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Edug27 wrote:Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man
IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
or
IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man
IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
or
IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
Draft Fultz and they're at a point where they need to move either Smart or Bradley. There won't be enough room in the backcourt...
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man
IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
or
IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
Draft Fultz and they're at a point where they need to move either Smart or Bradley. There won't be enough room in the backcourt...
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man
IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
or
IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
Draft Fultz and they're at a point where they need to move either Smart or Bradley. There won't be enough room in the backcourt...
Captain_Caveman wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man
IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
or
IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)
Draft Fultz and they're at a point where they need to move either Smart or Bradley. There won't be enough room in the backcourt...
So do it. Sounds like a good problem to have, actually.
Hope we get Ayton in 2018 as well.
Edug27 wrote:If you can avoid paying Avery the money he'll demand as a free agent... then that's a win in my book. Especially if you can get something in return. The plan here is to not resign IT. Have him play out his contract or trade him. But give Fultz a year to get up to speed. Smart is a toss up. I'm not quite sure what to do with him. But after next season, you'd expect a lineup of ...
Fultz
Brown
Hayward / Crowder
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / Zizic
... add the Nets 2018 pick to the bench rotation.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:If you can avoid paying Avery the money he'll demand as a free agent... then that's a win in my book. Especially if you can get something in return. The plan here is to not resign IT. Have him play out his contract or trade him. But give Fultz a year to get up to speed. Smart is a toss up. I'm not quite sure what to do with him. But after next season, you'd expect a lineup of ...
Fultz
Brown
Hayward / Crowder
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / Zizic
... add the Nets 2018 pick to the bench rotation.
I don't understand the rationale in not resigning IT. They're basically out of cap space for 2018, if they sign Hayward, so might as well bring IT back..
jfs1000d wrote:Our two best players are IT and bradley. How we don't have those two guys going forward for 2017-18 I don't understand in these scenarios.
Who wins me games is what I am interested in. Not salary:wins ratio. Too many people go after roster filling like they are at Nordstrom Rack. I need clothes that fit right. I'll go to Nordstrom and get that suit tailored exactly how I like. Is it at the rack? Possibly, but usually out of season or not my size.
Edug27 wrote:jfs1000d wrote:Our two best players are IT and bradley. How we don't have those two guys going forward for 2017-18 I don't understand in these scenarios.
Who wins me games is what I am interested in. Not salary:wins ratio. Too many people go after roster filling like they are at Nordstrom Rack. I need clothes that fit right. I'll go to Nordstrom and get that suit tailored exactly how I like. Is it at the rack? Possibly, but usually out of season or not my size.
In my scenario you draft BPA and land Fultz... how do you keep him, IT and Avery?! You can't get too attached to current players.
jfs1000d wrote:Edug27 wrote:jfs1000d wrote:Our two best players are IT and bradley. How we don't have those two guys going forward for 2017-18 I don't understand in these scenarios.
Who wins me games is what I am interested in. Not salary:wins ratio. Too many people go after roster filling like they are at Nordstrom Rack. I need clothes that fit right. I'll go to Nordstrom and get that suit tailored exactly how I like. Is it at the rack? Possibly, but usually out of season or not my size.
In my scenario you draft BPA and land Fultz... how do you keep him, IT and Avery?! You can't get too attached to current players.
Trade Fultz then. No need for more guards unless you think he is a HOF.
Edug27 wrote:You draft Fultz as the PG of the future. After sitting a season, I think he'll be ready to take over that role. I see a 6'4 Dame Lillard. I don't know where IT fits in? Unless you see Fultz at the 2?
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:You draft Fultz as the PG of the future. After sitting a season, I think he'll be ready to take over that role. I see a 6'4 Dame Lillard. I don't know where IT fits in? Unless you see Fultz at the 2?
Ok. I can see Fultz as the heir apparent, but there would be plenty of minutes for him, IT and AB over the next couple of years. It seems Fultz has the size to be paired in the backcourt with IT and guard 2's...
bucknersrevenge wrote:And what if it's not Fultz and the #1 pick? What's plan B in this situation. I will say Plan A sounds pretty good but call me pessimist but I'd be shocked if we ever ended up with the #1 pick.
bucknersrevenge wrote:And what if it's not Fultz and the #1 pick? What's plan B in this situation. I will say Plan A sounds pretty good but call me pessimist but I'd be shocked if we ever ended up with the #1 pick.
Edug27 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:You draft Fultz as the PG of the future. After sitting a season, I think he'll be ready to take over that role. I see a 6'4 Dame Lillard. I don't know where IT fits in? Unless you see Fultz at the 2?
