2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

StepBackCrack · Post #1221 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:36 am

bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Fixed that picture.

lol so much bitterness. Chill.

Same. You seem to hold a weird grudge for a team you never liked.

Me holding a grudge for OKC? lol. That's just not true and pure assumption on your part. My post was meant to show how crazy that those 3 were on the same team. Probably the most Incredible drafting. Many people are amazed not just me.

Post #1222 » by **bondom34** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:37 am

KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
lol so much bitterness. Chill.

Same. You seem to hold a weird grudge for a team you never liked.

Me holding a grudge for OKC? lol. That's just not true and pure assumption on your part.
My post was meant to show how crazy that those 3 were on the same team. Many people are amazed not just me.

Oh, okay. I believe you...

StepBackCrack · Post #1223 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:41 am

bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Same. You seem to hold a weird grudge for a team you never liked.

Me holding a grudge for OKC? lol. That's just not true and pure assumption on your part.
My post was meant to show how crazy that those 3 were on the same team. Many people are amazed not just me.

Oh, okay. I believe you...

You seem the one who holds a grudge so it's quite ironic you accuse me of that in the first place.
Believe whatever you want. I'm not gonna stop you from being bitter at the end of the day.

Post #1224 » by **bondom34** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:42 am

KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
Me holding a grudge for OKC? lol. That's just not true and pure assumption on your part.
My post was meant to show how crazy that those 3 were on the same team. Many people are amazed not just me.

Oh, okay. I believe you...

You seem the one who holds a grudge so it's quite ironic you accuse me of that in the first place.
Believe whatever you want. I'm not gonna stop you from being bitter at the end of the day.

Not bitter at all. I'm quite happy today. OKC won, great game from Russ. Like Harden too. And Ohio State got blown out. A perfect sports day.

StepBackCrack · Post #1225 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:47 am

bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Oh, okay. I believe you...

You seem the one who holds a grudge so it's quite ironic you accuse me of that in the first place.
Believe whatever you want. I'm not gonna stop you from being bitter at the end of the day.

Not bitter at all. I'm quite happy today. OKC won, great game from Russ. Like Harden too. And Ohio State got blown out. A perfect sports day.

Yeah, that's pretty clear from your first replay to me today. It's good that you had a great day but there is no need to go after me and accuse me of things that are only true in your head. I don't hold a grudge against any team.

Post #1226 » by **bondom34** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:49 am

KD_Steph wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:
You seem the one who holds a grudge so it's quite ironic you accuse me of that in the first place.
Believe whatever you want. I'm not gonna stop you from being bitter at the end of the day.

Not bitter at all. I'm quite happy today. OKC won, great game from Russ. Like Harden too. And Ohio State got blown out. A perfect sports day.

Yeah, that's pretty clear from your first replay to me today. It's good that you had a great day but there is no need to go after me and accuse me of things that are only true in your head. I don't hold a grudge against any team.

Oh. TBH could have fooled me, but alright then. I'll leave it there.

Post #1227 » by **jwise44** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 10:52 am

te887848 wrote:Great race so far with some superstar players. My current favorites are:

1. Curry
2. Durant
3. Harden
4. LeBron
5. Kawhi
6. Westbrook

Even if you are picking a dubs player how is curry over Durant? (And that's just if you chose to go that way

3Diamantidis · Post #1228 » by **3Diamantidis** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 2:23 pm

It is your right to believe that harden is MVP.
He is amazing.
But saying that "it's not even close" after all the things westbrook is doing is pure hyperbole.
I mean...the guy will do something that nobody expected to happen.
Match Big O?
You have to be very special to put your name in the same sentence with big O. Let alone surpass him at some point...

Btw....guys like giannis, AD are also having monstrous seasons but their teams are not powerhouses.
Lebron, KD are unreal but ppl consider their seasons as...usual(lol) for their standards.
Kawhi will always be underestimated unfortunately.

