Nurkic: "I don't see my future in Denver"

psimanic1 · Post #41 » by **psimanic1** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:35 pm

I've put Brewer there because of salary, if we can find 3rd team, i wouldn't take him either...

skywalker33 · Post #42 » by **skywalker33** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:38 pm

Just take out Chandler, Brewer and Harrell and add a 1st from HOU, I'd bet TC would rather take a chance at drafting a good player, he's done OK so far.

psimanic1 · Post #43 » by **psimanic1** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:42 pm

Well lets say we will also trade Faried in some kind of trade, Nurkic, maybe even Barton and one of Gallo/Chandler, what would you guys look to get in return? I'm not asking about what kind of player, but what players would you go after, in which trades..
And lets say we can't get anyone like P. George or any other star...

psimanic1 · Post #44 » by **psimanic1** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:11 pm

What about Thon Maker?

skywalker33 · Post #45 » by **skywalker33** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:28 pm

Well here what level I think value is, I'm sure others may disagree but it's my opinion right now.

Chandler 1st (12-17) and a expiring or young prospect
* Can be a starter on playoff team or 6th MOY

Gallo 1st (10-17)
* Starter level talent at PF or SF or good bench scorer

Barton 1st (12-16) + early to mid 2nd
* Shows he can be a starter but more likely spark plug/6th man

Nurkic 1st + good young prospect(s)
* Young Center with a lot of upside, show 18/12+ potential

Faried 1st (20-28)
* Great energy/hustle rebounder, can fill in as a starter but can dominate on 2nd unit.

Post #46 » by **NuggetsWY** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:40 pm

Gotta agree that Brewer is a down grade from Chandler - I really love Decker and if we could get him for Nurkic, maybe Houston adds a pick just because big centers are harder to come by - I'd like that trade Nurkic for Decker+.

psimanic1 wrote:Well lets say we will also trade Faried in some kind of trade, Nurkic, maybe even Barton and one of Gallo/Chandler, what would you guys look to get in return? I'm not asking about what kind of player, but what players would you go after, in which trades..
And lets say we can't get anyone like P. George or any other star...

I've been working on this. The problem is that salary cap jump: it let teams get what they wanted. So most of the teams are fairly happy with their rosters.

I'm not a fan of Thon Maker but his true potential could be off the charts ... ... or maybe not. Probably worth a gamble, just not sure how much we should pay or how much they should add - either way.

I'm going to look at each team in the next day or so. It's not just what players do I like but they have to be players that could be traded for the right deal.

Post #47 » by **snowman** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:55 pm

What about from Boston. I would think they would make a good trade partner with all the assets they have.

skywalker33 · Post #48 » by **skywalker33** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:43 pm

snowman wrote:What about from Boston. I would think they would make a good trade partner with all the assets they have.

From BOS I'd ask forr Rozier, MEM 2019 1st (top 8 protected) and rights to Zizic. Zizic replaces Nurkic, Rozier/Murray step up to replace Nelson and we add a future 1st. BOS gets the C of the future now to pair with Horford and Nelson is a solid backup to either forward on in trade or backup IT. The 1st is 2 years away and Zizic was the 26th pick but I'd think about adding a 2nd or two back.

Post #49 » by **snowman** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:05 am

Pretty sure you could get Rozier and the Mem pick, along with a 2017 late second to sweeten the deal. However, Boston has plans for Zicic, and has placed him with David Blatt (ex Cavs coach) as coach in the Euroleague recently. Don't think he would be included. Boston doesn't want Nelson. He has been here before and I don't think left on the best of terms. So, my counter offer (as much weight it carries, lol) is:

Rozier, 2017 Clippers or Cavs second round pick (your choice) and Mem 2019 or LA Clips 2019 first round pick, whichever is better. (we own both)

U hova · Post #50 » by **U hova** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:11 am

Don't want to think about what I'd want back for Nurkic at all...

can we trade malone instead

RRFB · Post #51 » by **RRFB** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:29 am

The problem with trading Nurk on his own is that the Nuggets don't need any of the pieces they're likely to be offered. We don't need anymore depth, we don't need anymore mid-late first round picks, and we definitely don't need anymore mediocre prospects (see: Rozier). They need to package Nurk with Barton/Gallo/Faried/whoever for a real upgrade. I'm just not sure that trade exists anywhere.

Also, anyone hoping we might dump Nelson and give all his minutes to Murray or a guy like Rozier is going to be disappointed. No GM or head coach is going to sign off on giving all 48 point guard minutes to a couple of 20/21 year-old's. If we want to upgrade our PGs, it should be an experienced veteran, just not one that's over the hill like Jameer.

