Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[Jessie 2k18]

So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?

How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?

And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?

During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.

Nah. It's on #7 for that

Somebody has to be the scapegoat.

As well as he should when your team and coach changes practically every year .And we trade players or they leave and we continue to still stink ? Who will we blame next year forbid if this keeps happening? Which I really hope not . Maybe Rudy gay if he comes here or Cp3 ,etc let's see plenty of FA next year we can blame once again, if this team continues to be pathetic like they have through out so many years .
Except for 1 or 2 yrs during amare era and when Knicks won 54 games with woodson .before that it has been a freaking disaster .The Knicks franchise needs holywater on their jerseys and on their homecourt .like I'm beginning to think we are jinxed .

[Dr. Detfink]

Greenie is right about one thing, trading 21-year old KP would actually give the Knicks something in return. The other 4 of these overpaid stank couldn't get you a second round pick. They're too old, too banged up, and have no where but down to go.

Pretty much like EVERY game this season, Melo was content trading shots with whoever the opposing team puts on him. There's a problem with that approach. The opposite team usually has a 10+ point lead on the Knicks. That doesn't do anything to cut into the lead because Melo isn't giving a damn about defense. All it does is waste time. By the time the opposition misses, that's 4 minutes later and the Knicks STILL haven't cut into the lead.

By the time the Knicks cut into the lead, they are too tired to take the lead and the other team pulls away.

Naw, this isn't about the triangle. This team just can't stand each other. Plain and simple. That goes from the players to the coach. Phil Jackson has to wonder, what do I do now?

[dakomish23]

Don't you guys ever get tired of blaming the coach? Like damn man you guys always blame each and every coach that signs up here.

Do you think he made the right move the last 4 games by not starting Holiday and instead starting Sasha / LFT? Two guys who have contributed next to nothing in all our W's?

Also don't know why he thinks an all bench lineup out there will do well despite all the evidence to the contrary this season.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I just don't get this line of thinking.

[TankCommander17]

Jeff has lost the team today. Because Jeff just basically told everyone in that locker room you guys suck at defense and its not due to lack of effort. You just suck. This is great for the tank but how do you come back from that? Because you basically put it all on your players and not your lack of preparation as a coach.

Tank! Tank! Tank!

He didn't lose players with pride.

That be Noah and Lee on the starters. Noah can't physically do anything anymore so all that pride won't translate into better defense. You know Melo took this badly and is probably sulking now. You know Rose did too. And or probably is going to "give effort" but he will still make dumb defensive plays and blame someone else.

It's over and I am glad. It's good for the tank.

[TankCommander17]

Greenie is right about one thing, trading 21-year old KP would actually give the Knicks something in return. The other 4 of these overpaid stank couldn't get you a second round pick. They're too old, too banged up, and have no where but down to go.

Pretty much like EVERY game this season, Melo was content trading shots with whoever the opposing team puts on him. There's a problem with that approach. The opposite team usually has a 10+ point lead on the Knicks. That doesn't do anything to cut into the lead because Melo isn't giving a damn about defense. All it does is waste time. By the time the opposition misses, that's 4 minutes later and the Knicks STILL haven't cut into the lead.

By the time the Knicks cut into the lead, they are too tired to take the lead and the other team pulls away.

Naw, this isn't about the triangle. This team just can't stand each other. Plain and simple. That goes from the players to the coach. Phil Jackson has to wonder, what do I do now?

Trading a 21 year old KP would give you something but that something would be much worse than 21 year old KP. So why even mention it. Anyone who wants KP traded is really dumb. Sorry but they are.

[ChaosHamster]

KP, Noah and two 1st for Cousins

lets go!

[NOOB77]

I don't think this is a player versus player problem I think it is player versus front office/coaching problem. I think for the most part our players get along.

KP and Melo yes
Rose and Melo yes
Noah and Melo yes.

Maybe the Bulls players have a problem with KP?

But I don't see a problem with the players towards each other more of how they are being coached or told how to play.

[3toheadmelo]

all of this is still mindblowing me..
we were doing so well like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff happened
it all started in the boston game, and we actually played well there too

[NOOB77]

Jeff has lost the team today. Because Jeff just basically told everyone in that locker room you guys suck at defense and its not due to lack of effort. You just suck. This is great for the tank but how do you come back from that? Because you basically put it all on your players and not your lack of preparation as a coach.

Tank! Tank! Tank!

