The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[Valid]

Why trade Jae and AB when we could just get Blake in the off season if he really wants to be here? I have my doubts he wants to leave LA and I doubt Doc will trade him if that's the case.

Edit: I know it's to try and get Hayward in the offseason, but you are relying on a lot of things to fall into place for all of that to work and Brown isn't ready to start on this team just yet.

There is no assurance you could get him in the offseason. It's a lot easier to convince a guy to stay than to come here. And Blake is just on a whole different level than those two.

AB and Jae are great role players, and if you can consolidate them for a star you have to do it.

Here's my question, though: do you want to trade a substantial package for a guy who doesn't play defense, can't stay healthy and appears to be declining?

Don't get me wrong: I'd love to have Griffin on this team. The dude is very, very good. I'm just not sure I'm amenable to surrendering that much for him in a trade.

I'd rather just try our luck with him in the offseason, and if we miss, then hey; at least we still have the two Brooklyn picks and a nice stable of young talent to utilize elsewhere.

[Curmudgeon]

Trading for either Griffin or Hayward now makes no sense unless the player will agree to an extension as part of the deal. No point in giving up substantial assets for a rental.

[Shamrock]

We would have to be nuts to consider trading either of those BKN picks for anything less than a bonafide #1 option superstar. If we want Hayward so bad let it play out in the off-season with Brad heading the recruiting pitch. Hayward has to know that his team is going to get steam-rolled by GSW for the next 5+ years. The Cavs on the other hand have a lot smaller window in the EC and our brand of basketball would allow him to fit pretty seamlessly. It would be major mistake to part with those picks at this point.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Why trade Jae and AB when we could just get Blake in the off season if he really wants to be here? I have my doubts he wants to leave LA and I doubt Doc will trade him if that's the case.

Edit: I know it's to try and get Hayward in the offseason, but you are relying on a lot of things to fall into place for all of that to work and Brown isn't ready to start on this team just yet.

There is no assurance you could get him in the offseason. It's a lot easier to convince a guy to stay than to come here. And Blake is just on a whole different level than those two.

AB and Jae are great role players, and if you can consolidate them for a star you have to do it.

The problem with getting Blake is that we end up like the Clippers, with no depth - is IT/Smart/Brown/Blake/Al a championship group? No.

Trading for Hayward now could be big, but Utah is going to ask for BKN 18 because they have to, and we are going to say no because we have to. Jerebko/Zeller/MEM 1st doesn't get it done- without an agent power play.

I view us as two legit stars away, right now. IT/Blake/Al may not be a championship team, but now you're only one guy away, with max cap space available and still holding onto Brown/BKN picks. We'd be a lot closer to the end goal, but just as flexible in terms of getting there.

It's also a situation Hayward would find much more palatable if he were to leave. Joining IT/Griffin/Horford is a lot more attractive than IT/AB/Crowder/Al.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Why trade Jae and AB when we could just get Blake in the off season if he really wants to be here? I have my doubts he wants to leave LA and I doubt Doc will trade him if that's the case.

Edit: I know it's to try and get Hayward in the offseason, but you are relying on a lot of things to fall into place for all of that to work and Brown isn't ready to start on this team just yet.

There is no assurance you could get him in the offseason. It's a lot easier to convince a guy to stay than to come here. And Blake is just on a whole different level than those two.

AB and Jae are great role players, and if you can consolidate them for a star you have to do it.

Here's my question, though: do you want to trade a substantial package for a guy who doesn't play defense, can't stay healthy and appears to be declining?

Don't get me wrong: I'd love to have Griffin on this team. The dude is very, very good. I'm just not sure I'm amenable to surrendering that much for him in a trade.

I'd rather just try our luck with him in the offseason, and if we miss, then hey; at least we still have the two Brooklyn picks and a nice stable of young talent to utilize elsewhere.

Eventually we are going to need to take a risk if we want to make a serious run at a championship. Trading for Griffin while keeping the picks/Brown is about as tempting a risk as you're gunna get.

That's the beauty of the trade, too- if it fails you can still hit the restart button at a minimal long term cost.

