GT: Brooklyn Grit @ Washington Wiz - Friday, 12/30/16 7:00pm

[TinmanZBoy]

whatever meeting they had, they should talk about the defense... it is not going to be pretty for Skil...

[TTNN]

1) every NBA team rests players.

2) there are no "winnable" games for this team since we have a serious lack of talent and inexperience. Every game is an uphill battle.

3) The team went out there against the Wizards and for the first time, did not compete. That isn't on the GM or the coach.

4) The strongest players on this team all play the most minutes. Who do you want to sit exactly?

And Booker and RHJ are two of the only players outside of Lin, Whitehead and LeVert that play defense. RHJ has played pretty well. Their decision making aside, you can't give any justifiable reason as to why they should not play.

Not sure your point is that the team is playing for the win all the time, or you are just trying to against whatever I said, (I mean for the sake of argument, not means you are targeting me personally, need to make that clear.). Because I'm trying to say I don't feel this team is trying to play for the win, and that could be a problem to get player buy-in to their play style. Apparently, you don't agree, but your examples raised do not support that way.

I'm not trying to say whether not playing for the win is right or wrong. (there is no right or wrong for that, of course, there is I like or I don't like part, but it is not what I like is always right.)

So just for the sake of argument, (since I'm not sure I get what's your opinion is, hard to argue that way.)

1) Every NBA team rest players, but they rest players for playoffs, but Nets is not a playoff team. And give me an example of non-playoff team rest players.

2) Every game is a "winnable" game if you use your full force you could. Resting healthy players don't give you "full strength you could", and Nets is not a team that you could still hope for a win with one key player resting.

3) Player effort is different from team strategy, and as for last game, player no-show could not be blamed on coach and GM, but that does not serve as a counter argument. That does not prove coach and GM are always playing for the win either.

4) When you play a 12 guy rotation, I'd say play more of the first 9, and cut minutes from the last 3, which is a pretty logical way to play your strongest player longer minutes. Just because they played longest on the team does not means they played long enough minutes.

1) Teams rest players for body maintenance.

2) You act as if the Nets rest players every other game. They don't. Getting mad at them for resting Brook before we played against two top teams doesn't make sense, especially when the Nets kept it very competitive versus Golden State.

3) The idea that they coach and GM don't aim to win games is ridiculous considering the fact that we don't own our own draft pick until 2019

4) The "strongest players" all lead the team in minutes. Also, we play at the highest pace in the league, you have to take that into consideration when expressing displeasure that the Nets aren't running Brook Lopez into the ground by playing him 36 mins.

You really have a bully style of discussion with people who have a different opinion to you.

what I said was :

When you play a 12 guy rotation, I'd say play more of the first 9, and cut minutes from the last 3, which is a pretty logical way to play your strongest player longer minutes. Just because they played longest on the team does not means they played long enough minutes

and it becomes this in your take:

we play at the highest pace in the league, you have to take that into consideration when expressing displeasure that the Nets aren't running Brook Lopez into the ground by playing him 36 mins.

What an exaggeration and totally shift my opinion, it is getting ridiculous now.

And I have to come to the big logic hole you have here about fastest pace in the league. Yes, we are the fastest at 104.1. The top 10 teams in the league in pace are ranging from 99.96 to 104.1, that's within 5% variation. However, within these top 10 fast pace teams, 7 teams have 4 or more players average more than 28 min/game, and one team has 3 players average more than 28 min/game. Only Lakers other than Nets who have only one player higher than 28 min. GSW has 102.69 in pace, yet they have 4 players average more than 32 min per game. HOU has 100.98 pace, and they have 5 players average more than 30 min per game.

So, no, I don't take that fastest pace consideration, and one don't need to run Lopez into the ground to achieve that.

[Prokorov]

What an exaggeration and totally shift my opinion, it is getting ridiculous now.

And I have to come to the big logic hole you have here about fastest pace in the league. Yes, we are the fastest at 104.1. The top 10 teams in the league in pace are ranging from 99.96 to 104.1, that's within 5% variation. However, within these top 10 fast pace teams, 7 teams have 4 or more players average more than 28 min/game, and one team has 3 players average more than 28 min/game. Only Lakers other than Nets who have only one player higher than 28 min. GSW has 102.69 in pace, yet they have 4 players average more than 32 min per game. HOU has 100.98 pace, and they have 5 players average more than 30 min per game.

So, no, I don't take that fastest pace consideration, and one don't need to run Lopez into the ground to achieve that.

MDB is right...

Lopez cant play heavy minutes. we have seen how pathetically awful he is late in games when he does... or even in the middle of games with longer stretches on the floor. he was STANDING (not walking up and down but litterally standing and not moving) for back to back possessions vs the hawks in that playoff game where he posted 40 minutes. was at midcourt and never moved the nets break and atalnta going the other way. he was so gassed he couldnt even get up the floor before our shots were going up.

Beyond that "giving more minutes to our strong players" makes no sense in a throw away season where wins dont matter and the focus is on development. we need minutes to go to guys who we need to show improvement in there game. lin, lopez, booker getting more minutes doesnt matter except to lin fans who dont care about the nets or people who are delusional and cant accept we have the least talent in the league.

