The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[claycarver]

Roughly 2 weeks away, Zeller can be traded. January 15th.

Johnson,Zeller,Jerebko,Olynyk combined 28-29 million in salaries, all expirings. So much crap on this roster.

I dont want us to trade Smart or Bradley. Bradley for his mid range shooting, and stuff he does offensively and defensively. Smart because other than IT he's the only PG on this team.

Odd man out could be Crowder or Brown. Brown hopefully stays longterm. Crowders contract is great, but so is Browns, the latter is only 20, Crowder is 26.

Just not sure what Stevens does if Crowder gets traded. Start Smart at SF ? That is a downside in a potential trade. Stevens' lack of trust and respect to Browns game and to rookies.

I would trade Crowder, BKN 17, Rozier, any combo of zeller,johnson,olynyk,jerebko for Cousins.

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

[claycarver]

Trade Scenarios...

1) Don't trade for him. He's only a rental.

2) Don't trade for him. He has more than one year remaining and will clog our salary cap.

3) Nikola Jokic

[Celts17Pride]

Roughly 2 weeks away, Zeller can be traded. January 15th.

Johnson,Zeller,Jerebko,Olynyk combined 28-29 million in salaries, all expirings. So much crap on this roster.

I dont want us to trade Smart or Bradley. Bradley for his mid range shooting, and stuff he does offensively and defensively. Smart because other than IT he's the only PG on this team.

Odd man out could be Crowder or Brown. Brown hopefully stays longterm. Crowders contract is great, but so is Browns, the latter is only 20, Crowder is 26.

Just not sure what Stevens does if Crowder gets traded. Start Smart at SF ? That is a downside in a potential trade. Stevens' lack of trust and respect to Browns game and to rookies.

I would trade Crowder, BKN 17, Rozier, any combo of zeller,johnson,olynyk,jerebko for Cousins.

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

Says who? Salary cap going up, management willing to pay. You have to pay someone who replaces them. I wouldn't be so sure with your assumption

[rickrolled]

Roughly 2 weeks away, Zeller can be traded. January 15th.

Johnson,Zeller,Jerebko,Olynyk combined 28-29 million in salaries, all expirings. So much crap on this roster.

I dont want us to trade Smart or Bradley. Bradley for his mid range shooting, and stuff he does offensively and defensively. Smart because other than IT he's the only PG on this team.

Odd man out could be Crowder or Brown. Brown hopefully stays longterm. Crowders contract is great, but so is Browns, the latter is only 20, Crowder is 26.

Just not sure what Stevens does if Crowder gets traded. Start Smart at SF ? That is a downside in a potential trade. Stevens' lack of trust and respect to Browns game and to rookies.

I would trade Crowder, BKN 17, Rozier, any combo of zeller,johnson,olynyk,jerebko for Cousins.

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

If you mean they need to go in '18 we'll worry about that when we get there. But if the cost is Crowder plus one of Bradley or Smart then i'll pass on Cousins. I don't think the price should be more than Crowder, Rozier, fillers, BKN 17 pick.

[claycarver]

Roughly 2 weeks away, Zeller can be traded. January 15th.

Johnson,Zeller,Jerebko,Olynyk combined 28-29 million in salaries, all expirings. So much crap on this roster.

I dont want us to trade Smart or Bradley. Bradley for his mid range shooting, and stuff he does offensively and defensively. Smart because other than IT he's the only PG on this team.

Odd man out could be Crowder or Brown. Brown hopefully stays longterm. Crowders contract is great, but so is Browns, the latter is only 20, Crowder is 26.

Just not sure what Stevens does if Crowder gets traded. Start Smart at SF ? That is a downside in a potential trade. Stevens' lack of trust and respect to Browns game and to rookies.

I would trade Crowder, BKN 17, Rozier, any combo of zeller,johnson,olynyk,jerebko for Cousins.

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

Says who? Salary cap going up, management willing to pay. You have to pay someone who replaces them. I wouldn't be so sure with your assumption

Luxury threshold should be right around $130 in 2018. By then, Horford will make $29. Avery and IT could ask for 30% of the $108 cap, or $32.4. Lets say they give us a discount of right around $27 a year each (IT a little more, Avery a little less...whatever). Smart gets what, $20? $7 less than his max. Cousins is definitely taking his $32.4.

That puts us over the luxury tax with just 5 players under contract. Brown and BK18 rookie bring it to about $140 with 7 players under contract.

I don't see how that works.

