i will like to know who stay on the orlando magic team and who gose out by trade or get cut?

[Blue_and_Whte]

Also on offense they have a tendency to stop the ball.

Fornier is indeed a ball stopper - Vuc is one of the better passing (assist) bigs in the league!!

Fournier is doing what he is told. I can tell who actually has gone to games and played ball here because it is clear that many do not understand - he holds the ball many times because a play is being run through him and he has to read what to do. Guys don't magically set screens, make backdoor cuts and teleport to new spots on the floor in .05 seconds.

The reason the offense looks different under Meeks is because Meeks can't do all that. And maybe it is a good thing that works for us long term. If it is, I can easily see Vogel tweaking it so Fournier does not have plays run through him as often.

Meeks is a spot up jump shooter, Fournier is that and then some, so obviously the offense is going to look different with Evan on the floor. Furthermore, when you consider the starting lineup, people should understand who he's sharing the floor with. Biyombo is a non factor on offense. AG is up and down with his perimeter game. The only other "scorer" us ibaka so his passing options are very limited. If he has the ball and he's on the court with Payton, AG, and Biyombo I don't want him passing the ball. Who is he supposed to pass to, and why?

[OrlChamps2030]

Fornier is indeed a ball stopper - Vuc is one of the better passing (assist) bigs in the league!!

Fournier is doing what he is told. I can tell who actually has gone to games and played ball here because it is clear that many do not understand - he holds the ball many times because a play is being run through him and he has to read what to do. Guys don't magically set screens, make backdoor cuts and teleport to new spots on the floor in .05 seconds.

The reason the offense looks different under Meeks is because Meeks can't do all that. And maybe it is a good thing that works for us long term. If it is, I can easily see Vogel tweaking it so Fournier does not have plays run through him as often.

Meeks is a spot up jump shooter, Fournier is that and then some, so obviously the offense is going to look different with Evan on the floor. Furthermore, when you consider the starting lineup, people should understand who he's sharing the floor with. Biyombo is a non factor on offense. AG is up and down with his perimeter game. The only other "scorer" us ibaka so his passing options are very limited. If he has the ball and he's on the court with Payton, AG, and Biyombo I don't want him passing the ball. Who is he supposed to pass to, and why?

Exactly.

Put Fournier next to a PG that is actually a scoring threat or on a team with guys who can actually shoot a basketball and he would instantly be known as one of the elite shooters in the league to even the most casual of fans.

Despite playing on a team with such poor shooting and being force to play a role that is a bit beyond his capabilities he is still having a great season shooting the ball. He is one of the last problems on this team. That's why Hennigan was okay with trading Oladipo and giving him a significant 5 year deal.

[yoyojw17]

Fornier is indeed a ball stopper - Vuc is one of the better passing (assist) bigs in the league!!

Fournier is doing what he is told. I can tell who actually has gone to games and played ball here because it is clear that many do not understand - he holds the ball many times because a play is being run through him and he has to read what to do. Guys don't magically set screens, make backdoor cuts and teleport to new spots on the floor in .05 seconds.

The reason the offense looks different under Meeks is because Meeks can't do all that. And maybe it is a good thing that works for us long term. If it is, I can easily see Vogel tweaking it so Fournier does not have plays run through him as often.

Meeks is a spot up jump shooter, Fournier is that and then some, so obviously the offense is going to look different with Evan on the floor. Furthermore, when you consider the starting lineup, people should understand who he's sharing the floor with. Biyombo is a non factor on offense. AG is up and down with his perimeter game. The only other "scorer" us ibaka so his passing options are very limited. If he has the ball and he's on the court with Payton, AG, and Biyombo I don't want him passing the ball. Who is he supposed to pass to, and why?