[Banks2Pierce]

Durant here would have made us neck and neck with Cleveland or better and a coin flip from winning the title. Westbrook could make us a genuine contender. So, I think 1 top 5 guy away or 2 top 15s. Not always as simple as '1 guy away'.

[165bows]

Chances are close to zero the Celtics give up any substantial asset for Nurkic. Between low efficiency scoring and an extremely high turnover rate, the guy has a career offensive rating of 95.

The Celtics like big men that can handle the ball. Nurk is a turnover machine.

Would you consider Terry a substantial asset in this case? I kind of do, I think his ceiling is going to be pretty high as a two way player and I don't think his trade value outside the organization will reflect that yet. However, while I think it's too early to call Nurk a reclamation project (though I fully agree with your assessment of him) I'd love to see what Brad could do with him. Denver's front court carousel, which has hardly been beneficial for any of the players, seems to have settled on Chandler, Jokic, and Fareid at least for the moment and Nurk is on a rookie deal through 18/19 which makes him more attractive than some of the other front court options being kicked around such as Noel (I'd rather have him but not at what he will likely cost), or Monroe's godawful contract (there is no way in hell he is opting out of that). I think Monroe, despite being a weak defender, would fit right in because of his passing ability and his inside scoring and rebounding, but I don't see any way to make the contracts work without giving up too much.

Yes, considering he is twice the salary and half the number of years under control.

IMO neither guy has proven 100% they are a legit NBA player so I'd stick with Terry R at this point even considering fit. Easier to make it as a guard with a .500 TS% than a big for me, plus I feel better about TRozzy's defense.

[Bad-Thoma]

Another place I'd be kicking the tires is Phoenix with the target being Alex Len. Amir/Jonas for Len/Dudley would work financially and then it would be a matter of what non Brooklyn picks they'd want. For Phoenix it would be about helping their tank, off season cap space and acquiring future pick(s). For Boston, a legit 7'1 23 year old center with talent is worth some future picks and Dudley could replicate what Jerebko does for us and is hitting 3's at 44% this season, with the downside being Dudley's contract running 2 more seasons. I'm not sure Phoenix does this sans Brooklyn pick, but hey, tire kicking.

[Bad-Thoma]

Chances are close to zero the Celtics give up any substantial asset for Nurkic. Between low efficiency scoring and an extremely high turnover rate, the guy has a career offensive rating of 95.

The Celtics like big men that can handle the ball. Nurk is a turnover machine.

Would you consider Terry a substantial asset in this case? I kind of do, I think his ceiling is going to be pretty high as a two way player and I don't think his trade value outside the organization will reflect that yet. However, while I think it's too early to call Nurk a reclamation project (though I fully agree with your assessment of him) I'd love to see what Brad could do with him. Denver's front court carousel, which has hardly been beneficial for any of the players, seems to have settled on Chandler, Jokic, and Fareid at least for the moment and Nurk is on a rookie deal through 18/19 which makes him more attractive than some of the other front court options being kicked around such as Noel (I'd rather have him but not at what he will likely cost), or Monroe's godawful contract (there is no way in hell he is opting out of that). I think Monroe, despite being a weak defender, would fit right in because of his passing ability and his inside scoring and rebounding, but I don't see any way to make the contracts work without giving up too much.

Yes, considering he is twice the salary and half the number of years under control.

IMO neither guy has proven 100% they are a legit NBA player so I'd stick with Terry R at this point even considering fit. Easier to make it as a guard with a .500 TS% than a big for me, plus I feel better about TRozzy's defense.

I feel better about Terry from a chemistry stand point as well as Nurk, at least pre-draft, was kind of a hot head but I do like players with a chip on their shoulder.

[Celts17Pride]

Kevin O'Connor speculated that the Clippers may deal Blake. What needs to be added to make the following deal work?

Celtics trade: Crowder, Olynyk, Bradley and Rozier
Celtics receiver: Griffin

Kings trade: Rudy Gay
Kings receive: Rozier and Olynyk

Clippers trade: Griffin
Clippers receive: Crowder, Bradley and Gay

If we could get him to waive his ETO, we could have the room to add Hayward in the offseason, and still have the BKN picks and Brown to play with.