He didn't lose players with pride.

Well who would that be? Lee? If he is indeed the mystery player that didn't sign up for this then I think he is lost also.

[spree8]

Greenie is right about one thing, trading 21-year old KP would actually give the Knicks something in return. The other 4 of these overpaid stank couldn't get you a second round pick. They're too old, too banged up, and have no where but down to go.

Pretty much like EVERY game this season, Melo was content trading shots with whoever the opposing team puts on him. There's a problem with that approach. The opposite team usually has a 10+ point lead on the Knicks. That doesn't do anything to cut into the lead because Melo isn't giving a damn about defense. All it does is waste time. By the time the opposition misses, that's 4 minutes later and the Knicks STILL haven't cut into the lead.

By the time the Knicks cut into the lead, they are too tired to take the lead and the other team pulls away.

Naw, this isn't about the triangle. This team just can't stand each other. Plain and simple. That goes from the players to the coach. Phil Jackson has to wonder, what do I do now?

Trading a 21 year old KP would give you something but that something would be much worse than 21 year old KP. So why even mention it. Anyone who wants KP traded is really dumb. Sorry but they are.

Depends on the reason...like I mentioned, I would consider it because he scares me as a potential injury risk later on. That Shawn Bradley type body makes me shudder sometimes when he does certain things...like I said, I really like him, but you gotta admit that's a concern.

[3toheadmelo]

"I don't think our guys aren't trying. Maybe we're just not capable of it. I don't know," Hornacek said. "That's what we're going to have to figure out. Maybe you have to play some of these other guys. We might have to mix the lineup up somehow."

holiday in starting lineup plz
melo at 4 porzingis at 5
just try it and see it if works, its our only hope

[NOOB77]

all of this is still mindblowing me..
we were doing so well like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff happened
it all started in the boston game, and we actually played well there too

When did those Phil Jackson comments about Melo go public? Right before the west coast trip right? When things started turning bad?

[dakomish23]

Somebody has to be the scapegoat.

As well as he should when your team and coach changes practically every year .And we trade players or they leave and we continue to still stink ? Who will we blame next year forbid if this keeps happening? Which I really hope not . Maybe Rudy gay if he comes here or Cp3 ,etc let's see plenty of FA next year we can blame once again, if this team continues to be pathetic like they have through out so many years .
Except for 1 or 2 yrs during amare era and when Knicks won 54 games with woodson .before that it has been a freaking disaster .The Knicks franchise needs holywater on their jerseys and on their homecourt .like I'm beginning to think we are jinxed .

You're blaming him for what?

He led us to the playoffs 3 straight years.

The 4th year, the guards turned into absolute garbage and your second best player missed 32 games and you missed the playoffs by one game. And the one immediate asset you had to fix the issues, you used on one of the bigger busts in NBA history. Melo had one of his best years that year. But that's his fault, right?

Next year we tanked.

Then last year, we're 9 pts worse with him off the floor.

This is the first year he's been this inconsistent and folks are ignoring all the crap other guys give us and expect him to lift this team to W's. I'll be the first to say he can't do that anymore by himself every night. And folks are acting like this is some great roster.

I said that **** before the season started. If this is what PJax thinks going all in to give Melo a shot at a title is, then just trade him. Clearly, we can not build a contender around him. And clearly, he can't lift us to that level anymore either.

[TankCommander17]

Greenie is right about one thing, trading 21-year old KP would actually give the Knicks something in return. The other 4 of these overpaid stank couldn't get you a second round pick. They're too old, too banged up, and have no where but down to go.

Pretty much like EVERY game this season, Melo was content trading shots with whoever the opposing team puts on him. There's a problem with that approach. The opposite team usually has a 10+ point lead on the Knicks. That doesn't do anything to cut into the lead because Melo isn't giving a damn about defense. All it does is waste time. By the time the opposition misses, that's 4 minutes later and the Knicks STILL haven't cut into the lead.

By the time the Knicks cut into the lead, they are too tired to take the lead and the other team pulls away.

Naw, this isn't about the triangle. This team just can't stand each other. Plain and simple. That goes from the players to the coach. Phil Jackson has to wonder, what do I do now?

Trading a 21 year old KP would give you something but that something would be much worse than 21 year old KP. So why even mention it. Anyone who wants KP traded is really dumb. Sorry but they are.