Post #52 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:37 am

U hova wrote:Don't want to think about what I'd want back for Nurkic at all...

can we trade malone instead

and just what in the world do you think we'd have to give up to get someone to take Malone :wink:

skywalker33 · Post #53 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:57 am

snowman wrote:Pretty sure you could get Rozier and the Mem pick, along with a 2017 late second to sweeten the deal. However, Boston has plans for Zicic, and has placed him with David Blatt (ex Cavs coach) as coach in the Euroleague recently. Don't think he would be included. Boston doesn't want Nelson. He has been here before and I don't think left on the best of terms. So, my counter offer (as much weight it carries, lol) is:

Rozier, 2017 Clippers or Cavs second round pick (your choice) and Mem 2019 or LA Clips 2019 first round pick, whichever is better. (we own both)

If you're trading for Nurkic, Zizic would be a backup...if a backup is the holdup, it'd be a shame "potential" hold up a reasonable deal. There will be other teams that want to fill a need for a young defensive center who can go get you a double-double.

Stackey · Post #54 » by **Stackey** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:13 am

Real problem is lack of communication between Malone and Nurkic. As Jusuf said it, he can accept somehow to be out of rotation, but what really upsets him is that Malone never said him a word about WHY. One day he is a starting center, day two his playing time is limited and day three he is completely out of rotation and nobody gives him explanation, and he thinks he deserves one. Something similar happened in the previous season, also without any word why.

As Jusuf says, Malone doesn't critizise him, and seems that is a problem. Malone never started a conversation with Nurkic starting with :"You did this bad.." or "You are doing this wrong...". That conversation never happaned between them but Nurkic is suddenly out of rotation and that makes him crazy.

While I must admit Malone methods are strange I'm also aware that Nurkic is one hard character to deal with it so we know only one side of the story, but seems Malone isn't willing to openly talk to the press, fans or even Nurkic.

Celts17Pride · Post #55 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:42 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
snowman wrote:Pretty sure you could get Rozier and the Mem pick, along with a 2017 late second to sweeten the deal. However, Boston has plans for Zicic, and has placed him with David Blatt (ex Cavs coach) as coach in the Euroleague recently. Don't think he would be included. Boston doesn't want Nelson. He has been here before and I don't think left on the best of terms. So, my counter offer (as much weight it carries, lol) is:

Rozier, 2017 Clippers or Cavs second round pick (your choice) and Mem 2019 or LA Clips 2019 first round pick, whichever is better. (we own both)

If you're trading for Nurkic, Zizic would be a backup...if a backup is the holdup, it'd be a shame "potential" hold up a reasonable deal. There will be other teams that want to fill a need for a young defensive center who can go get you a double-double.

Ainge is not trading Zizic in a deal for Nurkic. Ainge probably thinks more of Zizic. Time to focus on other teams. Rozier and a mid first round pick the most the Celtics would offer.

skywalker33 · Post #56 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:03 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
snowman wrote:Pretty sure you could get Rozier and the Mem pick, along with a 2017 late second to sweeten the deal. However, Boston has plans for Zicic, and has placed him with David Blatt (ex Cavs coach) as coach in the Euroleague recently. Don't think he would be included. Boston doesn't want Nelson. He has been here before and I don't think left on the best of terms. So, my counter offer (as much weight it carries, lol) is:

Rozier, 2017 Clippers or Cavs second round pick (your choice) and Mem 2019 or LA Clips 2019 first round pick, whichever is better. (we own both)

If you're trading for Nurkic, Zizic would be a backup...if a backup is the holdup, it'd be a shame "potential" hold up a reasonable deal. There will be other teams that want to fill a need for a young defensive center who can go get you a double-double.

Ainge is not trading Zizic in a deal for Nurkic. Ainge probably thinks more of Zizic. Time to focus on other teams. Rozier and a mid first round pick the most the Celtics would offer.

I'm sure you and Danny and sat down and talked about what he thinks of Zizic, you're probably his right hand man :roll:

If he's so high on him, why did he keep Young and Hunter on the roster instead of Zizic, Young is worthless and Hunters has already been cut a couple of times.

I doubt Nurkic gets traded to BOS anyway, but that offer isn't cutting it.

Powder Blue · Post #57 » by **Powder Blue** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:30 pm

RRFB wrote:The problem with trading Nurk on his own is that the Nuggets don't need any of the pieces they're likely to be offered. We don't need anymore depth, we don't need anymore mid-late first round picks, and we definitely don't need anymore mediocre prospects (see: Rozier). They need to package Nurk with Barton/Gallo/Faried/whoever for a real upgrade. I'm just not sure that trade exists anywhere.

