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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#261 » by CJackson » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:00 am

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Phil has had more pull with Dolan than anyone ever has, and that includes Melo. It even includes Isiah. Say what you will about Dolan, but he's not a total idiot. He's a very rich businessman, with the type of money that would put Melo's bank account to shame, and he put Phil in total control of one of his greatest assets (the entire Knicks franchise).

Melo is merely a player, and WAS a star. That star is fading fast, and Dolan would have to be brain dead to "side" with Melo at this point. I honestly believe Dolan would be all ears if Phil went to him and said, "look Jim.. I kept Melo on board like you wished, and I tried to build a winner around him with what we had to work with, but it's not going well and Melo is declining rapidly. It's clear to see that KP is our guy to build around, and luckily we've set ourselves up with a plan B, C and D in the likely event that Melo doesn't pan out as a championship caliber leader/contract. Let's try to nudge Melo in another direction, let Derrick walk, and let's get started on plan B or C because it's your best chance at fielding a winner any time soon".

Is that really so hard to believe? I think Dolan bending over for Melo is a myth at this point. It seems to me that he bent over for Phil a while ago, and that he practically wants nothing to do with the team at this point in his life. Add the sudden star power of KP, and I don't think Dolan would bat an eye at getting rid of a washed up Melo. Business is business.

As for Melo getting his number retired- I think that's another one of those things you've been pedaling as a fact when it's very far from a guarantee. Melo has put up some gaudy numbers, made the all-star team every year, and had a couple of "historic moments" in the garden during what was mostly a meaningless tenure as a Knick. Cool. Truth is, he hasn't helped this team win jack sh*t besides the pick that landed us KP. Hasn't even taken this team to the playoffs more than twice. One of those years, he needed a slew of vets to provide all the leadership. The other, he came in half way through the year after Amar'e did most of the leg work, and after he forced a trade here months before becoming a FA and depleted the team like the bozo that he is. What has he done to deserve his name in the rafters anymore than Bernard King or even Houston/Spree???

Only thing Melo has been successful with in NY has been his own personal business. And I tip my cap to him for that because I wish I had his money. But purely from a Knicks fan's perspective, he's been a huge failure and proved to be about half the player LeBron and Wade are. Great scorer, decent rebounder, marketable dude, wonderful player on an Olympic team full of all-world talent that know how to play team ball and get him easy looks. And that's about it. A lot more than most NBA players could ever say, but still not enough for a highly paid guy who hi-jacked the franchise and continues to hi-jack the team's offense and hold the franchise hostage with a NTC he didn't deserve.

F your farewell tour and your spot in the rafters for Melo's number 7. Knicks fans don't wanna hear it. We never cared that much about the dude. We wanted to, but he never earned it. Plain and simple.


Solid post and totally realistic. Melo's juice is gone. The only thing that will keep him here is the NTC, but it is time to leave. He is going to be miserable if he stays because the way he plays now he is going to get booed mercilessly. He can remain a New Yorker. Lala can stay here. They can keep their L.A. home. If he insists on playing out his contract then he is just a glutton for punishment, because with his moodiness he is going to turn into a human pinata if he stays. People wouldn't do that if they felt like he gives a damn, but the average sensible person can see through the facade. He thinks he can coast on his born talents and that won't cut it when he is the grandpa on the court playing young bionic studs.


If you don't think things can get worse, then I don't know what else to say. We'll just have to see :D


Not following you Jason. I'm saying it will get worse for Melo if he stays because he is lazy and moody and Knicks fans will turn on him because of it.
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Post#262 » by SuperflyKnick » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:01 am

If only we kept that dam package and shipped it for chris Paul instead of melo
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Post#263 » by FutureKnicksGM » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:02 am

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He was thinking that either it works and we have a good team or it doesn't work and the team gets a good pick and Melo asks to be traded.

And that it was a 1 year experiment. That trade was not bad. What was bad was the follow up signings of Noah/Lee and then resigning Lance.


Noah/Lee aren't difference makers on their own but they're great complementary guys to have with a young team or a team trying to contend.


Noah is a not a great anything, hasn't been for a long time. Maybe a great tank commander. That's it.
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Post#264 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:02 am

Losing 8 of last 10....We are getting ready:

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Post#265 » by Besart19 » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:03 am

This is not Melo's fault... this team resigned him! Second, even if we tank hard and get the first overall pick, we would be a terrible team for another 2-3 or maybe more years... and KP is far from being a go-to-player... at least not until 2020
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Post#266 » by FutureKnicksGM » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:03 am

SuperflyKnick wrote:If only we kept that dam package and shipped it for chris Paul instead of melo


It would have gone to UTAH for D-Will. Melo saved us from an even worse situation.
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Post#267 » by NOOB77 » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:03 am

SuperflyKnick wrote:If only we kept that dam package and shipped it for chris Paul instead of melo



Yup because CP3 is a big time winner in this league. Shipping the players we did for Melo wasn't the problems all the moves after were.
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Post#268 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:03 am

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Solid post and totally realistic. Melo's juice is gone. The only thing that will keep him here is the NTC, but it is time to leave. He is going to be miserable if he stays because the way he plays now he is going to get booed mercilessly. He can remain a New Yorker. Lala can stay here. They can keep their L.A. home. If he insists on playing out his contract then he is just a glutton for punishment, because with his moodiness he is going to turn into a human pinata if he stays. People wouldn't do that if they felt like he gives a damn, but the average sensible person can see through the facade. He thinks he can coast on his born talents and that won't cut it when he is the grandpa on the court playing young bionic studs.


