We need to go 29-18 to tie last year's record

[Han Solo]

Looks bad for us when you see that number. This team doesn't look capable of achieving this.

[Burton]

Wonder if we make it to 29 wins total for the season :/

[DBC10]

Yeah, I think we're on pace to get the 7th pick at this rate. Not going to have much hope we're going to get through these slumps because there's been no real bright spots except Tobias off the bench and KCP's improvements. At least we got young talent in SJ and Ellenson to look forward to if we commit to a stealth tank this year.

Couldn't we stealth tank for Josh Jackson (Hometown hero) and advertise that for next year for the Pistons' homecoming to downtown? I feel like that would get more potential revenue for Gores rather than this group we're trotting out that isn't exciting at all.

[Pandev]

Biggest difference is Drummond and Reggie. They were by far our best players last season.

This year, they're not leading this team anywhere - Dre especially looking like he's just going through the motions, and hadn't shown an extra gear where he or Reggie are taking over the game.

[MotownMadness]

Yeah, I think we're on pace to get the 7th pick at this rate. Not going to have much hope we're going to get through these slumps because there's been no real bright spots except Tobias off the bench and KCP's improvements. At least we got young talent in SJ and Ellenson to look forward to if we commit to a stealth tank this year.

Couldn't we stealth tank for Josh Jackson (Hometown hero) and advertise that for next year for the Pistons' homecoming to downtown? I feel like that would get more potential revenue for Gores rather than this group we're trotting out that isn't exciting at all.

Give me the 7th pick and hope we win the lottery for Jackson

[ImHeisenberg]

Yeah, I think we're on pace to get the 7th pick at this rate.

Couldn't we stealth tank for Josh Jackson (Hometown hero) and advertise that for next year for the Pistons' homecoming to downtown? I feel like that would get more potential revenue for Gores rather than this group we're trotting out that isn't exciting at all.

7th pick would be sweet! Josh Jackson would be even better.

There's more hope in a draft pick than chasing the 8th seed and swept two years in a row. Han is on point here, this team isn't going 29-18, we're probably going to finish a little over 30 wins total.

[ImHeisenberg]

Give me the 7th pick and hope we win the lottery for Jackson

Smith or Fultz would be pretty nice too. Get someone who can actually play point guard.

[DBC10]

I mean, I'd be down for a nice pick in this forgettable season. Our so called self-crowned "stars" in RJ and Dre can't lead a team anyways since they've been exposed.

Like Heisenberg said, getting the 8th seed at this rate would be a travesty and this is seemingly looking like the 2013 Josh Smith losing season. Where people are firmly stuck between a rock and a hard place in deciding what they want to see from the team (playoffs vs pick). Regardless, we're going to go on a meaningless win streak toward the end because "hurr durr finishing the season strong" and land us a 14th pick or similar, that's almost a foolish guarantee this franchise seem to be cursed with.

[Laimbeer]

[DETermination]

I still have some hope that we can turn this season around, the good thing is I don't think the east is as good as it was last season and teams could get into the playoffs in the east with a .500 or maybe even below .500 record this season.

[Cowology]

We have the talent to do it. Theoretically we have pieces that fit well enough. Things just haven't clicked since Reggie returned, but we aren't out of it yet.

It's really up to SVG to figure out how to put guys in situations where they can succeed. There is no reason a team with the same starting lineup and a much improved bench, with internal growth from guys like KCP, Stanley etc can't be better than lady season. None. Fix it.

[mattao313]

I'll get my hope up when we finally beat some good teams.

[Finn McCool]

Marcus 'March' Morris will show up a couple of weeks before St. Patrick's Day. Regrettably, the team will probably go on a nice run... so that people can go into next season with an artificial belief in his effectiveness.

I could probably put my comments in a better thread, but I will just put them in here.

