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Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#81 » by BEazy » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:18 am

JC is right on one thing about this squad, they need to grow the **** up...
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#82 » by yanuary » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:19 am

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The Prodigy wrote:Man that was an atrocious way too close out a game. D'Angelo dribbles out the clock in a tied game, Randle loses Ingles for a three, D'Angelo settles for a long three in a two-point game.

Following a young team can get frustrating as hell.


It waś Lou Williams.
Young team it happens (i remember Jazz one year ago - they lost so many tight games), good game in D, awesome Randle. Finally Lakers looks like similary to great start of the season.


No, it wasn't. He dribbled away the clock in a tied game then gave it to Lou with a few seconds left who had to force up a bad shot. In a tied game, you need a score a hell of a lot more than you need to run down the clock. Just awful decision-making his last two possessions.


Only because Ingles cut Lou form the ball, and Williams literally cant make himself free until last seconds. Next Lou made horrible decision in last seconds (go to the corner). Russell (im pretty sure) has assumption described by Walton - pass to Lou, if he will shoot 3s (like in last action) you probably will be mad like in last possession, but Walton will be angry. In last poss he has free hand probably, he missed - it happens. Bad decision? Probably, but he has to lost many games before he become good player, its process.
Bad shooting day from him, nothing else. Excellent defense, good playmaking in this game.

Its process, calm down he is only twenty.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#83 » by Kupchak9 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:20 am

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Kupchak9 wrote:It didnt look like there was any intention to attack the rim on that play. Literally no pick and roll action at all, or even an attempt. Seemed like they were planning to take a long-contested 3. This is where DLO really worries me, his lack of athleticism makes him so limited, he's definitely in the bottom tier of guards in terms of quickness, speed, lateral movement etc.


While he'll never be a burner, I don't think it was a quickness issue. He can take Jose Ingles. It was a decision-making issue. He's reluctant to take the ball inside and take the contact. It's easier to just jack one up from outside and hope for another "ice in my veins" moment.


That's such a weird mentality to have for a guard this young. Dude's like 20 years old but isnt confident in his ability finish with contact or even draw a foul. He seems to have less poise than he did last season and I was pretty impressed with his BBIQ last year.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#84 » by The Prodigy » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:23 am

yanuary wrote:
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It waś Lou Williams.
Young team it happens (i remember Jazz one year ago - they lost so many tight games), good game in D, awesome Randle. Finally Lakers looks like similary to great start of the season.


No, it wasn't. He dribbled away the clock in a tied game then gave it to Lou with a few seconds left who had to force up a bad shot. In a tied game, you need a score a hell of a lot more than you need to run down the clock. Just awful decision-making his last two possessions.


Only because Ingles cut Lou form the ball, and Williams make himself free. Next Lou made horrible decision in last seconds (go to the corner). Russell (im pretty sure) has assumption described by Walton - pass to Lou, if he will shoot 3s (like in last action) you probablu will be mad like in last possession, but Walton will be angry. In last poss he has free hand probably, he missed - it happens.
Bad shooting day from him, nothing else. Excellent defense, good playmaking in this game.


I don't know what you're trying to say here, but he dribbled the ball for like 10 seconds unnecessarily. It's a tied game and you need a score. If a play is busted, he needs to recognize that and go to plan B. And in that last possession he needs to take Joe friggin' Ingles off the dribble in a two-point game rather than hoist a three from near half court.

I'm a fan of Russell but tonight was a doozy. No way around it.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#85 » by yanuary » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:25 am

Walton said the last play was his fault. He drew something up not anticipating Gobert would miss both FT’s and Russell tried to execute it.

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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#86 » by The Prodigy » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:25 am

Kupchak9 wrote:
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Kupchak9 wrote:It didnt look like there was any intention to attack the rim on that play. Literally no pick and roll action at all, or even an attempt. Seemed like they were planning to take a long-contested 3. This is where DLO really worries me, his lack of athleticism makes him so limited, he's definitely in the bottom tier of guards in terms of quickness, speed, lateral movement etc.


