Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[2Chainz]

Padding stats taking fewer shots than he ever has in his career...sounds about right.

[god shammgod]

he doesn't go to the rim a lot. it's all floaters now.

[Knicksfan1992]

i think a lot of people like to assign malice where there really isn't any. guys like melo and rose have played a certain way for years and years. there's nothing sinister behind it. these are just ingrained habits.

That's why I've never understood the KP vs. Melo thing. Certain people act like Melo does it on purpose to spite KP... Like what? Have you not watched him for the past 12 years? This is who he is. He's going to have a score first mentality no matter who is on the court with him. Even on the Olympic team. People think he's some sort of maestro or plays different... Yeah he may take a back seat to some other guys but, generally his job is to still rebound and score. He just does it in a different way based on the talent around him.

[Jay10]

why can't it just be that rose finally came to the realization he doesn't have to play at 100mph, when the opponent still struggles to stop him at 80 mph?

Westbrook and Wall will also make the change at some point in their career when they realize even at a slower power they can't be stopped.

[GONYK]

True Point Guard = pass first
Scoring Guard = get as many points as possible with a few assists.

Draymond Green is more of a point guard than Steph Curry.

Is Kyrie a point guard?

Why do you think the Knicks struggled with Jennings as a starter when Rose was out with back spasm?

Why do you think Hornacek said, "Jeff Hornacek admits he may have underestimated the impact of Derrick Rose as Brandon Jennings doesn't command the same attention of defenses."?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244314/Jeff-Hornacek-Admits-Underestimating-Impact-Of-Derrick-Rose

In today's NBA the backcourt's job is to get points and not have one player get all the assists, but the entire team as a whole contribute in getting assists.

I'll answer your question after you answer mine.

Are you saying that in order to be a true PG, you have to average more assists than points?

i edited my original post with the answer: a true point guard doesn't get 20+ point and only have 4 or 5 assists at the final buzzer.

A point guard isn't merely decided by stats. A PG is responsible for running the offense, putting others in efficient scoring positions, and setting/maintaining the pace of the offense.

You can't just look at stats and decide, since a field goal is worth 2 or 3 points, and a successful assist is only worth 1 if the person you set up for the assist actually converts it.

Chris Paul is definitely a true PG. So is Mike Conley, Tony Parker of the last few years, John Wall, Kyle Lowry, Rondo, Dragic, Rubio. They definitely exist.

[god shammgod]

i think a lot of people like to assign malice where there really isn't any. guys like melo and rose have played a certain way for years and years. there's nothing sinister behind it. these are just ingrained habits.

That's why I've never understood the KP vs. Melo thing. Certain people act like Melo does it on purpose to spite KP... Like what? Have you not watched him for the past 12 years? This is who he is. He's going to have a score first mentality no matter who is on the court with him. Even on the Olympic team. People think he's some sort of maestro or plays different... Yeah he may take a back seat to some other guys but, generally his job is to still rebound and score. He just does it in a different way based on the talent around him.

this really has nothing to do with those players. i've seen this on the board before. i remember posters going on and on about how gallo was being frozen out by felton and amare. i remember landry being held back by melo. a year later his new team held him back from the court. it's just about new and old. it always was and it always will be.

[blueNorange]

rose is shooting better because he wants to get paid ? wouldn't it have made sense to shoot well for the last 3 years than ? he would get paid even more. and he's taking less shots this year, not more.

no.

[god shammgod]

rose is shooting better because he wants to get paid ? wouldn't it have made sense to shoot well for the last 3 years than ? he would get paid even more. and he's taking less shots this year, not more.

no.

[K_ick_God]

so you're saying rose will have his best season in 7 years?

man people easily get duped with these contract year players.

He could decline next year or any future year but the idea that Rose is just a contract-year player is a little bit of an odd fit of an argument against him. Injuries derailed a guy who was once a clear top scorer in the game. He's showing some signs of getting back about 80%, or maybe more -- that's what the rest of the season is for, of his scoring ability.

His past success was not dictated by contract years or earning $, and the perch that he fell from had nothing to do with money -- it was injuries.

Square peg and round hole of an argument here. Why not just say you don't trust his health?

2014-15 - .493 true shooting %
2015-16 - .479 true shooting %
2016-17 - .521 true shooting %

because rose is having a better season than years past, and just so you know a .521 true shooting % is still a bad number.

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

[blueNorange]

He could decline next year or any future year but the idea that Rose is just a contract-year player is a little bit of an odd fit of an argument against him. Injuries derailed a guy who was once a clear top scorer in the game. He's showing some signs of getting back about 80%, or maybe more -- that's what the rest of the season is for, of his scoring ability.

His past success was not dictated by contract years or earning $, and the perch that he fell from had nothing to do with money -- it was injuries.

Square peg and round hole of an argument here. Why not just say you don't trust his health?