Ok. I can see Fultz as the heir apparent, but there would be plenty of minutes for him, IT and AB over the next couple of years. It seems Fultz has the size to be paired in the backcourt with IT and guard 2's...
Well there is a ton that goes into it. An again, I'm operating under the predication that Fultz is a Lillard type stud out the gate. IT will be a free agent in 2018. He probably won't want to resign to play the bench. Neither will Avery. And if Fultz is a stud, do you keep him on the bench? What money will IT even demand as a 29 year old player? Will his contract/age/size make it a movable one? Sometimes you have to move your best players at the moment to make room for your best players of the future. Sort of like GS did.
If Jaylen makes big strides next year and Fultz looks like a future All star... where do IT and Avery fit into that for the 2018-2019 season? Fultz would be a huge game changer if drafted. And my game changer, I mean we'll see some big changes. Again, if he's really as good as I think he'll be. Any other player then yea... IT gets resigned.
Edug27 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:Edug27 wrote:You draft Fultz as the PG of the future. After sitting a season, I think he'll be ready to take over that role. I see a 6'4 Dame Lillard. I don't know where IT fits in? Unless you see Fultz at the 2?
Ok. I can see Fultz as the heir apparent, but there would be plenty of minutes for him, IT and AB over the next couple of years. It seems Fultz has the size to be paired in the backcourt with IT and guard 2's...
Well there is a ton that goes into it. An again, I'm operating under the predication that Fultz is a Lillard type stud out the gate. IT will be a free agent in 2018. He probably won't want to resign to play the bench. Neither will Avery. And if Fultz is a stud, do you keep him on the bench? What money will IT even demand as a 29 year old player? Will his contract/age/size make it a movable one? Sometimes you have to move your best players at the moment to make room for your best players of the future. Sort of like GS did.
If Jaylen makes big strides next year and Fultz looks like a future All star... where do IT and Avery fit into that for the 2018-2019 season? Fultz would be a huge game changer if drafted. And by game changer, I mean we'll see some big changes. Again, if he's really as good as I think he'll be. Any other player then yea... IT gets resigned.
165bows wrote:Edug27 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Ok. I can see Fultz as the heir apparent, but there would be plenty of minutes for him, IT and AB over the next couple of years. It seems Fultz has the size to be paired in the backcourt with IT and guard 2's...
Well there is a ton that goes into it. An again, I'm operating under the predication that Fultz is a Lillard type stud out the gate. IT will be a free agent in 2018. He probably won't want to resign to play the bench. Neither will Avery. And if Fultz is a stud, do you keep him on the bench? What money will IT even demand as a 29 year old player? Will his contract/age/size make it a movable one? Sometimes you have to move your best players at the moment to make room for your best players of the future. Sort of like GS did.
If Jaylen makes big strides next year and Fultz looks like a future All star... where do IT and Avery fit into that for the 2018-2019 season? Fultz would be a huge game changer if drafted. And by game changer, I mean we'll see some big changes. Again, if he's really as good as I think he'll be. Any other player then yea... IT gets resigned.
Even if he's as good as Lillard or better long-term he probably won't be nearly as good as Lillard out of the gate.
Lillard was 22 years old and had four years of college under his belt. Fultz will be 19 his entire rookie year (assuming he's one-and-done), and from several people his college coach isn't great.
Edug27 wrote:165bows wrote:Edug27 wrote:
Well there is a ton that goes into it. An again, I'm operating under the predication that Fultz is a Lillard type stud out the gate. IT will be a free agent in 2018. He probably won't want to resign to play the bench. Neither will Avery. And if Fultz is a stud, do you keep him on the bench? What money will IT even demand as a 29 year old player? Will his contract/age/size make it a movable one? Sometimes you have to move your best players at the moment to make room for your best players of the future. Sort of like GS did.
If Jaylen makes big strides next year and Fultz looks like a future All star... where do IT and Avery fit into that for the 2018-2019 season? Fultz would be a huge game changer if drafted. And by game changer, I mean we'll see some big changes. Again, if he's really as good as I think he'll be. Any other player then yea... IT gets resigned.
Even if he's as good as Lillard or better long-term he probably won't be nearly as good as Lillard out of the gate.
Lillard was 22 years old and had four years of college under his belt. Fultz will be 19 his entire rookie year (assuming he's one-and-done), and from several people his college coach isn't great.
There were several one and done PG's who were ready by their first/second season in the league. Russ. Rose. CP. Kyrie. Etc. Fultz is ahead of the curve seeing what he's doing in Washington compared to where Dame was at that age.