While he'll never be a burner, I don't think it was a quickness issue. He can take Jose Ingles. It was a decision-making issue. He's reluctant to take the ball inside and take the contact. It's easier to just jack one up from outside and hope for another "ice in my veins" moment.


That's such a weird mentality to have for a guard this young. Dude's like 20 years old but isnt confident in his ability finish with contact or even draw a foul. He seems to have less poise than he did last season and I was pretty impressed with his BBIQ last year.


It's not that uncommon. Especially for a 20 year-old who's still working on developing an NBA body. With that said, sometimes you gotta be willing to take the hit. It's a grown man league.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#87 » by yanuary » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:32 am

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No, it wasn't. He dribbled away the clock in a tied game then gave it to Lou with a few seconds left who had to force up a bad shot. In a tied game, you need a score a hell of a lot more than you need to run down the clock. Just awful decision-making his last two possessions.


Only because Ingles cut Lou form the ball, and Williams make himself free. Next Lou made horrible decision in last seconds (go to the corner). Russell (im pretty sure) has assumption described by Walton - pass to Lou, if he will shoot 3s (like in last action) you probablu will be mad like in last possession, but Walton will be angry. In last poss he has free hand probably, he missed - it happens.
Bad shooting day from him, nothing else. Excellent defense, good playmaking in this game.


I don't know what you're trying to say here, but he dribbled the ball for like 10 seconds unnecessarily. It's a tied game and you need a score. If a play is busted, he needs to recognize that and go to plan B. And in that last possession he needs to take Joe friggin' Ingles off the dribble in a two-point game rather than hoist a three from near half court.

I'm a fan of Russell but tonight was a doozy. No way around it.


He just tried executed Walton's sets in last 2 possesions.
Walton said the last play was his fault. He drew something up not anticipating Gobert would miss both FT’s and Russell tried to execute it.

He is young player, in future he definitely could read game better and go to plan B. For now he just tried listen a coach and execute this. Blame him for this if you want, but i wouldnt.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#88 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:41 am

We're 12-23...we've dropped at least 7 games that were winnable games. We dropped losses at home to the Mavs, Suns , Jazz then we should have went 3 and 4 on that east swing. We can or should be at worst 17-18 or over .500 if we don't drop these games.

This team has to learn that winning at home will be the first thing they have to establish if they want to eventually become a playoff team.

Losses like these sting...just like that Memphis game and the Hornets game and Heat game. They have to start winning these types of games because in reality these types of games are playoff style games. It's very rare that you get blow outs late in a series.

Let's hope they learn from this and take it out on a awful Dallas team. These are must win games if they want to climb back into the playoff picture. As crazy as our season has gone the team is still only about 5 games or so out of 8th. Don't care what nobody says but that spot is still up for grabs.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#89 » by yanuary » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:43 am

DEEP3CL wrote:We're 12-23...we've dropped at least 7 games that were winnable games. We dropped losses at home to the Mavs, Suns , Jazz then we should have went 3 and 4 on that east swing. We can or should be at worst 17-18 or over .500 if we don't drop these games.

This team has to learn that winning at home will be the first thing they have to establish if they want to eventually become a playoff team.

Losses like these sting...just like that Memphis game and the Hornets game and Heat game. They have to start winning these types of games because in reality these types of games are playoff style games. It's very rare that you get blow outs late in a series.

Let's hope they learn from this and take it out on a awful Dallas team. These are must win games if they want to climb back into the playoff picture. As crazy as our season has gone the team is still only about 5 games or so out of 8th. Don't care what nobody says but that spot is still up for grabs.