Depends on the reason...like I mentioned, I would consider it because he scares me as a potential injury risk later on. That Shawn Bradley type body makes me shudder sometimes when he does certain things...like I said, I really like him, but you gotta admit that's a concern.

Of course its a concern but you don't trade a 21 year old stud just because something may happen. If we had Embiid I wouldn't trade him either because his foot broke for 2 years. He is a stud. You will never get anything near equal value.

[whocares1]

Don't you guys ever get tired of blaming the coach? Like damn man you guys always blame each and every coach that signs up here.

Do you think he made the right move the last 4 games by not starting Holiday and instead starting Sasha / LFT? Two guys who have contributed next to nothing in all our W's?

Also don't know why he thinks an all bench lineup out there will do well despite all the evidence to the contrary this season.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I just don't get this line of thinking.

It's on the players. When the team was winning the media applauded Jeff for pushing the right buttons. Now the team is losing because he decided to start Lance? Is that why Melo is shooting terribly? Is that why DRose doesn't look to pass? Is that why Joakim can't shoot? Like damn. The Knicks weren't winning this game if they started Holliday.

[dakomish23]

I don't think this is a player versus player problem I think it is player versus front office/coaching problem. I think for the most part our players get along.

KP and Melo yes
Rose and Melo yes
Noah and Melo yes.

Maybe the Bulls players have a problem with KP?

But I don't see a problem with the players towards each other more of how they are being coached or told how to play.

Its clearly Jennings IMO.

[Capn'O]

all of this is still mindblowing me..
we were doing so well like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff happened
it all started in the boston game, and we actually played well there too

It really was that game. I think reality set in that the team wasn't a contender. A mid-tier seed at best with Cle, Tor, and Bos being the clear top seeds. Knicks could have grabbed the 4 slot but I guess that wasn't enough? Then internal conflicts started. It's clear there's a division on the team.

[spree8]

Trading a 21 year old KP would give you something but that something would be much worse than 21 year old KP. So why even mention it. Anyone who wants KP traded is really dumb. Sorry but they are.

Depends on the reason...like I mentioned, I would consider it because he scares me as a potential injury risk later on. That Shawn Bradley type body makes me shudder sometimes when he does certain things...like I said, I really like him, but you gotta admit that's a concern.

Of course its a concern but you don't trade a 21 year old stud just because something may happen. If we had Embiid I wouldn't trade him either because his foot broke for 2 years. He is a stud. You will never get anything near equal value.

True...it would have to be for something along the lines of like a Dame Lillard, Giannis, or something like that...which is unlikely, but you never know.

Kind of a moot point anyway since Phil probably won't even think about it since KP is his greatest accomplishment here.

[NOOB77]

all of this is still mindblowing me..
we were doing so well like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff happened
it all started in the boston game, and we actually played well there too

It really was that game. I think reality set in that the team wasn't a contender. A mid-tier seed at best with Cle, Tor, and Bos being the clear top seeds. Knicks could have grabbed the 4 slot but I guess that wasn't enough? Then internal conflicts started. It's clear there's a division on the team.

People keep throwing that out there division on the team? Starters versus bench? Jennings versus starters? Players seem to get along outside of basketball. Rose over to Melos for turkey day ect.

[dakomish23]

Don't you guys ever get tired of blaming the coach? Like damn man you guys always blame each and every coach that signs up here.

Do you think he made the right move the last 4 games by not starting Holiday and instead starting Sasha / LFT? Two guys who have contributed next to nothing in all our W's?

Also don't know why he thinks an all bench lineup out there will do well despite all the evidence to the contrary this season.

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. I just don't get this line of thinking.

It's on the players. When the team was winning the media applauded Jeff for pushing the right buttons. Now the team is losing because he decided to start Lance? Is that why Melo is shooting terribly? Is that why DRose doesn't look to pass? Is that why Joakim can't shoot? Like damn. The Knicks weren't winning this game if they started Holliday.

He was pushing the right buttons when we had a full roster. He hasn't the last 4 games and he hasn't pushed the right buttons.

I bet we are in this game throughout if we start Holiday. Dude is a perfect fit. After the BKN game where Jeff sat Noah the 2nd half, I thought he realized how well Holiday fit. Guess I was wrong.

Is there a player Holiday doesn't fit with on this roster? Yet this guy played 14 minutes today.

Bad move by Jeff if you're trying to win games. If you're not, then kudos on the stealth tank. Sasha and LFT will get you into the top 5