Yup.... last night we could have definitely used someone who could generate his own momentum on the offensive end of the court. As long as we are knocking down shots and players are emerging as "All Stars" ... of course it looks like Fournier is not needed... in a whopping 2 game absence. Yes.... I get that there are Carmelo Anthony's of this world.... but i honestly don't see fournier as one of those. He is being asked to force the offense on a team that was depending on a few others to make a jump that they have yet to fully do. "Frenchie.... go make something happen" is probably what he gets all the time. And a shooting guard that is shooting nearly 50 percent from the field for the entire month of December is nothing to be overlooked.... especially while he was dishing out over 3.5 assists (2nd on the team). That does not quite constitute a selfish player. If Our team was clicking on a consistent basis on the offensive end.... i am sure the ball would move a lot freer as most would like.... it's not his fault that he can do quite a bit more than spot up like meeks.

Happy for 2 things.... he will be back on Sunday and we will have 3 days off for practices and etc before the next game. Hope we come out swinging in 2017 and that Mario carries over the little bit of momentum that he had at the end of the last game.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Fournier is doing what he is told. I can tell who actually has gone to games and played ball here because it is clear that many do not understand - he holds the ball many times because a play is being run through him and he has to read what to do. Guys don't magically set screens, make backdoor cuts and teleport to new spots on the floor in .05 seconds.

The reason the offense looks different under Meeks is because Meeks can't do all that. And maybe it is a good thing that works for us long term. If it is, I can easily see Vogel tweaking it so Fournier does not have plays run through him as often.

Meeks is a spot up jump shooter, Fournier is that and then some, so obviously the offense is going to look different with Evan on the floor. Furthermore, when you consider the starting lineup, people should understand who he's sharing the floor with. Biyombo is a non factor on offense. AG is up and down with his perimeter game. The only other "scorer" us ibaka so his passing options are very limited. If he has the ball and he's on the court with Payton, AG, and Biyombo I don't want him passing the ball. Who is he supposed to pass to, and why?

Yup.... last night we could have definitely used someone who could generate his own momentum on the offensive end of the court. As long as we are knocking down shots and players are emerging as "All Stars" ... of course it looks like Fournier is not needed... in a whopping 2 game absence. Yes.... I get that there are Carmelo Anthony's of this world.... but i honestly don't see fournier as one of those. He is being asked to force the offense on a team that was depending on a few others to make a jump that they have yet to fully do. "Frenchie.... go make something happen" is probably what he gets all the time. And a shooting guard that is shooting nearly 50 percent from the field for the entire month of December is nothing to be overlooked.... especially while he was dishing out over 3.5 assists (2nd on the team). That does not quite constitute a selfish player. If Our team was clicking on a consistent basis on the offensive end.... i am sure the ball would move a lot freer as most would like.... it's not his fault that he can do quite a bit more than spot up like meeks.

Happy for 2 things.... he will be back on Sunday and we will have 3 days off for practices and etc before the next game. Hope we come out swinging in 2017 and that Mario carries over the little bit of momentum that he had at the end of the last game.

While they're improving, Payton and AG are not guys you can rely on to carry the team on offense. Yes each guy had a good game, but that isn't sustainable which was evident against the Hornets. I'm not guaranteeing that we would've won had Fournier played but I think the game may have looked a little different especially on offense.

[yoyojw17]

Meeks is a spot up jump shooter, Fournier is that and then some, so obviously the offense is going to look different with Evan on the floor. Furthermore, when you consider the starting lineup, people should understand who he's sharing the floor with. Biyombo is a non factor on offense. AG is up and down with his perimeter game. The only other "scorer" us ibaka so his passing options are very limited. If he has the ball and he's on the court with Payton, AG, and Biyombo I don't want him passing the ball. Who is he supposed to pass to, and why?

Yup.... last night we could have definitely used someone who could generate his own momentum on the offensive end of the court. As long as we are knocking down shots and players are emerging as "All Stars" ... of course it looks like Fournier is not needed... in a whopping 2 game absence. Yes.... I get that there are Carmelo Anthony's of this world.... but i honestly don't see fournier as one of those. He is being asked to force the offense on a team that was depending on a few others to make a jump that they have yet to fully do. "Frenchie.... go make something happen" is probably what he gets all the time. And a shooting guard that is shooting nearly 50 percent from the field for the entire month of December is nothing to be overlooked.... especially while he was dishing out over 3.5 assists (2nd on the team). That does not quite constitute a selfish player. If Our team was clicking on a consistent basis on the offensive end.... i am sure the ball would move a lot freer as most would like.... it's not his fault that he can do quite a bit more than spot up like meeks.