Also, anyone hoping we might dump Nelson and give all his minutes to Murray or a guy like Rozier is going to be disappointed. No GM or head coach is going to sign off on giving all 48 point guard minutes to a couple of 20/21 year-old's. If we want to upgrade our PGs, it should be an experienced veteran, just not one that's over the hill like Jameer.

You said it RRFB. Barely one of our three first rounders from last year see's the floor now, I don't understand why people want to trade for more picks. Package for an upgrade is the only way I want Nurk moved.

Shouldn't have signed Nelson to a 3 year deal and should have re-signed DJ Augustin.

skywalker33 · Post #58 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:51 pm

Powder Blue wrote:
RRFB wrote:The problem with trading Nurk on his own is that the Nuggets don't need any of the pieces they're likely to be offered. We don't need anymore depth, we don't need anymore mid-late first round picks, and we definitely don't need anymore mediocre prospects (see: Rozier). They need to package Nurk with Barton/Gallo/Faried/whoever for a real upgrade. I'm just not sure that trade exists anywhere.

Also, anyone hoping we might dump Nelson and give all his minutes to Murray or a guy like Rozier is going to be disappointed. No GM or head coach is going to sign off on giving all 48 point guard minutes to a couple of 20/21 year-old's. If we want to upgrade our PGs, it should be an experienced veteran, just not one that's over the hill like Jameer.

You said it RRFB. Barely one of our three first rounders from last year see's the floor now, I don't understand why people want to trade for more picks. Package for an upgrade is the only way I want Nurk moved.

Shouldn't have signed Nelson to a 3 year deal and should have re-signed DJ Augustin.

Nelson was re-signed to a 4-yr deal before Augustin was even traded for, unless we had a chance to trade him, Nelson was bound to be here and DJ was bound to depart. And DJ hasn't been lighting it up for ORL, his stats are down from when he was here.

Powder Blue · Post #59 » by **Powder Blue** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:58 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Powder Blue wrote:
RRFB wrote:The problem with trading Nurk on his own is that the Nuggets don't need any of the pieces they're likely to be offered. We don't need anymore depth, we don't need anymore mid-late first round picks, and we definitely don't need anymore mediocre prospects (see: Rozier). They need to package Nurk with Barton/Gallo/Faried/whoever for a real upgrade. I'm just not sure that trade exists anywhere.

Also, anyone hoping we might dump Nelson and give all his minutes to Murray or a guy like Rozier is going to be disappointed. No GM or head coach is going to sign off on giving all 48 point guard minutes to a couple of 20/21 year-old's. If we want to upgrade our PGs, it should be an experienced veteran, just not one that's over the hill like Jameer.

You said it RRFB. Barely one of our three first rounders from last year see's the floor now, I don't understand why people want to trade for more picks. Package for an upgrade is the only way I want Nurk moved.

Shouldn't have signed Nelson to a 3 year deal and should have re-signed DJ Augustin.

Nelson was re-signed to a 4-yr deal before Augustin was even traded for, unless we had a chance to trade him, Nelson was bound to be here and DJ was bound to depart. And DJ hasn't been lighting it up for ORL, his stats are down from when he was here.

I'm aware Nelson was signed before DJ showed up...but DJ was the better player here last year and I think he would be a better fit this year. They gave DA 3/$24 when he wasn't needed, they could have kept DJ around if they wanted to.

Celts17Pride · Post #60 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:26 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
If you're trading for Nurkic, Zizic would be a backup...if a backup is the holdup, it'd be a shame "potential" hold up a reasonable deal. There will be other teams that want to fill a need for a young defensive center who can go get you a double-double.

Ainge is not trading Zizic in a deal for Nurkic. Ainge probably thinks more of Zizic. Time to focus on other teams. Rozier and a mid first round pick the most the Celtics would offer.

I'm sure you and Danny and sat down and talked about what he thinks of Zizic, you're probably his right hand man If he's so high on him, why did he keep Young and Hunter on the roster instead of Zizic, Young is worthless and Hunters has already been cut a couple of times.

I doubt Nurkic gets traded to BOS anyway, but that offer isn't cutting it.

Ainge and Stevens love Zizic. The same reason why you do. Zizic and Yabusele sitting out a year is all about them growing up and salary cap reasons. Amir Johnson, Zeller, Olynyk, Jerebko are all probably gone next year. Slide in Zizic, Yabusele and max cap room to go with Horford. Nurkic would be nice but not that much of a urgency for the Celtics. Ainge won't offer much. Your best bet is another team.