Fire Everyone

[PistonsSince85]

Blowing it up really isnt that crazy an idea.

SVG put us in a position to trade assets for picks of value.

This years draft is projected to be quite strong. The current team is middling talent at best and we need to seize on their limited upside value now.

Bring in cousins for Drummond, tank bringing in picks for the rest.

[Billl]

That "something you can't quite put your finger on" that we are missing is veteran leadership. The only long term vets on the roster are pretty quiet guys. The only real "talker" we have on the roster is SJ, and he hasn't learned to turn that into a positive force yet.

As mediocre as he was on the court, we really miss a guy like Tolliver in the locker room. We really don't have anyone with the positive and infectious energy that just keeps the team rolling along. You can literally hear the difference on the court. It's quieter out there.

[tradez401]

at this point SVG needs to figure out if we need to make a few trades or just tank the rest of the season...dont be a not good enough for playoffs/not bad enough to get a top pick team.

[Kilo]

The issue with potentially bringing in vets is we're maxed out rosterwise and it would mean Gbinije, Hilliard or Beno are out the door to make room. Besides, we have enough vets - if you're in the league 4-5-6 years already you should be ready to handle stuff yourself. It's sink or swim time, can't baby players forever.

What can Tolly, Jo-El, or Butler offer from the end of the bench that Hardaway or Allen can't offer as development coaches?

[princeofpalace]

Theres a reason I havent been making time to follow this team that closely, Drummond and Jackson are exactly who I thought they were.

[Arp590]

I don't think Reggie is the problem, we won 44 games and had statistically one of the best starting groups in the NBA last season.
Our main weak points last year were our terrible bench & KCP's 3 point shooting.. both of these have improved significantly this year.
If we took last year's team, replaced the bench & with KCP's improved 3pt shot then we win 50 games, no doubt about it.

We need Reggie to play like Reggie again, which gets Drummond locked in & involved, we need to get KCP more involved in play-making.
I'm sorry but Marcus Morris is not a starter, 41% FG is just not going to cut it for a forward.
Tobias is severely outplaying Marcus this season in terms of efficiency, it's not even a debate anymore.
Marcus- 41.8% FG, 33.5% 3PT, 80.3% FT
Tobias - 48.1% FG, 35.7% 3PT, 90.9% FT

Tobias deserves to be starting, but he's playing so well off the bench i'm not sure if we want to mess with that right now.

[Billl]

The issue with potentially bringing in vets is we're maxed out rosterwise and it would mean Gbinije, Hilliard or Beno are out the door to make room. Besides, we have enough vets - if you're in the league 4-5-6 years already you should be ready to handle stuff yourself. It's sink or swim time, can't baby players forever.

What can Tolly, Jo-El, or Butler offer from the end of the bench that Hardaway or Allen can't offer as development coaches?

It's not just having vets - it's vocal leadership from vets.

And it's fine to say "sink or swim", but that's what we have done this year. The result has been "Sink". Our young talent hasn't stepped up into leadership roles, so we need someone who can.

[russkopp]

Although I'd love to bring Boogie in, if we trade for him and lose, tank or get blown apart in the playoffs, he's as good as gone in 1.5 years.

[Kilo]

Although I'd love to bring Boogie in, if we trade for him and lose, tank or get blown apart in the playoffs, he's as good as gone in 1.5 years.

New CBA should make it easier for clubs to retain/less likely for superteams. Which teams would have $30M in cap space in 2018 off-season? These last couple of off-seasons are not the new normal. It will revert back to 3-4 teams having the cap space, and the current team will have full bird rights and ability to pay far more.

I'd rather risk Cousins walking in 1.5 years, than be on the hook paying Dre $25M a season for the next 4.5 seasons.

[MotownMadness]

There's still almost 2 months before the deadline so just ride it out until then and see who improves and who doesn't by then. No need to get rid of everyone. Most our guys are still young and on tradable contracts so we aren't dead on the water. Worst case we lose get a high pick and try again next year.

[Uncle Mxy]

I don't think Reggie is the problem, we won 44 games and had statistically one of the best starting groups in the NBA last season.
Our main weak points last year were our terrible bench & KCP's 3 point shooting.. both of these have improved significantly this year.
If we took last year's team, replaced the bench & with KCP's improved 3pt shot then we win 50 games, no doubt about it.

We need Reggie to play like Reggie again,

I think this translates as "Reggie is the problem". Either he's $80 million worse than he was last year, or the knee platelet rust is such that he needs to not be starting for now.

[Arp590]

I don't think Reggie is the problem, we won 44 games and had statistically one of the best starting groups in the NBA last season.
Our main weak points last year were our terrible bench & KCP's 3 point shooting.. both of these have improved significantly this year.
If we took last year's team, replaced the bench & with KCP's improved 3pt shot then we win 50 games, no doubt about it.

We need Reggie to play like Reggie again,

I think this translates as "Reggie is the problem". Either he's $80 million worse than he was last year, or the knee platelet rust is such that he needs to not be starting for now.

No, for one he was rusty when he returned. After a handful of games the players only meeting was called, he was called out, he began playing more passively & we are playing differently on offense than last year.

[hoophabit]

Of course, they're not going to fire everyone. Felt good though, huh?

Reggie has been playing better of late, and his defensive effort has improved. Drummond was horrid in the last game in terms of a professional level of effort. Guy needs to bring it and play to his strengths. I'm still not expecting the team to trade him. SVG's problem is how to approach mandating unselfish team play and effort. When this team is willing to play hard they're very good. Seems like they're not convinced that needs to be an every game thing. I was hoping for less of this kind of drama.

[Pandev]

One thing about this season roster and mental toughness. It Shows you the value of having solid hard working veterans like Tolliver and Anthony on the practice court.

Michael Curry was very much the same - he held players accountable and filled the glue guy role perfectly.

Closest thing we have is Marcus but a missing a couple of other no-nonsense vets who aren't afraid to speak their minds.

[russkopp]

Although I'd love to bring Boogie in, if we trade for him and lose, tank or get blown apart in the playoffs, he's as good as gone in 1.5 years.

New CBA should make it easier for clubs to retain/less likely for superteams. Which teams would have $30M in cap space in 2018 off-season? These last couple of off-seasons are not the new normal. It will revert back to 3-4 teams having the cap space, and the current team will have full bird rights and ability to pay far more.

I'd rather risk Cousins walking in 1.5 years, than be on the hook paying Dre $25M a season for the next 4.5 seasons.

I agree 10000%

[ImHeisenberg]

That "something you can't quite put your finger on" that we are missing is veteran leadership. The only long term vets on the roster are pretty quiet guys. The only real "talker" we have on the roster is SJ, and he hasn't learned to turn that into a positive force yet.

As mediocre as he was on the court, we really miss a guy like Tolliver in the locker room. We really don't have anyone with the positive and infectious energy that just keeps the team rolling along. You can literally hear the difference on the court. It's quieter out there.

So what you're saying is, we're missing the Tolliver Effect?

[pistontr]

we have B class (drummond) C class (harris, jackson) and D class (kcp, morris, lourer) talents.and we have no cap space. it is all SVG's fault.

[In SVG We Trust]

we have B class (drummond) C class (harris, jackson) and D class (kcp, morris, lourer) talents.and we have no cap space. it is all SVG's fault.

It's your fault because you didn't propose yourself as GM when Dumars was fired. Oh my, what a great team these Pistons could be if you had gotten the job. Pistontr for GM!