I have, since Drummond's drafting, been critical of the guy's effort and overall determination to be a superior piece of the Pistons' arsenal. I am vexed that he was given the type of contract that he received from the Pistons... and that I was hoping a trade would happen before the deadline last season, even though I thought the chances were as close to nil as possible. It is very hard for me to support people who have exhibited numerous times with how little effort they can display. I question his ambitiousness and toughness... and now he can just have his money on his mind and his mind on his money. Which is causing me to believe he will continue to underwhelm some fans. He wants to be popular and admired, but he wont get the kind of admiration from me unless he changes his modus operendi of pouting when his offensive performances have become less than mediocre.

Regarding Reggie: Well, put me in the group of those who don't think too highly of him, either. I used to be envious that OKC had him as a back-up. I used to believe when he was at Boston College that he would make a great back-up. However, while I may have been right, I never saw the character and attitude that I now notice every other game. Plain and simple, Reggie is worse than Drummond in wanting adoration. To me, he wants to be worshiped. Like the lone standing gladiator back in the Roman Coliseum days. He is a complete narcissist. It's almost uncomfortable to watch. Here in my household we have given him several names, including 'the arsonist'. A guy who wants to be heroic for putting out fires in the end of games... but is dubiously suspect as one who starts many of those fires.

These 3 previously mentioned players are among the problem of what ails the Pistons. You can't have your starting corps with 3 egocentric individuals running things... especially with a coach that seems to ignore at convenient times, that these players need to be held accountable for their actions, behavior and attitudes.

Thus, leading to that sawed-off, mustache-wearing, overpaid, Teletubby we call a coach. He needs to get some backbone. Limited accountability... and when it happens, it is often aimed in the wrong direction... because he doesn't have the humility to suggest he made mistakes at the level he has made them. Top 3 Salary (from hoopshype), apparently. For this?

Reggie and Tobias need not share the floor much. Tobias takes too much of the spotlight away from Reggie, and I presume Jackson doesn't appreciate it. So the other day, Leuer didn't get many touches. I have to laugh, because it was a game earleir in which Jon led the team in scoring. Reggie is a punk. Van Gundy has my full support to trade him. Unfortunately, with salaries the way they are, it might mean that the Pistons get another compromised player in return.

I wished we had the salaries that could facilitate the perfect trade, but I don't think it's feasible. We might have to just take character over perceived talent.

I would love to have some guys like Clint Capela(healthy), Otto Porter, Elfrid Payton and Dwight Powell on this team. Efficient over-achievers, to me. I'd trade Drummond, Jackson and Morrris and even throw in Stanley ((if the Pistons could realistically fit the salaries)) to grab John Wall and Otto Porter.

Rant over. My apologies for carrying on and if I said anything that may have offended anyone.

[whitehops]

so there's 46 games left which is still a bunch of time (more than half a season). last year at this point we were 20-16, right now we're 16-20.

teams go on runs and hot streaks all the time. last year we finished the season 17-9 (.654) which is better than 28-18 (.609) in terms of win percentage. last year, after we started 20-16, we went 7-13 (.350) before that final 17-9 stretch. we definitely need to go above .500 in the next 20 or so games to have a good chance at a post-ASG push but it's not out of the equation.

and in the end, all that really matters is making the playoffs and HOW we're playing at that time. your record early in the year means next to nothing towards the end of the year other than for seeding. my favourite example is the raps a few years ago. they were one of the best teams in the league for the first half the year, played about .500 or a little under the second half the year and even though they finished with a higher seed and much better win total than their first round opponent, they got swept because they were playing like a sub .500 team.


so yeah, in summary we definitely need to play better/more consistently but i'm not as concerned with matching the team's W/L total of last year, just that they make the playoffs and are playing at a high level at that point.

[mattao313]

so there's 46 games left which is still a bunch of time (more than half a season). last year at this point we were 20-16, right now we're 16-20.

teams go on runs and hot streaks all the time. last year we finished the season 17-9 (.654) which is better than 28-18 (.609) in terms of win percentage. last year, after we started 20-16, we went 7-13 (.350) before that final 17-9 stretch. we definitely need to go above .500 in the next 20 or so games to have a good chance at a post-ASG push but it's not out of the equation.

and in the end, all that really matters is making the playoffs and HOW we're playing at that time. your record early in the year means next to nothing towards the end of the year other than for seeding. my favourite example is the raps a few years ago. they were one of the best teams in the league for the first half the year, played about .500 or a little under the second half the year and even though they finished with a higher seed and much better win total than their first round opponent, they got swept because they were playing like a sub .500 team.


so yeah, in summary we definitely need to play better/more consistently but i'm not as concerned with matching the team's W/L total of last year, just that they make the playoffs and are playing at a high level at that point.

