The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Would the Celtics do Brown + Brooklyn 17 pick + late round pick (Boston 18,19 or Memphis pick) and whatever fillers for Butler?

Feel like it could be one of those trades that is great for both franchises.

[CelticFaninLBC]

If Boston doesn't have the #1 overall pick (Fultz) that would work.

I can't see Chicago dealing him though, unless Butler demands a trade.

[31to6]

Would the Celtics do Brown + Brooklyn 17 pick + late round pick (Boston 18,19 or Memphis pick) and whatever fillers for Butler?

Feel like it could be one of those trades that is great for both franchises.

Prisoner-of-the-moment answer: where do we sign?

Yesterday/tomorrow answer: probably not

[Chicago-Bull-E]

If Boston doesn't have the #1 overall pick (Fultz) that would work.

I can't see Chicago dealing him though, unless Butler demands a trade.

Unfortunately I think this is the case as well. The front office is on the hot seat and will surely be working in their own self interest. And a move to tank would like cost someone their job.

Unless the Bulls start falling quickly, the terrible FO will try and cling to mediocrity for as long as they can.

Regardless, rooting for the Celtics in the playoffs. Much rather watch them win than the Cavs or the Raptors.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brown or BKN 17, and even that feels like a lot today. What better offers are the Bulls getting?

[Banks2Pierce]

Brown or BKN 17, and even that feels like a lot today. What better offers are the Bulls getting?

Butler's signed through 2019 so all teams can get in on that. Lakers probably make a bid. Denver might do Jokic+. Minnesota would get involved. Would be a war for him.

[brackdan70]

Would the Celtics do Brown + Brooklyn 17 pick + late round pick (Boston 18,19 or Memphis pick) and whatever fillers for Butler?

Feel like it could be one of those trades that is great for both franchises.

personally I would like to keep one of Brown or the 2017 brooklyn pick and replace the other with the 2018 brooklyn pick, however if the other fillers are Zeller / Jerebko then that is probably fair.

Zeller, Jerebko, Brown, 2017 Brooklyn Pick, Boston 2019 pick? more than I'd like to give but probably what it would take I suppose.

[brackdan70]

How good would this team be:

IT - AB - Butler - Horford - Noel
Smart - Crowder - KO - Amir/Jerebko

A true threat to Cleveland and GS? Or more of a Toronto / LAC level team?

I like that team and it is theoretically possible
I think better than Toronto, Clippers etc. but not as good as Cleveland / GS.

In my fantasies we manage to hang on to the 2017 pick

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brown or BKN 17, and even that feels like a lot today. What better offers are the Bulls getting?

Butler's signed through 2019 so all teams can get in on that. Lakers probably make a bid. Denver might do Jokic+. Minnesota would get involved. Would be a war for him.

I could see the Lakers making an offer, Denver, too, but not Jokic. Both teams have depth at the 2, though. Indiana, maybe. Orlando, absolutely.

[Captain_Caveman]

If Boston doesn't have the #1 overall pick (Fultz) that would work.

I can't see Chicago dealing him though, unless Butler demands a trade.

Unfortunately I think this is the case as well. The front office is on the hot seat and will surely be working in their own self interest. And a move to tank would like cost someone their job.

Unless the Bulls start falling quickly, the terrible FO will try and cling to mediocrity for as long as they can.

Regardless, rooting for the Celtics in the playoffs. Much rather watch them win than the Cavs or the Raptors.

I feel like the Bulls likely did themselves a disservice turning down whatever our deadline and summer offers were, which I assume was the #3, Crowder and one of Smart or Bradley. Especially when you get into the impact it will have on your own pick this year.

Dump Rose and let Noah and Pau walk from an aging team, only to sign Old Man Wade and a washed-up Rondo?

According to our board insiders and subsequent media reports, you guys backed out of a deal that was 99% of the way down at the deadline last year, and I don't get it.

[GimmeDat]

If Boston doesn't have the #1 overall pick (Fultz) that would work.

I can't see Chicago dealing him though, unless Butler demands a trade.

Unfortunately I think this is the case as well. The front office is on the hot seat and will surely be working in their own self interest. And a move to tank would like cost someone their job.

