a issue...

Gortat just scoring is an issue. Unless he's spoon fed by Wall and wide open (and even then he misses bunnies), he's pretty much useless. His numbers are so inflated. If contested at the rim, he misses or gets blocked easily. On defense, he can't jump or protect the rim. God, that Spurs game when Patty Mills out jumped him for a rebound when we were down by 1 still irritates me. We can't go forward with him as our starting C. Not counting on Ian Mykneemi either.

[Meliorus]

Its interesting to see how when the wiz play like this they can beat a decent team. Gortat scoring against atheltic big men is a issue...

Gortat just scoring is an issue. Unless he's spoon fed by Wall and wide open (and even then he misses bunnies), he's pretty much useless. His numbers are so inflated. If contested at the rim, he misses or gets blocked easily. On defense, he can't jump or protect the rim. God, that Spurs game when Patty Mills out jumped him for a rebound when we were down by 1 still irritates me. We can't go forward with him as our starting C. Not counting on Ian Mykneemi either.

Everyone knows Gortat is not the long-term solution. He's freakin 32 turning 33 later this season

[nuposse04]

Bench needs to get blown up. Sure, I would play Smith a little more in the second half but should Brooks go back to McClellan again? Burke at the 2 instead of the 1? Non-shooting Sato at the 1? Thornton never playing again unless he has to? We needed this game and unfortunately, Brooks had to overplay the starters to win.

Agreed he did NEED this game, but at least for the Pacers I don't see why he doesn't try changing it up. What is there to lose? Play Tomas and Sheldon. Thornton's sneaky putbacks help at times so he might as well leave him part of the rotation here and there. Perhaps playing at home for the next two games can instill some confidence in their games? I just don't know how it could get much worse from a production standpoint with Tomas and Sheldon... The alternative is to keep on keepin on with WTF and OMG.

I'm ok with Sheldon and Sato but who is going to score in that duo. That's why think Burke is ok at the 2 but you should never have him handle the ball. But if you are Brooks, you are saying to yourself, should I start two shi-tty tall guys in the backcourt or two shi-tty small and slow guys? Not much of an option. He obviously has no patience for young guys like Sheldon and Oubre, who are consistently making mistakes on D. The only way they can get better is through experience.

I agree with the latter of your post. Sheldon and Oubre are making some mistakes on defense, mainly on rotations. I do think they are both fine on ball defenders with the exception of Oubre fouling a bit too much :/ Experience is the only way they will learn. Same with Sato...I'm fine with them cutting Burke tomorrow and signing the best D-Leaguer quite frankly. I know they won't... but one can dream....

[NatP4]

I'd play Satoransky McClellan Oubre

Thornton shouldn't be playing. Burke at the 2 is even better. Sato needs more opportunities, player development coach my ass

[pineappleheadindc]

Add I type this, the poll shows six votes for the Bucks and only one for the Wiz.

Why are all of you publicly discounting the Pine good luck factor? I'm gonna bring all my good juju to the Verizon Center tonight

Wiz win! Bank on it. I'm as certain as a Ji weather forecast.

Ahem

[nate33]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

[queridiculo]

Ernie basically had one job in the offseason, add depth, and had damn near $40 million available to get it done.

The result, the Wizards have the worst bench in the NBA.

With even a halfway decent bench this team would probably be somewhere around third seed right now.

Instead the Wizards have to play their starters 40 minutes a night and pray that somehow the bench manages to put together a double digit performance.

Ernie could have basked in the glory of a terrible Eastern Conference but he predictably shat the bed again.

[AFM]

100 million out of the workforce
Ernest Grundle employed

Someone please explain

[NatP4]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

We were a play or two away from the ECF back to back years as a 5th seed. John Wall is 26, some late lottery pick 19 year old isn't helping this team, they hardly even play Oubre or Satoransky.

[DCZards]

Most fun game I've seen in person in a while. My daughter and nieces have lost their voices. Screaming.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought the LAC game was the most fun...but this one was better with the Zards coming from 10 pts. down in the 4th quarter. Bigger crowd than I expected--surely because of the holiday season. The chants of D-E-F-E-N-S-E were as loud as I've heard all season.

And the fans got a free Chik-Fil-A sandwich for their efforts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

We were a play or two away from the ECF back to back years as a 5th seed. John Wall is 26, some late lottery pick 19 year old isn't helping this team, they hardly even play Oubre or Satoransky.

The tenth or so pick in this draft may be used to select one of several players better than Oubre or Satoransky.

Jason Hart immediately comes to mind.

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[tontoz]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

We were a play or two away from the ECF back to back years as a 5th seed. John Wall is 26, some late lottery pick 19 year old isn't helping this team, they hardly even play Oubre or Satoransky.

Was that the year that Bosh, Rose and George were all out for the season with injuries?

[nate33]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

We were a play or two away from the ECF back to back years as a 5th seed. John Wall is 26, some late lottery pick 19 year old isn't helping this team, they hardly even play Oubre or Satoransky.

A mid round 1st round pick, used as a trade chip (and packaged with one of our many horrible filler contracts), is likely to only bring us back a young bench player, or a below average starter who is at or past his peak. But if we wait and use the pick ourselves in the draft, particularly this draft, there's a real chance of finding an above-average starter, or perhaps even a superstar.

A mediocre team like us should never trade a high risk/high reward asset like a good draft pick in favor of the certainty of mediocrity. Don't worry about Wall. I'm sure he's happier that we landed a guy like Oubre two years ago, instead of trading that pick for a guy like Luol Deng.

The only way I'd consider trading the pick is if we found a team in desperation mode - either because a good player was threatening to leave via free agency (Ibaka) or an exceptional player with a bad attitude just took things too far (Cousins).

[Kanyewest]

Gortat 42 minutes
Wall 42 minutes
Porter 41 minutes

Interesting. Maybe Brooks should start playing the starting 5 48 minutes to send a message to the FO.

I would just say players logging heavy minutes against the Bucks isn't unique. LeBron played 47 minutes and Irving played 45 minutes in an OT win.

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[FAH1223]

Otto needs more shots. He's been very efficient all year.

[pcbothwel]

Ernie needs to make some moves, we should be buyers in the east this season with how good wall Beal and Porter are.

Would you stop with this?

We aren't even a playoff seed yet. Being a "buyer" this season means trading a 1st round pick in order to creep up into the 5-7 seed. Big whoop.

We were a play or two away from the ECF back to back years as a 5th seed. John Wall is 26, some late lottery pick 19 year old isn't helping this team, they hardly even play Oubre or Satoransky.

Nat, I hear your argument, but there are a few examples of late lotto picks becoming solid starters/rotational pieces on good teams within two years. The Pacers had PG13 an no other building block, but then took a 19 y/o with the 11th pick in 2015 who then allowed them to let Mahinmi walk after one year and appears to be on his way to being a top 3-5 player at his position before he turns 22.

I love Beal, but Zach Lavine is having an even better year so far and was drafted #13 in the 2014 draft. He actually looks like a better prospect than Wiggins who was the unquestioned #1 pick that year

Steve Adams was a raw 20 y/o picked by a top 3 team in basketball at #13. He played 15 MPG his rookie year and 25 MPG his 2nd year... Same with Olynyk
Schroder played 20 mpg for a 60 win Hawks team in his 2nd year.

I'm not disagreeing that we should at least shop our pick around and see if any teams view it with top 10 potential, but I think we are a month too late for that and GM's fully expect our pick to be 16-21. For that, I'd rather hope for Leaf, Hartenstein, Rabb, Ferguson, Jeanne, etc.