Its typical for young teams i remember Jazz last year - they lose PO, because they lost so many tight games. It was really good game for the process overall.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#90 » by babyjax13 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:24 am

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The Jazz went through the same growth curve of not being able to close out games. It still gets us sometimes, but it really is something to expect out of young teams. Your core looks fantastic, can't wait to watch them all develop.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#91 » by yanuary » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:30 pm

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No, it wasn't. He dribbled away the clock in a tied game then gave it to Lou with a few seconds left who had to force up a bad shot. In a tied game, you need a score a hell of a lot more than you need to run down the clock. Just awful decision-making his last two possessions.


Only because Ingles cut Lou form the ball, and Williams make himself free. Next Lou made horrible decision in last seconds (go to the corner). Russell (im pretty sure) has assumption described by Walton - pass to Lou, if he will shoot 3s (like in last action) you probablu will be mad like in last possession, but Walton will be angry. In last poss he has free hand probably, he missed - it happens.
Bad shooting day from him, nothing else. Excellent defense, good playmaking in this game.


I don't know what you're trying to say here, but he dribbled the ball for like 10 seconds unnecessarily. It's a tied game and you need a score. If a play is busted, he needs to recognize that and go to plan B. And in that last possession he needs to take Joe friggin' Ingles off the dribble in a two-point game rather than hoist a three from near half court.

I'm a fan of Russell but tonight was a doozy. No way around it.


Now i watched this (at 99-99) possession few times and Russell didnt made mistake! Everything was fine until Deng (get ball 8 sec before shot clock) didnt pass the ball to Lou (he was free in corner after good Randle's screen) in correct time, but 2 seconds later.

Im not sure what exactly Luke's assumption was, but :
a) if he wants Lou shoot 3s from the corner it was Deng fault (its my opinion)
b) if he wants pass from Deng to Lou in another place in the court it was Lou's fault (cause he moved wrong)

After this play Walton was dissapointed and look at Deng with helplessy spread arms, so i think that was Deng's fault.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#92 » by Spanish_Laker » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:26 pm

We suck, we beat the Warriors and the Clippers but they fail against terrible teams like Pelicans, Nets, Mavericks, etc...We should have won this game, as well as 8-10 more games we gave it to them as a gift.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#93 » by lake_show » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:01 pm

Just finished watching the game. Yall need to chill. The 99-99 play was obviously a play for Lou that was drawn up by the coaching staff and didnt pan out. It just took waaay to long to get into that play, and even when he got the ball (regardless of how much time was left on the clock) it looked like they were just gonna let him create for himself. It was a dumb play. Same for the last play of the game. That should've been a time-out. These guys ain't good enough to just let them put together their own offense on the fly with 10 seconds left on the clock. Sorry but they ain't. Nobody knew where they were supposed to go, or be. Another dumb play.

Both those plays were on the coaching staff. Only thing that really hurt was giving Ingles that wide open 3. That was bad.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#94 » by Landsberger » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:38 pm

Just watched the game. Very disappointing end. Coaching or not you have to have better decision making in close games. Lou should have had the ball as he's by far our most dynamic offensive threat. Russell has a very difficult time creating clean looks for himself.

± was a clean sweep for the bench. The entire starting group was in the negative.

Second unit was 19-34. Starters 20-49. Only Clarkson of our guards shot above 50% last night. It seems that we need 3 of them to have efficient games to win.

Other than Lou our guards do not get to the line.

Oh well.... learning going on.
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Re: Game 35: Utah Jazz (18-13) @ Los Angeles Lakers (12-22) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#95 » by MAMBAEMD » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:57 am

Very tough loss.
We lost to a good team though.
But we made some fundamental mistakes as everyone has said.

Gobert getting that offensive rebound and put back with a bunch of Lakers standing around stung.
Not having Nance or Black hurts us with defense and rebounding.
Ingles hitting 2 threes in the last 3 minutes cannot happen.
And DLo just took a bad last shot. In tha situation, specially at home, you have to go for the tie.

The opportunities for learning are there.
Up to Luke to put this thing back together again.
But even at this stage in their development, they should not lose games like that at home.
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