Lonzo Ball

[Duke4life831]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros? Its not slower than a normal shot, he gets his shot off quicker than the other top PGs. Its lower but its not that low. For example



Its not super high but I wouldn't really call that a really low release though. I think its just so different than what we are used to lots of people want to reject it as something that can work. Again he gets it off quicker than Fultz and DSJ. I get the mid rang jumper is not part of his arsenal right now, but I don't think his jumper is going to hold him back from adding it. I don't think hes ever going to be considered a scorer, will he need to be able to add a floater and be more aggressive on his drives looking to score? Ya of course. This dude doesn't play the PG position like we see most guys today play it. Hes an old traditional pass first PG, hes going to look to get his 15ppg but run his offense to perfection and dish out 10-12 assists as he does it.

[Marcus]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros?

Because it's cool to say.

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[Marcus]

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I liked that.

[Duke4life831]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros?

Because it's cool to say.

Haha probably. I know you like myself are one of the people on here who follow these guys before college. So seeing these guys start college isn't the first time we see how these guys play. So for the people like yourself and myself and others on here, we knew Ball could shoot. Well before the season I was telling people Ball was by far the best 3 point shooter out of the PG group. I think you and I had the same small hesitation, its one thing to get that shot off against 5'10 high schoolers could he do it against legit competition. I saw him do it in high school games against legit competition so it wasn't that big of a hesitation but still couldn't crown him yet so to say, but thats for basically all prospects except guys like a Tatum where you know hes getting it off. Hes shown ya he gets it off no problem, I mean he got it off against Fox and Fox is one of the better defensive PG prospects in awhile.

Could there be an adjustment time to the NBA of course, just look at a guy like Ingram who's struggling adjusting, most rookies need time to adjust. I just see people still say "don't trust that jumper" or "he won't be able to get it off in the pros". My question to those people is why can't he get it off? Its quicker than the other guys, its not that low, hes been a knock down shooter his entire life basically. Is it just because it looks different. I mean come on Kevin Martin got his shot off and its slower and lower than Ball's.

[cellar-door]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros? Its not slower than a normal shot, he gets his shot off quicker than the other top PGs. Its lower but its not that low. For example



Its not super high but I wouldn't really call that a really low release though. I think its just so different than what we are used to lots of people want to reject it as something that can work. Again he gets it off quicker than Fultz and DSJ. I get the mid rang jumper is not part of his arsenal right now, but I don't think his jumper is going to hold him back from adding it. I don't think hes ever going to be considered a scorer, will he need to be able to add a floater and be more aggressive on his drives looking to score? Ya of course. This dude doesn't play the PG position like we see most guys today play it. Hes an old traditional pass first PG, hes going to look to get his 15ppg but run his offense to perfection and dish out 10-12 assists as he does it.

Nobody is sure he won't, but there is a concern that he won't and when you're talking about the very top of the draft a concern like that is big. That picture from the McDonald's AA game is pretty misleading in terms of where he lets it go, and where his motion starts.

He usually starts at or below his waist and releases in front of his face.

take a look at the Kentucky game video here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ He gathers low, comes up and releases the ball level with his eyes or lower on almost every shot. 1:50 in that video in particular is what people are worried might happen against NBA defenders, he doesn't get separation, and because he isn't very high on the release the defender gets his hand on the ball without even jumping. As a comparison look at a guy like Hield last time who has a quick release, the ball is up over his head. http://www.draftexpress.com/video/12227/

[Duke4life831]

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Very well said. Going to his right is a concern with that form. I also agree a floater is by far the thing he needs to add the most in his arsenal.

[Duke4life831]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros? Its not slower than a normal shot, he gets his shot off quicker than the other top PGs. Its lower but its not that low. For example



Its not super high but I wouldn't really call that a really low release though. I think its just so different than what we are used to lots of people want to reject it as something that can work. Again he gets it off quicker than Fultz and DSJ. I get the mid rang jumper is not part of his arsenal right now, but I don't think his jumper is going to hold him back from adding it. I don't think hes ever going to be considered a scorer, will he need to be able to add a floater and be more aggressive on his drives looking to score? Ya of course. This dude doesn't play the PG position like we see most guys today play it. Hes an old traditional pass first PG, hes going to look to get his 15ppg but run his offense to perfection and dish out 10-12 assists as he does it.

Nobody is sure he won't, but there is a concern that he won't and when you're talking about the very top of the draft a concern like that is big. That picture from the McDonald's AA game is pretty misleading in terms of where he lets it go, and where his motion starts.

He usually starts at or below his waist and releases in front of his face.

take a look at the Kentucky game video here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ He gathers low, comes up and releases the ball level with his eyes or lower on almost every shot. 1:50 in that video in particular is what people are worried might happen against NBA defenders, he doesn't get separation, and because he isn't very high on the release the defender gets his hand on the ball without even jumping. As a comparison look at a guy like Hield last time who has a quick release, the ball is up over his head. http://www.draftexpress.com/video/12227/

I agree on set shots he can have a long gather. I also think there is some wasted motion in his shot that can be fixed. But that picture really isn't misleading. Thats usually where he releases that ball, thats why even coaches say, the stuff before is unconventional but where he releases the ball and the rotation on the ball is legit. His shots off the dribble especially when hes going left he gets that shot off quicker than Fultz or DSJ.

