The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[TheOGJabroni]

At this point you might get Jordan for something surprising, like Crowder, Zeller, Jerebko, Zizic, MEM 1st..

I'd be surprised if that's all it would take, but I'd do it. Couple things though; I'd rather offer up Bradley as we have a replacement for him with Smart (of course we have Brown for Crowder but it's pretty clear Stevens doesn't think he's ready yet). Also, wasn't there a rumor that Doc was interested in Bradley anyway?

Secondly, I do wonder if DJ is a Stevens type of player. He seems to value well-rounded players most. DJ is phenomenal at a few things (defense & rebounding, which are also clear needs for this team) but limited in other aspects of his game. Just food for thought.

Thomas / Rozier
Smart
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Jordan / Johnson

Nice team though. I'd like to try to steal away one of their SGs for depth too.

[jmr07019]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

[Andrew McCeltic]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

Butler would have to be as impactful as Lebron or Steph Curry - he'd be the best player on the team, those are the championship players. And/or Noel would have to leap to DPOY level mid season.

[Green89]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

Why do so many believe we are a notch below Toronto? They've lost to Cleveland 3 times, Golden State twice, and the Clippers when they were healthy. They've had luck with health and an easier schedule than us. The best team they've beaten is Houston, who we would have beaten if not for Horford's missed layup. Our starting unit when healthy has a better winning percentage. We can finish with a better record than them even not making a move. Add another piece and we'll be even more above them.

I just don't know why the media and some posters here are so convinced they are a notch better than us. They're not and one or both of Derozan and Lowry will be missing some games down the stretch as history shows they don't play all 82. Now, if they were to add Millsap, that's different, as it would put them over us.

[jmr07019]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

Butler would have to be as impactful as Lebron or Steph Curry - he'd be the best player on the team, those are the championship players. And/or Noel would have to leap to DPOY level mid season.

I do think that team would/should be the best defensive team in the league. Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Butler, Horford and Noel have all received votes for the all defense teams in the past 2 years. Guys to lock down pgs (Bradley), SGs (Smart), SFs (Crowder, Butler) and bigs (Noel, Horford) plus weakside shot blocking (Noel, Horford).

Your top scorers on offense are getting 28 ppg on 61 TS% (Thomas), 25 ppg on 59 TS% (Butler). You have two of the better stretch bigs in the game (Olynyk, Horford) and 2 elite shooters hitting 40% from 3 on 5 attempts a game (Bradley, Crowder).

The team is very deep. Olynyk is your 8th man and the worst player but he's still a positive on the court. Your rotation features no real weak spots.

IT (32) / Smart (16)
Bradley (32) / Smart (16)
Butler (32) / Crowder (16)
Horford (32) / Crowder (10) / KO (6)
Noel (30) / KO (18)

There's a ton of talent on that team. Only Horford is a threat to decline due to age in the next 3-4 years. IT, AB, Smart, Noel, KO, Crowder, Butler could all still improve. Most of them did from last season to this. At some point you gotta take your shot. I would go to war with that team.

[TheOGJabroni]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

In this scenario, in tiers:

1a. GSW
1b. Cleveland
3a. LAC
3b. Boston
5. Toronto

Are we giving up all the BK picks in these hypothetical deals?

[Slax]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

Butler would have to be as impactful as Lebron or Steph Curry - he'd be the best player on the team, those are the championship players. And/or Noel would have to leap to DPOY level mid season.

I do think that team would/should be the best defensive team in the league. Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Butler, Horford and Noel have all received votes for the all defense teams in the past 2 years. Guys to lock down pgs (Bradley), SGs (Smart), SFs (Crowder, Butler) and bigs (Noel, Horford) plus weakside shot blocking (Noel, Horford).

Your top scorers on offense are getting 28 ppg on 61 TS% (Thomas), 25 ppg on 59 TS% (Butler). You have two of the better stretch bigs in the game (Olynyk, Horford) and 2 elite shooters hitting 40% from 3 on 5 attempts a game (Bradley, Crowder).

The team is very deep. Olynyk is your 8th man and the worst player but he's still a positive on the court. Your rotation features no real weak spots.

IT (32) / Smart (16)
Bradley (32) / Smart (16)
Butler (32) / Crowder (16)
Horford (32) / Crowder (10) / KO (6)
Noel (30) / KO (18)

There's a ton of talent on that team. Only Horford is a threat to decline due to age in the next 3-4 years. IT, AB, Smart, Noel, KO, Crowder, Butler could all still improve. Most of them did from last season to this. At some point you gotta take your shot. I would go to war with that team.

I agree with you on this. That team is a step beneath GSW and CLE because it isn't really on the same level in terms of pure talent, but it's so incredibly balanced and deep that I think it would be competitive with them and contend for a championship if the core rotation all stayed healthy. Interesting to think about, at least.

