ImageImageImage

Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To

Moderators: KingDavid, BFRESH44, MettaWorldPanda, Wiltside, heat4life, QUIZ, IggieCC

User avatar
King_Supreme
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,720
And1: 1,140
Joined: May 06, 2009
Location: NYC.NY.America.World

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1001 » by King_Supreme » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:34 pm

J-House wrote:The point guard position is tricky IMO. It's very hard to have a player that can give you consistent scoring AND a good amount of assists. You can either have a shoot-first PG like Kyrie/Steph or someone who's main task is to facilitate like a Rondo/Rubio. Only players that do a good job at both are CP3 and Russell Westbrook and the latter still shoots a bunch. Other than Fultz the other PGs seem like risks. You're rolling the dice if you draft Ball or Fox but there aren't a lot of complete PGs in the draft even if this is a deep draft.


I understand how you feel, but the team doesn't need a PG who is elite at playmaking. Winslow is a more than capable passer. If we get a shoot first pg, Spo should/can start treating Winslow like Draymond and have him be the secondary playmaker.
User avatar
Rafly
Starter
Posts: 2,437
And1: 10,501
Joined: Dec 28, 2016
 

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1002 » by Rafly » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:00 am

King_Supreme wrote:
J-House wrote:The point guard position is tricky IMO. It's very hard to have a player that can give you consistent scoring AND a good amount of assists. You can either have a shoot-first PG like Kyrie/Steph or someone who's main task is to facilitate like a Rondo/Rubio. Only players that do a good job at both are CP3 and Russell Westbrook and the latter still shoots a bunch. Other than Fultz the other PGs seem like risks. You're rolling the dice if you draft Ball or Fox but there aren't a lot of complete PGs in the draft even if this is a deep draft.


I understand how you feel, but the team doesn't need a PG who is elite at playmaking. Winslow is a more than capable passer. If we get a shoot first pg, Spo should/can start treating Winslow like Draymond and have him be the secondary playmaker.


Malik monk if that's the. Ase would look good
Feel_the_Heat15
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,238
And1: 3,457
Joined: Jun 22, 2015
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1003 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:19 am

Great game by Smith. 3 of 6 from three. 16 assists with only 4 turnovers. If the Suns don't get a top 2 pick selection then I think he goes #4 before Ball.
Dmcdani6
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,770
And1: 5,975
Joined: Jan 02, 2014
Contact:

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1004 » by Dmcdani6 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:43 am

What are the stats people look at w/ college players to determine if they might be good in the NBA??
Feel_the_Heat15
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,238
And1: 3,457
Joined: Jun 22, 2015
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1005 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:09 am

Dmcdani6 wrote:What are the stats people look at w/ college players to determine if they might be good in the NBA??

I think FT% is a great indicator of how well a guard or a 3-point shooting PF will shoot.
User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1006 » by DayofMourning » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:54 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Great game by Smith. 3 of 6 from three. 16 assists with only 4 turnovers. If the Suns don't get a top 2 pick selection then I think he goes #4 before Ball.


User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1007 » by DayofMourning » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:56 pm

User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1008 » by DayofMourning » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:58 pm

User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1009 » by DayofMourning » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:39 pm

I don't think I posted this yet.
User avatar
Bishop45
RealGM
Posts: 34,570
And1: 112,007
Joined: Apr 22, 2015
 

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1010 » by Bishop45 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:46 pm

DayofMourning wrote:


Great defensive play and clutch basket to end there, probably will stay in the same spot on my want list for the season tho
Long Live Winnie. Mamba siempre

Rest in Power Chadwick

#PeaceinGaza #FreedomforPalestine
User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1011 » by DayofMourning » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:48 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:


Great defensive play and clutch basket to end there, probably will stay in the same spot on my want list for the season tho


Eager to hear your want list
User avatar
Bishop45
RealGM
Posts: 34,570
And1: 112,007
Joined: Apr 22, 2015
 

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1012 » by Bishop45 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:53 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:


Great defensive play and clutch basket to end there, probably will stay in the same spot on my want list for the season tho


Eager to hear your want list


Bishop45 wrote:Similar to my want list, not directly in bpa;

1.Fultz
2.Tatum
3.Ntilikina
4.Jackson
5.Smith
6.Ball
7.Monk (idc idc idc)
8.Isaac
9.Giles (Needs to show something first)
10. Fox
11.Hartenstein


Slept on the last page, did you. 8-11 subject to more change than 1-7. Like Anunoby too but he plays flat-footed and overall not worth a 10 pick
Long Live Winnie. Mamba siempre

Rest in Power Chadwick

#PeaceinGaza #FreedomforPalestine
User avatar
King_Supreme
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,720
And1: 1,140
Joined: May 06, 2009
Location: NYC.NY.America.World

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1013 » by King_Supreme » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:07 am

If we Fultz, who would/should guard SG's? Should it be Fultz covering 2s or should Josh or Tyler cover SG's.
JWG324
Junior
Posts: 420
And1: 504
Joined: Apr 29, 2015
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1014 » by JWG324 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:31 am

Duke4life831
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 37,160
And1: 68,080
Joined: Jun 16, 2015
 

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1015 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:40 am

Dmcdani6 wrote:What are the stats people look at w/ college players to determine if they might be good in the NBA??


Its tough to just only look at stats. To me a lot of it is just watching the player and see if he has that "it" factor. Josh Jackson for example, solid rebounding and assist number horrible shooting numbers outside the paint. You look at that and you don't see stud prospect. But if you watch the dude, you will say damn the only thing missing from this guy is a consistent jumper. His numbers don't do justice for his ability to facilitate and get others involved. It doesn't show how well he moves and cuts off ball.

But if you don't get to watch or just don't want to watch these guys, ya I say FT% is a good way to project if they're going to be good shooters or not. Take Tatum for example, right now his shooting numbers are poor, but when you watch him, every time he shoots it looks like its going in, has great form and ridiculous shooting touch. You then see hes shooting 92% from the line and that kinda backs up the eye test of those shots look good just aren't falling yet. Also goes the other way, you guys know this first hand with Justise, he was a 40% knock down 3 point shooter at Duke, can't hit the broad side of a barn in the NBA, he had a poor FT% in college. People were questioning if DSJ jumper was a big red flag to start this season because his slow start, hes always been an 80 to mid 80% FT shooter and his shooting has caught up now. Fultz has been lightening it up from deep but hes never been a great shooter and a horrible FT shooter so I continue to say watch for his numbers to come crashing back to the norm.

College is tricky especially at the start of the year because so many teams play such trash opponents its hard to get a good gauge on them. The best thing I say is wait for conference play (which just started) and if you use sports-reference, just scroll down to conference stats, forget the rest. Thats your best way of seeing his stats against some legit college competition.
User avatar
cyclix
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,247
And1: 4,636
Joined: Dec 05, 2013
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1016 » by cyclix » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:00 am

Tied for 4th worst record in the NBA at the moment. Tied for TOP 3 pick if Mavs can win tonight
User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1017 » by DayofMourning » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:50 pm

User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1018 » by DayofMourning » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:51 pm

User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,142
And1: 93,392
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1019 » by DayofMourning » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:53 pm

User avatar
leoshes
Veteran
Posts: 2,788
And1: 5,437
Joined: Jun 19, 2015
   

Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1020 » by leoshes » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:25 pm

Tied for 3rd with the Dallas Mavericks, & the Phoenix Suns.

Can someone give me their opinion on Malik Monk, & Markelle Fultz on defense. How good do you think they can be on that end?

Return to Miami Heat