The level of the competition is the highest in the last 10 yrs imho.
Whoever of the 2 gets it, he will be worthy.
I'll go with westbrook because i want to witness history :wink:

Johnny Firpo · Post #1229 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 4:20 pm

I think Harden has to be clearly in the lead at this point. The gap is not large, but it's clear enough imo. 29/8/12 on 63%TS is completely ridiculous, even more so than Westbrook's TD average imo. He dominates the crap out of the ball while remaining ultra efficient.

nbafan38 · Post #1230 » by **nbafan38** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 4:25 pm

Westbrook is my favorite player in the nba but right now it's Harden for MVP unless Westbrook can bring his team closer in the standings to Harden.

red96 · Post #1231 » by **red96** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 4:45 pm

ocelot17 wrote:
3Diamantidis wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:MVP is Harden and it's not even close imo.

It's not even close when the other guy is averaging a triple double season?

The triple double is the most overrated stat in all of sports.

What matters is who's team is winning. Rockets are in 3rd and thunder are in 7th place.

When was the last time a player on a seventh seeded won the MVP. You have to be at least top 4.

I don't any player from a 7th seeded team ever won an MVP. I remember reading somewhere that the last time a player won MVP and wasn't on a TOP 3 TEAM was Moses Malone in 1981. His Rockets team were the 6th seed. Westbrook isn't getting the Thunder a top 3 seed so history is really against him.

nbafan38 · Post #1232 » by **nbafan38** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 4:51 pm

red96 wrote:
ocelot17 wrote:
3Diamantidis wrote:

It's not even close when the other guy is averaging a triple double season?

The triple double is the most overrated stat in all of sports.

What matters is who's team is winning. Rockets are in 3rd and thunder are in 7th place.

When was the last time a player on a seventh seeded won the MVP. You have to be at least top 4.
I don't any player from a 7th seeded team ever won an MVP. I remember reading somewhere that the last time a player won MVP and wasn't on a TOP 3 TEAM was Moses Malone in 1981. His Rockets team were the 6th seed. Westbrook isn't getting the Thunder a top 3 seed so history is really against him.

Yea the rise of the rockets means its probably 5th seed at best for OKC which means MVP for Westbrook is unlikely.

mtron929 · Post #1233 » by **mtron929** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 5:03 pm

This is how mindboggling great Lebron is. Right now, Westbrook and Harden are putting up monster stats that are some of the best we've seen in the last few decades. However, I still think Lebron is better than both of them. And this is not even the peak/prime Lebron version.

K_chile22 · Post #1234 » by **K_chile22** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 5:04 pm

Just some food for thought, Rockets are 3.5 games behind the Warriors. Thunder are 4.5 games behind the Rockets.

Post #1235 » by **ken6199** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 5:17 pm

jwise44 wrote:
te887848 wrote:Great race so far with some superstar players. My current favorites are:

1. Curry
2. Durant
3. Harden
4. LeBron
5. Kawhi
6. Westbrook

Even if you are picking a dubs player how is curry over Durant? (And that's just if you chose to go that way

Having Curry over Durant is not the biggest flaw in his ranking. That 1-6 list is so wrong it's beyond fixable. Of course, it's his opinion and he is entitled to that.

walk with me · Post #1236 » by **walk with me** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 6:18 pm

mtron929 wrote:This is how mindboggling great Lebron is. Right now, Westbrook and Harden are putting up monster stats that are some of the best we've seen in the last few decades. However, I still think Lebron is better than both of them. And this is not even the peak/prime Lebron version.

peds are mindbogglingly great also

ChartFiction · Post #1237 » by **ChartFiction** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 6:30 pm

It's just going to go back and forth between Harden and Westbrook throughout the season.

The reluctance to say that they're the best player is because that always happens. The first season someone does something amazing, we label it as an amazing season rather than putting all of those descriptions on the player himself. If they repeat their performance next season, that's when the "best player in the league" debates will start.

RaptorsLife · Post #1238 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 6:49 pm

its definitely james harden mvp to lose right now

te887848 · Post #1239 » by **te887848** » Mon Jan 2, 2017 3:13 am

He won't win it because Harden's stats and record will likely be superior (and Harden 100% deserves it), but Chris Paul is as valuable as any player in the league to his own team. The Clippers are a pitiful franchise without him.

Patches Perry · Post #1240 » by **Patches Perry** » Mon Jan 2, 2017 4:16 am

It's Harden or Westbrook at this point. I was firmly on the Harden bandwagon, but I think Westbrook is right there too. Roughly 31/11/10 on a team paced to win 50 games. That's absurd. Harden is also doing unreal things though. At this point, it's one of these two no question about it.