IT/Hayward/Brown/Griffin/Horford could be one hell of a lineup. As would IT/Smart/Hayward/Griffin/Horford.

Horrible trade. Griffin would be gone in 50 games. Griffin is extremely overrated anyways. Don't have to worry about this one because Doc Rivers is never going to trade him.

[Green89]

If the Clips are even consideriping trading Blake, it's a huge red flag. They wouldn't be looking to move him if he was healthy. He's hurt twice a year, every year, and knee issues are not something to play around with. If he wants to be in Boston, he can come in the offseason. No trades for Blake!

[raferfenix]

Hey Celtics fans, curious what you would trade for John Henson?

Context is Monroe has been playing pretty well for us as a backup center this year. His instant offense has been needed more than ever while Middleton is out and he's trying harder on defense and the boards.

Basically I could see us keeping Monroe if there still isn't much of a market out there for him -- especially if Henson could net us a much better return.

[Murta]

Hey Celtics fans, curious what you would trade for John Henson?

Context is Monroe has been playing pretty well for us as a backup center this year. His instant offense has been needed more than ever while Middleton is out and he's trying harder on defense and the boards.

Basically I could see us keeping Monroe if there still isn't much of a market out there for him -- especially if Henson could net us a much better return.

The risk of Henson's contract being a potential liability for Celtics in future trades/signings is probably a deal-breaker, although this team could definitely use him. It's nice his salary is descending, that is a plus.

[Banks2Pierce]

Hey Celtics fans, curious what you would trade for John Henson?

We're currently an annoying trade partner because 2017 cap space is a major priority. We need to be getting an expiring contract, a star, or a swap that's salary neutral for 2017. Our contracts that extend beyond this summer are all way better assets than Henson.

[jfs1000d]

Three targets that can be had that don't kill us asset wise -- Rudy Gay, Andrew Bogut and Nerlens Noel.

Let's get Bogut and Gay and see how far we can get.

[rmal8852]

Vucevic maybe on the move as well as Elfrid Payton whom they are supposedly down on. Vucevic has been coming off the bench since late November with Biyombo starting.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2016/12/24/nba-rumors-boston-is-the-most-logical-landing-spot-for-orlando-magics-nikola-vucevic/#e1f7d9718498

Ibaka, Biyombo and Vucevic are all getting between 27-30 minutes per game. A week ago when Vuceveic played 40 vs the Heat, he got 26/12/3/2, and a lot of that was against Whiteside.

He's an underrated passer and a good rebounder (2.6 apg and 10.5 rpg this year in 28 minutes) with a salary that isn't cap-crippling.

After January 15th, I would do Zeller, KO, Rozier, Young and any number non-Brooklyn picks for Vucevic and Payton. Rozier could be their point guard of the future and KO should partner well with Ibaka and Biyombo. They want picks too, and we can give them the Memphis pick our good 2nd this year and both of our first for '18 1n '19 (assuming that we keep the 18 brooklyn to avoid the Stepien rule).

That leaves us with:

IT/Payton/Jackson
Bradley/Smart/Green
Crowder/Brown
Horford/Jerebko
Vucevic/Amir

I think that's a rotation that gets us into the 2nd round and maybe into the ECFs

[CelticFaninLBC]

Griffin isn't going to opt in for 2017-18, so even if they move AB and Crowder, Griffin's cap hold wipes out max cap space. Pass.

[Green89]

I think we could use Elfrid Payton more than Vucevic. If we lost Smart in any trade, Payton would be a great backup PG and his salary is dirt cheap.

[GoCeltics123]

I think we could use Elfrid Payton more than Vucevic. If we lost Smart in any trade, Payton would be a great backup PG and his salary is dirt cheap.

Lot of turnovers/no shooting? Nope. Not worth it. Only good thing is his contract.

[fallguy]

Whole lotta trade ideas here that don't make a difference for us this year and do impede us next.