Its just that its so much different than last season. The starting 5 was rolling and you could never count them out a game, it was always a chance in the 4th we would come back. This season guys complaining about shots and blowout galore, Drummond gets his contract and is in full coast mode. It's hard to compare to last season.

[theBigLip]

This is a shocking number. I still think we make the playoffs, but the season has certainly been a letdown so far.

[Cowology]

Are we better or worse if Reggie doesn't miss the beginning of the season? A lot of our chemistry issues might be worked out by now. Our we could be even further down the path of self-destruction. Is Dre better? Is KCP worse? I really don't know.

[MotownMadness]

so there's 46 games left which is still a bunch of time (more than half a season). last year at this point we were 20-16, right now we're 16-20.

teams go on runs and hot streaks all the time. last year we finished the season 17-9 (.654) which is better than 28-18 (.609) in terms of win percentage. last year, after we started 20-16, we went 7-13 (.350) before that final 17-9 stretch. we definitely need to go above .500 in the next 20 or so games to have a good chance at a post-ASG push but it's not out of the equation.

and in the end, all that really matters is making the playoffs and HOW we're playing at that time. your record early in the year means next to nothing towards the end of the year other than for seeding. my favourite example is the raps a few years ago. they were one of the best teams in the league for the first half the year, played about .500 or a little under the second half the year and even though they finished with a higher seed and much better win total than their first round opponent, they got swept because they were playing like a sub .500 team.


so yeah, in summary we definitely need to play better/more consistently but i'm not as concerned with matching the team's W/L total of last year, just that they make the playoffs and are playing at a high level at that point.

Its just that its so much different than last season. The starting 5 was rolling and you could never count them out a game, it was always a chance in the 4th we would come back. This season guys complaining about shots and blowout galore, Drummond gets his contract and is in full coast mode. It's hard to compare to last season.

It's how these teams in our tier go. We will go on more runs and look good for 5 games and feel back on top of the world and then have another 5 game streak were we look like this or something. We are seeing it all around us with these eastern teams. We need a star somehow, I'm really jealous of the Bucks right now with young ass Giannis.

[Pharaoh]

so there's 46 games left which is still a bunch of time (more than half a season). last year at this point we were 20-16, right now we're 16-20.

teams go on runs and hot streaks all the time. last year we finished the season 17-9 (.654) which is better than 28-18 (.609) in terms of win percentage. last year, after we started 20-16, we went 7-13 (.350) before that final 17-9 stretch. we definitely need to go above .500 in the next 20 or so games to have a good chance at a post-ASG push but it's not out of the equation.

and in the end, all that really matters is making the playoffs and HOW we're playing at that time. your record early in the year means next to nothing towards the end of the year other than for seeding. my favourite example is the raps a few years ago. they were one of the best teams in the league for the first half the year, played about .500 or a little under the second half the year and even though they finished with a higher seed and much better win total than their first round opponent, they got swept because they were playing like a sub .500 team.


so yeah, in summary we definitely need to play better/more consistently but i'm not as concerned with matching the team's W/L total of last year, just that they make the playoffs and are playing at a high level at that point.

Its just that its so much different than last season. The starting 5 was rolling and you could never count them out a game, it was always a chance in the 4th we would come back. This season guys complaining about shots and blowout galore, Drummond gets his contract and is in full coast mode. It's hard to compare to last season.

It's how these teams in our tier go. We will go on more runs and look good for 5 games and feel back on top of the world and then have another 5 game streak were we look like this or something. We are seeing it all around us with these eastern teams. We need a star somehow, I'm really jealous of the Bucks right now with young ass Giannis.

The East in a nutshell!

Outside the top 3 it's crazy

There is hope...we just gotta get it going

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