[jmr07019]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

In this scenario, in tiers:

1a. GSW
1b. Cleveland
3a. LAC
3b. Boston
5. Toronto

Are we giving up all the BK picks in these hypothetical deals?

I was thinking Zeller, Jerebko, Brown, 17 Brooklyn pick and Boston 18 pick for Butler

Rozier and Memphis pick for Noel

So we keep the 18 Brooklyn pick.

[TheOGJabroni]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

In this scenario, in tiers:

1a. GSW
1b. Cleveland
3a. LAC
3b. Boston
5. Toronto

Are we giving up all the BK picks in these hypothetical deals?

I was thinking Zeller, Jerebko, Brown, 17 Brooklyn pick and Boston 18 pick for Butler

Rozier and Memphis pick for Noel

So we keep the 18 Brooklyn pick.

Gotcha, any type of deal like that for Butler, I am cool with. I just hate the idea of giving up both BK picks. In this case, since it doesn't make us the favorites (in my opinion), I like the idea of holding on to that BK 18 pick as one last chance of getting another future all star.

[jrob23]

maybe we don't make a trade and accept our fate this season. Take best player available with BK17. Have way better depth with Yabusele, Zizic and BK17. Then add another top flight talent in a loaded 2018 draft class. Keep pretending for these few years until the kids grow and develop together...then be a legit championship contender for a decade.

The only trade that makes it worth giving up all of that and might get us a championship sooner..is AD and maybe Cousins. Unless it's one of those guys it's pointless because it won't put us over the top and the cost will derail our rebuild.

[SmartWentCrazy]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

I, personally, love that team. Being able to roll out an AB-Butler-Crowder-Horford-Noel lineup has unbelievable defensive and switching potential. Would be incredibly fun to watch, too.

I don't know if it's a serious title team, but that defensive depth makes them a very tough out for any team.

It's an interesting thought experiment at the very least. Surround two of the best slashers in the game with three elite 3&D options. Takes advantage of our current roster construction to present a very unique team.

[Andrew McCeltic]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

Butler would have to be as impactful as Lebron or Steph Curry - he'd be the best player on the team, those are the championship players. And/or Noel would have to leap to DPOY level mid season.

I do think that team would/should be the best defensive team in the league. Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Butler, Horford and Noel have all received votes for the all defense teams in the past 2 years. Guys to lock down pgs (Bradley), SGs (Smart), SFs (Crowder, Butler) and bigs (Noel, Horford) plus weakside shot blocking (Noel, Horford).

Your top scorers on offense are getting 28 ppg on 61 TS% (Thomas), 25 ppg on 59 TS% (Butler). You have two of the better stretch bigs in the game (Olynyk, Horford) and 2 elite shooters hitting 40% from 3 on 5 attempts a game (Bradley, Crowder).

The team is very deep. Olynyk is your 8th man and the worst player but he's still a positive on the court. Your rotation features no real weak spots.

IT (32) / Smart (16)
Bradley (32) / Smart (16)
Butler (32) / Crowder (16)
Horford (32) / Crowder (10) / KO (6)
Noel (30) / KO (18)

There's a ton of talent on that team. Only Horford is a threat to decline due to age in the next 3-4 years. IT, AB, Smart, Noel, KO, Crowder, Butler could all still improve. Most of them did from last season to this. At some point you gotta take your shot. I would go to war with that team.

Yeah, it might turn out to be greater than the sum of its parts. Depends on what the trade price is for Butler and Noel. If it's BKN 18 and Rozier to PHI, Noel and Butler to BOS, Okafor, Zeller, Jerebko, Young and LA 17 to Chicago, I'm in. Hayward can keep losing in Utah.

[ConstableGeneva]

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JUST TRADE US JIMMY BUTLER ALREADY, GEDDEMMIT!!

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JUST TRADE US JIMMY BUTLER ALREADY, GEDDEMMIT!!

Jimmy Buckets currently on 50/12/6/3/1 Just saying........

[Marvel]

Jimmy putting on a MJ esque performance. Dude can score from anywhere on the court and his passing game is much improved. LETS GET HIM!!

[brackdan70]

Jimmy Butler can score 50 points too....i think we should trade for him.

[ConstableGeneva]

Jimmy Butler can score 50 points too....i think we should trade for him.

IT scored 52 on 26 shots. Jimmy one-upped him, did it on 24 lol. GIMME JIMMMMAYYYY!!!

[CelticFaninLBC]

Give me Butler over Paul George.

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Jimmy Butler can score 50 points too....i think we should trade for him.

IT scored 52 on 26 shots. Jimmy one-upped him, did it on 24 lol. GIMME JIMMMMAYYYY!!!

And 12b/6a

[brackdan70]

prisoner of the moment
for Butler
Bradley or Crowder plus Brown and the 2017 Brooklyn pick and 2019 memphis pick along with necessary filler (Zeller)
would you do it?