[Celts17Pride]

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

Says who? Salary cap going up, management willing to pay. You have to pay someone who replaces them. I wouldn't be so sure with your assumption

Luxury threshold should be right around $130 in 2018. By then, Horford will make $29. Avery and IT could ask for 30% of the $108 cap, or $32.4. Lets say they give us a discount of right around $27 a year each (IT a little more, Avery a little less...whatever). Smart gets what, $20? $7 less than his max. Cousins is definitely taking his $32.4.

That puts us over the luxury tax with just 5 players under contract. Brown and BK18 rookie bring it to about $140 with 7 players under contract.

I don't see how that works.

Not everyone is getting the max. Players can ask for what they want doesn't mean they will get it from anyone

[GreenFor3]

Trade Scenarios...

1) Don't trade for him. He's only a rental.

2) Don't trade for him. He has more than one year remaining and will clog our salary cap.

3) Nikola Jokic

Pretty sure Denver is not going to trade him

[claycarver]

Roughly 2 weeks away, Zeller can be traded. January 15th.

Johnson,Zeller,Jerebko,Olynyk combined 28-29 million in salaries, all expirings. So much crap on this roster.

I dont want us to trade Smart or Bradley. Bradley for his mid range shooting, and stuff he does offensively and defensively. Smart because other than IT he's the only PG on this team.

Odd man out could be Crowder or Brown. Brown hopefully stays longterm. Crowders contract is great, but so is Browns, the latter is only 20, Crowder is 26.

Just not sure what Stevens does if Crowder gets traded. Start Smart at SF ? That is a downside in a potential trade. Stevens' lack of trust and respect to Browns game and to rookies.

I would trade Crowder, BKN 17, Rozier, any combo of zeller,johnson,olynyk,jerebko for Cousins.

Cap suicide. Smart, Bradley, IT, and Cousins are all due to get paid in '18. At least one of Smart, Bradley and IT need to go.

If you mean they need to go in '18 we'll worry about that when we get there. But if the cost is Crowder plus one of Bradley or Smart then i'll pass on Cousins. I don't think the price should be more than Crowder, Rozier, fillers, BKN 17 pick.

I mean IT or Avery have to go out in any trade instead of Crowder. His contract is worth more than people realize. Same with the BK pick. That BK17 pick and Crowder's contract are what make other acquisitions possible under the cap. We can't give them both out.

[claycarver]

Trade Scenarios...

1) Don't trade for him. He's only a rental.

2) Don't trade for him. He has more than one year remaining and will clog our salary cap.

3) Nikola Jokic

Pretty sure Denver is not going to trade him

ugh...I meant Jusuf Nurkic. Can't keep all these Euro bigs straight.

[Curmudgeon]

I'm not trading the Brooklyn 2017 pick for anything but a young top ten player. The brow or KAT? Sure, Harden, Westbrook, Leonard or Giannis? Sure. Marc Gasol, Paul George, Gobert or Favors? Probably.

After that, the answer is probably no, although it's close with a few others (but Cousins isn't one of them).

[claycarver]

Says who? Salary cap going up, management willing to pay. You have to pay someone who replaces them. I wouldn't be so sure with your assumption

Luxury threshold should be right around $130 in 2018. By then, Horford will make $29. Avery and IT could ask for 30% of the $108 cap, or $32.4. Lets say they give us a discount of right around $27 a year each (IT a little more, Avery a little less...whatever). Smart gets what, $20? $7 less than his max. Cousins is definitely taking his $32.4.

That puts us over the luxury tax with just 5 players under contract. Brown and BK18 rookie bring it to about $140 with 7 players under contract.

I don't see how that works.

Not everyone is getting the max. Players can ask for what they want doesn't mean they will get it from anyone

The only one getting the max in my scenario is Cousins. The others are all making something like $5.4 to $7 below their max. And that still puts us WAY over the cap, with just 7 players signed. I'm not being a pessimist here. Realistically, I don't see how the numbers work if we send out value contracts like Crowder and the BK picks for max money players like Cousins while holding on to Avery, IT and Smart.

But there are ways to manage the roster that gets around that. We're not destined to fall apart. We just have to value our players based on production and cap realities, both.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm not trading the Brooklyn 2017 pick for anything but a young top ten player. The brow or KAT? Sure, Harden, Westbrook, Leonard or Giannis? Sure. Marc Gasol, Paul George, Gobert or Favors? Probably.

After that, the answer is probably no, although it's close with a few others (but Cousins isn't one of them).

Scratch Gasol and Favors. Maybe Butler, DJ, Drummond, Jabari. Porzingis. Lillard. Maybe Wall.

I'd also think about, like, what if Denver says they'll give you Gallo, Nurkic, Chandler and Gary Harris for Zeller, Jerebko, Amir and the BKN 17?