Happy for 2 things.... he will be back on Sunday and we will have 3 days off for practices and etc before the next game. Hope we come out swinging in 2017 and that Mario carries over the little bit of momentum that he had at the end of the last game.

While they're improving, Payton and AG are not guys you can rely on to carry the team on offense. Yes each guy had a good game, but that isn't sustainable which was evident against the Hornets. I'm not guaranteeing that we would've won had Fournier played but I think the game may have looked a little different especially on offense.

Oh .... of course i don't think he would have closed that 30 point gap in the 2nd half fully.... but we would have had another offensive weapon out there. Jodie meeks and Gordon are being defended by Nicolas Batum and MKG.... 2 very strong perimeter defender who rendered those 2 useless for the most part. After being excited by Gordon's outburst the other night i looked at the team that was up next and thought.... "Well that was going to be shortlived" haha It's easy to have confidence when you got a one legged guy as your defender (Parsons) or being switch to having smaller or slower defenders on you. But Batum and MKG would easily rock that confidence.... and then just smother the ish out of Jodie...rendering him useless. These are the moments that having a crafty player such as Fournier is very beneficial.

Ideally i want the ball in fournier's hand as much as Vogel has given him.... he just has to recognize better when he needs to throttle the team through and when to sit back and give the team the support they need when they are on. I think that's what bothers people the most. For me... i just see a gifted 24 yo giving his best.

[tiderulz]

Yup.... last night we could have definitely used someone who could generate his own momentum on the offensive end of the court. As long as we are knocking down shots and players are emerging as "All Stars" ... of course it looks like Fournier is not needed... in a whopping 2 game absence. Yes.... I get that there are Carmelo Anthony's of this world.... but i honestly don't see fournier as one of those. He is being asked to force the offense on a team that was depending on a few others to make a jump that they have yet to fully do. "Frenchie.... go make something happen" is probably what he gets all the time. And a shooting guard that is shooting nearly 50 percent from the field for the entire month of December is nothing to be overlooked.... especially while he was dishing out over 3.5 assists (2nd on the team). That does not quite constitute a selfish player. If Our team was clicking on a consistent basis on the offensive end.... i am sure the ball would move a lot freer as most would like.... it's not his fault that he can do quite a bit more than spot up like meeks.

Happy for 2 things.... he will be back on Sunday and we will have 3 days off for practices and etc before the next game. Hope we come out swinging in 2017 and that Mario carries over the little bit of momentum that he had at the end of the last game.

While they're improving, Payton and AG are not guys you can rely on to carry the team on offense. Yes each guy had a good game, but that isn't sustainable which was evident against the Hornets. I'm not guaranteeing that we would've won had Fournier played but I think the game may have looked a little different especially on offense.

Oh .... of course i don't think he would have closed that 30 point gap in the 2nd half fully.... but we would have had another offensive weapon out there. Jodie meeks and Gordon are being defended by Nicolas Batum and MKG.... 2 very strong perimeter defender who rendered those 2 useless for the most part. After the excited by Gordon's outburst the other night i looked at the team that was up next and thought.... "Well that was going to be shortlived" haha It's easy to have confidence when you got a one legged guy as your defender (Parsons) or being switch to having smaller or slower defenders on you. But Batum and MKG would easily rock that confidence.... and then just smother the ish out of Jodie...rendering him useless. These are the moments that having a crafty player such as Fournier is very beneficial.

Ideally i want the ball in fournier's hand as much as Vogel has given him.... he just has to recognize better when he needs to throttle the team through and when to sit back and give the team the support they need when they are on. I think that's what bothers people the most. For me... i just see a gifted 24 yo giving his best.