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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Wow, I just finished listening to Hornacek's post game interview. There is literally no hope for this team defensively. He pretty much conceded that the defense will probably continue to be an embarrassment, and there's not much he can do about it.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Separatista wrote:I'm going to open my BS notebook and put more BS into it. Let's see, Phil actually has a systematic (triangle) and elaborate scheme (media interviews) of tanking this season. It's beautiful to watch. Hire Jeff who's coaching philosophy is opposite to him (misdirection) and then non-challant gives Jeff authority to hire any assistants. But unknowingly traps him. How? Jeff looks like someone who like's to give back to his boss, easy way to do that to Phil is hire his buddy Rambis.El Poochio wrote:Its hard to see smart people like Dolan PJax Mills Houston and whoever is involved in front office to not realize what has been wrong with Knicks for past decades, not being bad enough, I genuinely think Tank Job could have been priority without doing blatantly, just like the last one we did, they are the New York Knicks, not Sixers, one of the biggest and most valuable franchises, they need to keep a face on, team not competing due to injuries is a better excuse
Trading Rolo was part of that conspiracy too maybe, and let Rose miss some games
Team started to fade (initiation of the master plan) as soon as Phil ended his relationship with Jeanie (commitment to the cause), coincidence? Or just another piece of the long term puzzle
Aha! Phil's winking at us the moment a paparazzi snap that stolen photo of them (Phil, Mills and Jeff) coming out of a restaurant.
The sabotage is clear (Rambis) the moment Jeff hire that goon. The pieces then collapse in its place; Noah injury in preseason, Rose trial and consequently missing practice (great excuse to not form a defensive scheme), pour money into the future assistant coach Lance Thomas, Phil already planted Sasha last season and he accomplished his mission in seducing KP.
So why do all this to tarnish his rep? Phil believes in the Basketball Gods. And the Bball gods hate tanking. It taints the sport. No sane coach or player or anyone involved in bball will confess to tanking in fear of divine retribution.
Phil and the Knicks are now in the process of tanking but in disguise of the team self destructing. Phil made a choice. It was cemented when e broke up with Jeanie. Phil has one goal in mind now. And Lord have mercy, it will be both the most ugly and beautiful basketball that will ever grace the court. KP is a mere glimpse of that bball heaven. PJax and his ring studded fingers will opened the bball heavenly gates to NY
blueNorange wrote:Greenie wrote:Get rid of everyone. Including KP.
nope, sorry
hernangomez, kristaps, lee, holiday, and TOP DRAFT are the core.
BBALLER4FR wrote:dakomish23 wrote:So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?
How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?
And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?
During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.
Nah. It's on #7 for that
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?
How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?
And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?
During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.
Nah. It's on #7 for that
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Jessie 2k18 wrote:Adelheid wrote:
do you have links? wanna see it.
I didn't see that , Did that really happen ? It goes to show you that everyone is getting frustrated .And it needs to stop .We bring in players ship them out and still the struggles continues .Yet no one can see that we have a serious problem ?Like I said either bench melo. I do think it will be good for him .Sometimes you need your ego to get bruised alittle to make you gain perspective about how you're playing as a leader how much you can effect a team when you just don't care enough . When does it start bothering melo ?
Adelheid wrote:dakomish23 wrote:So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?
How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?
And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?
During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.
Nah. It's on #7 for that
Cant do. LFT has the paygrade to have priority over anyone not paid more than him.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
TankCommander17 wrote:blueNorange wrote:Greenie wrote:Get rid of everyone. Including KP.
nope, sorry
hernangomez, kristaps, lee, holiday, and TOP DRAFT are the core.
Lee is 31. I'd trade him. I'd rather keep Kuz at 27 years of age. Also O'quinn.
But the others yeah I agree.
CJackson wrote:Separatista wrote:I'm going to open my BS notebook and put more BS into it. Let's see, Phil actually has a systematic (triangle) and elaborate scheme (media interviews) of tanking this season. It's beautiful to watch. Hire Jeff who's coaching philosophy is opposite to him (misdirection) and then non-challant gives Jeff authority to hire any assistants. But unknowingly traps him. How? Jeff looks like someone who like's to give back to his boss, easy way to do that to Phil is hire his buddy Rambis.El Poochio wrote:Its hard to see smart people like Dolan PJax Mills Houston and whoever is involved in front office to not realize what has been wrong with Knicks for past decades, not being bad enough, I genuinely think Tank Job could have been priority without doing blatantly, just like the last one we did, they are the New York Knicks, not Sixers, one of the biggest and most valuable franchises, they need to keep a face on, team not competing due to injuries is a better excuse
Trading Rolo was part of that conspiracy too maybe, and let Rose miss some games
Team started to fade (initiation of the master plan) as soon as Phil ended his relationship with Jeanie (commitment to the cause), coincidence? Or just another piece of the long term puzzle
Aha! Phil's winking at us the moment a paparazzi snap that stolen photo of them (Phil, Mills and Jeff) coming out of a restaurant.