[Marcus]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros? Its not slower than a normal shot, he gets his shot off quicker than the other top PGs. Its lower but its not that low. For example



Its not super high but I wouldn't really call that a really low release though. I think its just so different than what we are used to lots of people want to reject it as something that can work. Again he gets it off quicker than Fultz and DSJ. I get the mid rang jumper is not part of his arsenal right now, but I don't think his jumper is going to hold him back from adding it. I don't think hes ever going to be considered a scorer, will he need to be able to add a floater and be more aggressive on his drives looking to score? Ya of course. This dude doesn't play the PG position like we see most guys today play it. Hes an old traditional pass first PG, hes going to look to get his 15ppg but run his offense to perfection and dish out 10-12 assists as he does it.

Nobody is sure he won't, but there is a concern that he won't and when you're talking about the very top of the draft a concern like that is big. That picture from the McDonald's AA game is pretty misleading in terms of where he lets it go, and where his motion starts.

He usually starts at or below his waist and releases in front of his face.

take a look at the Kentucky game video here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ He gathers low, comes up and releases the ball level with his eyes or lower on almost every shot. 1:50 in that video in particular is what people are worried might happen against NBA defenders, he doesn't get separation, and because he isn't very high on the release the defender gets his hand on the ball without even jumping. As a comparison look at a guy like Hield last time who has a quick release, the ball is up over his head. http://www.draftexpress.com/video/12227/

The point that's being made though regarding his shot is that he's fully aware of the mechanical issues his shot holds. He shoots it when he has the space to get it off horrible windup and all included. He rarely forces it and I personally think it's even less of a concern considering scoring isn't a huge part of his game.

If the concern with your PG is whether or not he's going to be able to get shots off and you want somebody you can hand the ball to and say "go get me buckets no matter what" then Lonzo might not be your guy but there are a few others near the top that can give you that if that's what you need from your PG.

This isn't necessarily directed at you but I don't see the point in asking somebody to prove in high volume an aspect of their game that isn't already a essential part of their playing style. He's not a PnR pull-up PG, he's not a one on one take you to the rack and score guy, he's not a create for myself first PG, and I would think at this point scouts and GMs know what they're drafting Lonzo for. As long as he adds a floater and or push shot to keep the defense from completely playing him for the pass on the drive he'll be fine.

[Duke4life831]

I have a question for people when it comes to his shot. Why are people so sure he won't be able to get it off against pros? Its not slower than a normal shot, he gets his shot off quicker than the other top PGs. Its lower but its not that low. For example



Its not super high but I wouldn't really call that a really low release though. I think its just so different than what we are used to lots of people want to reject it as something that can work. Again he gets it off quicker than Fultz and DSJ. I get the mid rang jumper is not part of his arsenal right now, but I don't think his jumper is going to hold him back from adding it. I don't think hes ever going to be considered a scorer, will he need to be able to add a floater and be more aggressive on his drives looking to score? Ya of course. This dude doesn't play the PG position like we see most guys today play it. Hes an old traditional pass first PG, hes going to look to get his 15ppg but run his offense to perfection and dish out 10-12 assists as he does it.

Nobody is sure he won't, but there is a concern that he won't and when you're talking about the very top of the draft a concern like that is big. That picture from the McDonald's AA game is pretty misleading in terms of where he lets it go, and where his motion starts.

He usually starts at or below his waist and releases in front of his face.

take a look at the Kentucky game video here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/ He gathers low, comes up and releases the ball level with his eyes or lower on almost every shot. 1:50 in that video in particular is what people are worried might happen against NBA defenders, he doesn't get separation, and because he isn't very high on the release the defender gets his hand on the ball without even jumping. As a comparison look at a guy like Hield last time who has a quick release, the ball is up over his head. http://www.draftexpress.com/video/12227/

The point that's being made though regarding his shot is that he's fully aware of the mechanical issues his shot holds. He shoots it when he has the space to get it off horrible windup and all included. He rarely forces it and I personally think it's even less of a concern considering scoring isn't a huge part of his game.

If the concern with your PG is whether or not he's going to be able to get shots off and you want somebody you can hand the ball to and say "go get me buckets no matter what" then Lonzo might not be your guy but there are a few others near the top that can give you that if that's what you need from your PG.

This isn't necessarily directed at you but I don't see the point in asking somebody to prove in high volume an aspect of their game that isn't already a essential part of their playing style. He's not a PnR pull-up PG, he's not a one on one take you to the rack and score guy, he's not a create for myself first PG, and I would think at this point scouts and GMs know what they're drafting Lonzo for. As long as he adds a floater and or push shot to keep the defense from completely playing him for the pass on the drive he'll be fine.