That gives you this roster:

IT/Smart/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Harris/Green
Gallo/Chandler/Young
Horford/Crowder/Mickey
Nurkic/Olynyk

Plus Zizic and Yabusele next year, and the BKN '18..

You have two great scorers in Gallo/IT, the best second tier offense in the league with Bradley, Harris, Chandler, Horford, Crowder, and a ton of wing depth to easily upgrade the front court with more trades.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm not trading the Brooklyn 2017 pick for anything but a young top ten player. The brow or KAT? Sure, Harden, Westbrook, Leonard or Giannis? Sure. Marc Gasol, Paul George, Gobert or Favors? Probably.

After that, the answer is probably no, although it's close with a few others (but Cousins isn't one of them).

???

Firm pass on the BKN pick for Gasol and Favors, too.

[redbeamer]

There are some rumblings PG13 is unhappy in Indiana. Any chance they miss the playoffs and we work a trade around the 17 BKN pick this off season?

[Valid]

I'm not trading the Brooklyn 2017 pick for anything but a young top ten player. The brow or KAT? Sure, Harden, Westbrook, Leonard or Giannis? Sure. Marc Gasol, Paul George, Gobert or Favors? Probably.

After that, the answer is probably no, although it's close with a few others (but Cousins isn't one of them).

Scratch Gasol and Favors. Maybe Butler, DJ, Drummond, Jabari. Porzingis. Lillard. Maybe Wall.

I'd also think about, like, what if Denver says they'll give you Gallo, Nurkic, Chandler and Gary Harris for Zeller, Jerebko, Amir and the BKN 17?

That gives you this roster:

IT/Smart/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Harris/Green
Gallo/Chandler/Young
Horford/Crowder/Mickey
Nurkic/Olynyk

Plus Zizic and Yabusele next year, and the BKN '18..

You have two great scorers in Gallo/IT, the best second tier offense in the league with Bradley, Harris, Chandler, Horford, Crowder, and a ton of wing depth to easily upgrade the front court with more trades.

Hell freaking no.

You want to trade the Brooklyn pick for Danilo Gallinari? The guy is made of tissue paper, and even when he is healthy, he is not even remotely close to being worth either of our Nets picks.

[Marvel]

Holey heck. BKN 17 for Gallo? That would be worse than KO over Giannis.

[Roddy]

Just for fun, my offseason :

Free agents :
Kyle Korver
Gordon Hayward

Draft :
Malik Monk

Let Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Green, Zeller, Mickey and Young walk. Sign Adbel Nader.

Trade :
Rozier and our 2018 st rd pick for Jusuf Nurkic.
Avery for Okafor

IT / Monk
Hayward /Smart / Nader
Crowder / Brown / Korver
Horford /Okafor / Yabu
Nurkic / Zizic

IT : 6,2
Hayward : 30,9
Smart : 4,5
Monk : 4,0
Nader : 0,9
Crowder : 6,7
Brown : 4,9
Korver : 5,0
Horford : 27,7
Okafor : 4,9
Yabu : 1,5
Nurkic : 2,9
Zizic : 1,1

$101,2 salary cap.

[Gant]

Here's a new name to think about as a potential trade target: Andre Drummond.

Detroit is playing terribly. They're 2-8 in their last 10, the wins oddly being against the Cavs and Mavs (and 1-7 in their last 8). If they continue on this path you could see they might be tempted to trade Drummond for the right package at draft time.

I don't know what the deal would be, but the Pistons would have to want to do this first.

[claycarver]

Here's a new name to think about as a potential trade target: Andre Drummond.

Detroit is playing terribly. They're 2-8 in their last 10, the wins oddly being against the Cavs and Mavs (and 1-7 in their last 8). If they continue on this path you could see they might be tempted to trade Drummond for the right package at draft time.

I don't know what the deal would be, but the Pistons would have to want to do this first.

Those free throws though...

[Valid]

Here's a new name to think about as a potential trade target: Andre Drummond.

Detroit is playing terribly. They're 2-8 in their last 10, the wins oddly being against the Cavs and Mavs (and 1-7 in their last 8). If they continue on this path you could see they might be tempted to trade Drummond for the right package at draft time.

I don't know what the deal would be, but the Pistons would have to want to do this first.

Nah. They just signed him to a long-term deal. They aren't trading him.

Also, he is having an absolutely atrocious year defensively (-10.9 net rating) after finally showing some improvement in that area last year. The guy can block shots, but he is a terrible positional defender.

Plus, as claycarver just said, you simply can't have him on the floor late in the fourth quarter.

I love Drummond even in spite of all of that, but I'd rather consolidate our assets into someone else.