The sabotage is clear (Rambis) the moment Jeff hire that goon. The pieces then collapse in its place; Noah injury in preseason, Rose trial and consequently missing practice (great excuse to not form a defensive scheme), pour money into the future assistant coach Lance Thomas, Phil already planted Sasha last season and he accomplished his mission in seducing KP.
So why do all this to tarnish his rep? Phil believes in the Basketball Gods. And the Bball gods hate tanking. It taints the sport. No sane coach or player or anyone involved in bball will confess to tanking in fear of divine retribution.
Phil and the Knicks are now in the process of tanking but in disguise of the team self destructing. Phil made a choice. It was cemented when e broke up with Jeanie. Phil has one goal in mind now. And Lord have mercy, it will be both the most ugly and beautiful basketball that will ever grace the court. KP is a mere glimpse of that bball heaven. PJax and his ring studded fingers will opened the bball heavenly gates to NY
The wait for the next episode of Game of Thrones must be sheer torture for you
dakomish23 wrote:Adelheid wrote:dakomish23 wrote:So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?
How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?
And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?
During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.
Nah. It's on #7 for that
Cant do. LFT has the paygrade to have priority over anyone not paid more than him.
But he wasn't even playing him when he was healthy all these games. Now he's starting him? Ditto for Sasha. That's ok with all these bench guys who have severely outplayed these guys?
GONYK wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Jessie 2k18 wrote:I didn't see that , Did that really happen ? It goes to show you that everyone is getting frustrated .And it needs to stop .We bring in players ship them out and still the struggles continues .Yet no one can see that we have a serious problem ?Like I said either bench melo. I do think it will be good for him .Sometimes you need your ego to get bruised alittle to make you gain perspective about how you're playing as a leader how much you can effect a team when you just don't care enough . When does it start bothering melo ?
That is not good...
Jeff really seems like he's ready to do something drastic. His press conference tonight was disheartening.
This is the first time I think a coach has the juice card on Melo, especially with Phil's backing. CJack...you may be right.
I'm interested to see what happens from here.
WesleyExChiFan wrote:If you want Carmelo to waive the NTC it's just a matter of threatening to waive and stretch him, just like what happened to Josh Smith. Once he realizes that he would end up getting claimed by Brooklyn or Philly he'd probably play ball. Brooklyn would pick him up for sure. They NEED to win games this year. No point in losing.
TankCommander17 wrote:Jeff has lost the team today. Because Jeff just basically told everyone in that locker room you guys suck at defense and its not due to lack of effort. You just suck. This is great for the tank but how do you come back from that? Because you basically put it all on your players and not your lack of preparation as a coach.
Tank! Tank! Tank!
HarthorneWingo wrote:Time for Phil to go to Melo and say "It's over. Figure out where you want to go." That's it.
GONYK wrote:NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Jessie 2k18 wrote:I didn't see that , Did that really happen ? It goes to show you that everyone is getting frustrated .And it needs to stop .We bring in players ship them out and still the struggles continues .Yet no one can see that we have a serious problem ?Like I said either bench melo. I do think it will be good for him .Sometimes you need your ego to get bruised alittle to make you gain perspective about how you're playing as a leader how much you can effect a team when you just don't care enough . When does it start bothering melo ?
That is not good...
Jeff really seems like he's ready to do something drastic. His press conference tonight was disheartening.
This is the first time I think a coach has the juice card on Melo, especially with Phil's backing. CJack...you may be right.
I'm interested to see what happens from here.
GONYK wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Adelheid wrote:
Cant do. LFT has the paygrade to have priority over anyone not paid more than him.
But he wasn't even playing him when he was healthy all these games. Now he's starting him? Ditto for Sasha. That's ok with all these bench guys who have severely outplayed these guys?
I don't think Lance has been healthy this whole season. It's either the pain is manageable that night or it isn't.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