If you don't think things can get worse, then I don't know what else to say. We'll just have to see :D


Not following you Jason. I'm saying it will get worse for Melo if he stays because he is lazy and moody and Knicks fans will turn on him because of it.


I can see Dolan siding with Melo over Phil/Jeff because he is a future HOFer that wants to retire as a Knick.
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Post#269 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:04 am

FemaleDogPlease wrote:Carmelo has been through numerous coaches and teeamte over his years on the Knicks. There is no consistentency. Other players would ahve requested a trade already.

Knicks throwing other teams leftovers on the court.

Knicks can trade Carmelo to Clippers for Reddick and a few picks. However, the Knicks would probably be unwatchable.

Did u see the game tonight? They already are unwatchable.
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Post#270 » by ctorres » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:04 am

At this rate, Melo will not make it on the Allstar team, maybe that will be the wake up call he needs.

It is sad to see that Melo is losing his head. Melo needs help. He needs someone who can talk to him and reach him.

Looking more and more like Melo is gone. That footage of Melo calling for it with Hornacek walking away was all I needed to see.

Thanks Melo, you did what you could. Best of luck.

I would suggest that Melo talks to Lala and they work out a trade.
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Post#271 » by El Poochio » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:04 am

I can see the campaign against Melo now, this could be part of a big conspiracy regarding top top front office and NTC
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Post#272 » by CJackson » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:04 am

Adelheid wrote:Getting booed and heckled for the remainder of the RS and for the next 2 RS...sounds brutal I would say. Cant imagine one guy still wanting to stay in a place where he is not wanted.


Yes, Melo's inner circle has to see the writing on the wall. I think Melo may be a little slow on the uptake so he won't believe it will happen until it is too late. So his confidantes and advisors will tell him it is time to move on. Whether he will listen is another matter.

but it is coming. What I've said is mild compared to what Melo will feel when 5,000 people are going boo at the same time. He won't handle it well. Better that he departs before it happens, because you can count on it happening if he stays.
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Post#273 » by Besart19 » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:05 am

The only way to fix that is if we are able to trade Noah for an expiring and to strike gold on FA... any other option is just another long stretch of terrible/mediocre team... at least until 2020
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Post#274 » by drekwins » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:05 am

We need wings that can defend, put the ball of the floor, slash and create for others. I've never suggested for Gallo to return, like others have, but it's not a terrible idea to give Denver a call on Chandler and Gallinari. We would definitely not be worse off with them in place of Melo. I truly think we could win a lot of games with Tyson Chandler, Gall or Chandler and a guy like Barbosa. I have no idea how we get all of them. However, I'd like to figure out a way to get rid of Melo and Lance with those type of players in return.
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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#275 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:05 am

Besart19 wrote:This is not Melo's fault... this team resigned him! Second, even if we tank hard and get the first overall pick, we would be a terrible team for another 2-3 or maybe more years... and KP is far from being a go-to-player... at least not until 2020


You do realize that we're going to be terrible regardless right? Melo has NTC, Noah/Lance/Lee locked up for 3 more years.

We don't have to tank...we are so bad, we don't even have to...it's like a stealth tank...
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Post#276 » by Zooropa » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:06 am

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Post#277 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:07 am

drekwins wrote:We need wings that can defend, put the ball of the floor, slash and create for others. I've never suggested for Gallo to return, like others have, but it's not a terrible idea to give Denver a call on Chandler and Gallinari. We would definitely not be worse off with them in place of Melo. I truly think we could win a lot of games with Tyson Chandler, Gall or Chandler and a guy like Barbosa. I have no idea how we get all of them. However, I'd like to figure out a way to get rid of Melo and Lance with those type of players in return.


LOL @ calling Denver on Chandler and Gallo to replace Melo.

That would certainly give a special meaning to the idiom: "coming full circle."
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Post#278 » by Capn'O » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:08 am

El Poochio wrote:I can see the campaign against Melo now, this could be part of a big conspiracy regarding top top front office and NTC


Could have lit a fire under his ass too for a memorable season. Either way - Phil didn't want to finish mid-pack.
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Post#279 » by dablackprodigy » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:08 am

lol a 3 game win streak will fix everything
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Post#280 » by Damas » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:08 am

I told you guys that this team is trash but no no, win a couple of games and then we think we are hot ****. This is fringe playoff team that might scrape if a lot things go right. **** hell.

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