Yup. Can he add a mid range pull up shot? Sure maybe. Is it ever going to be a part of his game? No. Hes not looking to score, he is looking for the best shot for the offense, thats the way he plays. Now if he didn't have the 3 point shot, that would be a concern, he would be pretty useless in the half court and teams would just sag off of him. But guys have to play him way out there because he has that deep deep range. Now I think everyone is in agreement he needs a floater for sure. Because if not, when he drives no one is going to come to help because they know hes just looking to pass it out. He needs that floater to show if you don't help on me when I drive I will just drop it in. With his style of play, I don't see the big need of a pull up mid range jumper.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ball took the most shots he's taken by some margin today (18 including FGA that resulted in FTs).

If he can lift his projected scoring in the NBA by even 3 points (EG. 13 v 16 ) that changes alot to me as that could move him from Rondo & Rubio to Nash & Kidd range.

I wonder though if it's a one off against lower opposition, or whether he'll look to assert himself more now that the team streak is over.

[bwgood77]

Ball took the most shots he's taken by some margin today (18 including FGA that resulted in FTs).

If he can lift his projected scoring in the NBA by even 3 points (EG. 13 v 16 ) that changes alot to me as that could move him from Rondo & Rubio to Nash & Kidd range.

I wonder though if it's a one off against lower opposition, or whether he'll look to assert himself more now that the team streak is over.

As long as he can shoot a reasonable percentage, it really doesn't matter how much he shoots. He doesn't really need to score more, as long as he is respected as a shooter and needs to be guarded. He is shooting 43% from 3 and 53% overall which are far out of Rubio and Rondo's range as fare as scoring efficiency goes.

[ItsThatEasy]

This is one player I can't wait to see flop in the league. Solely because of the hype he's getting. He's not a top 5 pick at all and I doubt he's a PG in the NBA tbh.

[SelfishPlayer]

I'm now on the Lonzo Ball hype train even with his inability to make baskets outside of catch & shoot, step backs, and layup/dunks. I initially thought that the high talent level on his team bailed him out on all of the possessions where he would drive and kick instead of finishing the play himself. His passes are so accurate that his teammates, no matter who they are have no choice but to make the shot. He's going to be a winner in the NBA and make teammates a bunch of money.

[bigboi]

Ball's stock is going to drop off a cliff towards the end of the season. Dude's hype is built around being a "winner" and passing ability, which is overrated in itself. How in the world are you going to have a PG that is essentially a spot up 3 pt shooter in the half court? And dudes have the nerve to call him the number 1 pick, the Kidd comparisons need to stop

Well he's 18 and shooting is a skill that tends to improve over time. He's a solid enough shooter and there's no reason to think he won't get better off the bounce.

Not sure about the criticism with his passing though, he's clearly elite and one of the best passing PG's the draft has had in years.

His defense is the biggest question mark IMO but based on the way the NBA game is being played these days his offensive skill set and bball IQ translates very well.

He has a weird low, sidewinder release though. No reason to think he'll improve if the problem is that he can't get that release off in off the bounce situations. I mean, sure you could break down his whole shot, and rebuild it from the ground up into a better form, but that's really hard to do and takes time. That's the real concern, that he'll never be able to shoot off the dribble or in contested situations without a complete overhaul of his shooting form. If that's correct his ceiling is a lot lower.

Edit- That's the concern regarding his shot. The other offensive concern is whether he has the explosiveness to beat guys off the dribble, he's rarely shown it so far (and some of those were against forwards on mis-matches).

Couldn't have said it better myself. Unless there is a big rehaul on his form, I don't see him becoming anything more than a great supporting player. Now that can result in all star games but do I think he is worth it over other prospects that have greater potential, no.

[Marcus]

This is one player I can't wait to see flop in the league. Solely because of the hype he's getting. He's not a top 5 pick at all and I doubt he's a PG in the NBA tbh.

What did he do to you?

[LonZoBallin]

This is one player I can't wait to see flop in the league. Solely because of the hype he's getting. He's not a top 5 pick at all and I doubt he's a PG in the NBA tbh.

What did he do to you?

He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

[ItsThatEasy]

This is one player I can't wait to see flop in the league. Solely because of the hype he's getting. He's not a top 5 pick at all and I doubt he's a PG in the NBA tbh.

What did he do to you?

He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

I could care less about the Lakers when I scout players for the draft. I'm simply not a fan of his game. Maybe "can't wait to see him flop" was a little too malicious I'll admit.

[Marcus]

What did he do to you?

He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

I could care less about the Lakers when I scout players for the draft. I'm simply not a fan of his game. Maybe "can't wait to see him flop" was a little too malicious I'll admit.

Not being a fan of his game is understandable there are things that he does and doesn't do that can be off putting for folks so I get that. Wanting him to flop sounds personal though lol.

[Chuck Everett]

Yeah, he's clearly not going to flop. His size and ballhandling alone, barring injury, that's a 10 year NBA career at least.