2014-15 - .493 true shooting %
2015-16 - .479 true shooting %
2016-17 - .521 true shooting %

because rose is having a better season than years past, and just so you know a .521 true shooting % is still a bad number.

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

so he's now cured the year he's entering free agency?

[2Chainz]

He could decline next year or any future year but the idea that Rose is just a contract-year player is a little bit of an odd fit of an argument against him. Injuries derailed a guy who was once a clear top scorer in the game. He's showing some signs of getting back about 80%, or maybe more -- that's what the rest of the season is for, of his scoring ability.

His past success was not dictated by contract years or earning $, and the perch that he fell from had nothing to do with money -- it was injuries.

Square peg and round hole of an argument here. Why not just say you don't trust his health?

2014-15 - .493 true shooting %
2015-16 - .479 true shooting %
2016-17 - .521 true shooting %

because rose is having a better season than years past, and just so you know a .521 true shooting % is still a bad number.

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

And last year he was playing with a fractured orbital socket. His splits after Christmas look closer to the player he is today.

[kane2021]

All this arguing. Everyone on this forum should be on the same page praying he signs that extension. Because he's phils guy and he's going to get at least a BUCK bare minimum in the off season.

I'm hoping he signs that extension, Noah picks his game up, we make the playoffs, and can pickup a playmaker cut from rondos cloth mid to late draft. And then maybe we can slide rose over to the 2. Have Lee strengthen the bench.

These are my hopes assuming rose Noah and Carmelo are here for the long haul. I prefer a rebuild personally. But it's a safe assumption that this current team is phils knicks going forward. So I'm hoping it plays out that way.


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[K_ick_God]

2014-15 - .493 true shooting %
2015-16 - .479 true shooting %
2016-17 - .521 true shooting %

because rose is having a better season than years past, and just so you know a .521 true shooting % is still a bad number.

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

so he's now cured the year he's entering free agency?

Listen, money is a factor in everything, probably even in health. But when it comes to health, money is less of a factor. There's this thing called the human body -- it gets injured when you play sports, and it takes time to heal. Basketball at this level requires near-peak physical condition to even be able to get out there, and the healthier and stronger your body is, the more you can distinguish yourself on the court.

So money is always a factor. But it's not the Gotcha your poorly manufactured soapbox is made of. People sometimes come out of comas on dates that look suspicious too.

Got dam.

[NYKMentality85]

Earlier in the season Rose was still adjusting to newer teammates, a different head coach, a completel different system etc, etc.

But now, once he's settled in and became more comfortable as a player? During his previous 14 games; Derrick Rose has averaged...

20.0 points, 4.3 assists & 4.0 rebounds per game off of 108/222 from the field (.486%).

As an attacking/scoring PG he makes the Knicks fun to watch due to his ability to blow past defender's one on one, split opposing defenses off the dribble, drive to the rim at ease, get into the paint at will, finish with his prime years floater along with providing N.Y with a 3rd offensive weapon/scoring option outside of Anthony/Porzingis.

I personally feel bad for and pity those who aren't (and haven't) been able to enjoy Rose's impact due to whatever agenda they've had against him dating back to day 1.

There's one specific poster who considered Rose as being "completely finished as an NBA player" throughout the entire offseason and into the regular season and now that Rose has re-emerged as a borderline All-Star performer throughout his previous 14 games that same exact poster is now crying "contract year" out of desperation, but yet was supposedly "finished and done" heading into 2016-2017; i feel bad, despise & pity those types of people.

[NYKMentality85]

Speaking of "contract years" can someone/anyone create a list of every single NBA player within the league who's (currently) playing on his final year of an NBA contract? I guarantee (90%) aren't putting up the type of production and statistics as that of current D.Rose.

That would completely discredit bNo's exuse and claim of the whole "contract year" type of banter.

What we're currently seeing in regards to Rose's re-emerge has everything to do with his player attributes and abilities as a player who's now at full strength (health wise).

I'll be waiting for that "list".

[blanko]

He thug that concerns me about rose is that he still can't hit 3 pointers at an avg rate. That's why I don't think he can age well. If he can shoot 30*% i reall wouldn't mind an extension.


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[blueNorange]

I'll be waiting for that "list".

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

[TankCommander17]

I want a rebuild. I don't want him to resign. It will just be another bad signing.

[bronxknicksfan1]

2014-15 - .493 true shooting %
2015-16 - .479 true shooting %
2016-17 - .521 true shooting %

because rose is having a better season than years past, and just so you know a .521 true shooting % is still a bad number.

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

so he's now cured the year he's entering free agency?

His numbers in Chicago when he was finally recovered showed an upward trend in production. This isn't anything new.

[blueNorange]

Two years ago he was recovering from multiple injuries. You're saying it's purely $ and not at all physical?

so he's now cured the year he's entering free agency?

His numbers in Chicago when he was finally recovered showed an upward trend in production. This isn't anything new.

no it didn't.