[TTNN]

What an exaggeration and totally shift my opinion, it is getting ridiculous now.

And I have to come to the big logic hole you have here about fastest pace in the league. Yes, we are the fastest at 104.1. The top 10 teams in the league in pace are ranging from 99.96 to 104.1, that's within 5% variation. However, within these top 10 fast pace teams, 7 teams have 4 or more players average more than 28 min/game, and one team has 3 players average more than 28 min/game. Only Lakers other than Nets who have only one player higher than 28 min. GSW has 102.69 in pace, yet they have 4 players average more than 32 min per game. HOU has 100.98 pace, and they have 5 players average more than 30 min per game.

So, no, I don't take that fastest pace consideration, and one don't need to run Lopez into the ground to achieve that.

MDB is right...

Lopez cant play heavy minutes. we have seen how pathetically awful he is late in games when he does... or even in the middle of games with longer stretches on the floor. he was STANDING (not walking up and down but litterally standing and not moving) for back to back possessions vs the hawks in that playoff game where he posted 40 minutes. was at midcourt and never moved the nets break and atalnta going the other way. he was so gassed he couldnt even get up the floor before our shots were going up.

Beyond that "giving more minutes to our strong players" makes no sense in a throw away season where wins dont matter and the focus is on development. we need minutes to go to guys who we need to show improvement in there game. lin, lopez, booker getting more minutes doesnt matter except to lin fans who dont care about the nets or people who are delusional and cant accept we have the least talent in the league.

All I was trying to say is and have repeated and emphasised multiple time is:

I'm trying to say I don't feel this team is trying to play for the win, and that could be a problem to get player buy-in to their play style.

And I listed 4 points supporting my argument, because Nets resting players, because we are not playing strongest players longer minutes, etc.,

And MDB don't agree, with this

The idea that they coach and GM don't aim to win games is ridiculous considering the fact that we don't own our own draft pick until 2019

And then I got accused by MDB about my

displeasure that the Nets aren't running Brook Lopez into the ground by playing him 36 mins.

So now, you come say MDB is right....

with

Beyond that "giving more minutes to our strong players" makes no sense in a throw away season where wins dont matter and the focus is on development.

uh???

So you are basically supporting my argument that Nets is not playing for the win for this season, since it is a throw away season, which is totally different from MDB who think that thought is "ridiculous"

The funny thing is, even though you and MDB have totally different opinions, but you don't hesitate to say he is right. And even though you two are holding totally opposite opinions, I got accused as one of the Lin fans who

lin fans who dont care about the nets or people who are delusional and cant accept we have the least talent in the league.

hmm, where is that comes from?

All I'm saying is that;

I don't feel this team is trying to play for the win, and that could be a problem to get player buy-in to their play style.

I'm not saying we should go for the win, I'm not saying we should play Lopez till he die, I'm not saying we should do what, I only said that because we are not playing for the win, it will be harder to get player buy-in to the style the team want to play.

I don't understand why people here has to make it so hard for fans to comment on this board about their opinion just because I'm a Lin fan. And I'm talking about an opinion regarding a game that Lin didn't even play in, with a team player only teaming that Lin wasn't even in it, and from the start to the end, I have been talking all about the team, the players on the team, and not even related to anything Lin-related, and yet I got attacked by my Lin fan status, this is beyond ridiculous now.

oh, I should add, I got attacked by the opinions that's not even mine, but "assumed is mine".

[Prokorov]

I'm trying to say I don't feel this team is trying to play for the win, and that could be a problem to get player buy-in to their play style.

This season is about development.... of course they want to win but they arent going to sit guys down for mistakes or not play young guys late in games to get the best chance to win. because wins dont matter much at this point in the rebuild. If the players dont buy in, you get new players. no one here is good enough to stick around if they cant see and buy into the long term picture.

So you are basically supporting my argument that Nets is not playing for the win for this season, since it is a throw away season, which is totally different from MDB who think that thought is "ridiculous"

The funny thing is, even though you and MDB have totally different opinions, but you don't hesitate to say he is right. And even though you two are holding totally opposite opinions, I got accused as one of the Lin fans who

We have the same opinion. playing brook more then 30-32 minutes is a bad idea if you want to get the most out of him. playing brook more does not help your chances to win in most cases. this is the best he has played, and its because he isnt giving you 10 minutes a game where is so tired he cant even go the slow speed he normally does

I don't feel this team is trying to play for the win, and that could be a problem to get player buy-in to their play style.

They are trying to win. they arent doing everything to win. there is a subtle but important difference. its not like they are trying to lose. they are trying to win while also doing as much as possible to develop guys. players are clearly buying in. if they stop buying in, you get rid of them.

I'm not saying we should go for the win, I'm not saying we should play Lopez till he die, I'm not saying we should do what, I only said that because we are not playing for the win, it will be harder to get player buy-in to the style the team want to play.

if they dont buy in you trade/release/deactive them