Unless the Bulls start falling quickly, the terrible FO will try and cling to mediocrity for as long as they can.

Regardless, rooting for the Celtics in the playoffs. Much rather watch them win than the Cavs or the Raptors.

I feel like the Bulls likely did themselves a disservice turning down whatever our deadline and summer offers were, which I assume was the #3, Crowder and one of Smart or Bradley. Especially when you get into the impact it will have on your own pick this year.

Dump Rose and let Noah and Pau walk from an aging team, only to sign Old Man Wade and a washed-up Rondo?

According to our board insiders and subsequent media reports, you guys backed out of a deal that was 99% of the way down at the deadline last year, and I don't get it.

I was for a rebuild at the draft as well, but when I heard that was the offer, I was completely against it, and I think most Bulls fans were. Our expectations for a return were higher, and I don't think we were expecting to be interested in getting Crowder back, let alone both, unless it was a 3 way deal.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Would the Celtics do Brown + Brooklyn 17 pick + late round pick (Boston 18,19 or Memphis pick) and whatever fillers for Butler?

Feel like it could be one of those trades that is great for both franchises.

I'd do it. It's the most I'd give up, but I'd do it.

I'm truly amazed at how well he's playing on your team with that spacing. 10 FTA/G with minimal three point shooting is incredible.

[cl2117]

The problem I've always had with a Butler deal was that I always felt like he had to play at this level in order for the C's to be willing to give up the kind of package the Bulls would want to get back in exchange. However now that he has played to that level that package, rightfully so, will now be even more costly for the C's. Additionally I just don't know how Chicago can trade a guy playing that well without him flat out demanding a trade. The trade value coming back would have to be obscene.

I like the idea of adding Nurkic if he continues to kick up a fuss in DEN. His contract fits into our goal of flexibility. I know his advanced stats make him look worse, but I think in a niche role he could be close to 10/10 for us with a much better supporting cast. He could then be used in a major trade down the line for a better C. It's be nice to be offering young prospects/picks including a big man. Nurkic, Brown and a BKN pick for Boogie is a lot better than Rozier, Brown, BKN pick and another late first.

Same for Okafor. I wouldn't trade for him expecting him to be a big piece for us, but I think he could do some good things in a niche role with a better cast around him and then maybe his value jumps back up enough where he can be a part of a larger trade for a guy like Butler/Boogie or whoever.

I've had my eyes on Bogut all season, but I'd happily let that dream go if it means that Dallas doesn't commit to tanking and chases for that 8th seed out west. Conversely I'd be willing to make calls on Booker/Lopez just to get an idea for what the Nets want. Probably too expensive for either, but I'd be ready to help them tank further if they were interested.

[BakersDozen]

Im ready to go all in for Butler and Millsap


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[jmr07019]

Would the Celtics do Brown + Brooklyn 17 pick + late round pick (Boston 18,19 or Memphis pick) and whatever fillers for Butler?

Feel like it could be one of those trades that is great for both franchises.

Yes and I would have done it before the 50 point game too.

[cl2117]

One problem with the BKN 2017 pick for me is that the more and more it looks like that could be the #1/2/3 pick in next year's draft, which hasn't gotten the "2 player draft" title that last year's had, the more hesitant I am to trade it.

In part that is because if we are offering the #1 pick in a loaded draft, might we not need to add much more for a guy like Butler? As compared to now when that pick is going to valued in the 3-7 range for the acquiring team because it is still an unknown until after the lottery.

I don't see a guy that could realistically be traded before the deadline that would actually make us legit title contenders, so part of me really wants to wait it out because of the potential to have SUCH a blue chip trade piece if the pin pong balls fall right.

[jfs1000d]

One problem with the BKN 2017 pick for me is that the more and more it looks like that could be the #1/2/3 pick in next year's draft, which hasn't gotten the "2 player draft" title that last year's had, the more hesitant I am to trade it.

In part that is because if we are offering the #1 pick in a loaded draft, might we not need to add much more for a guy like Butler? As compared to now when that pick is going to valued in the 3-7 range for the acquiring team because it is still an unknown until after the lottery.

I don't see a guy that could realistically be traded before the deadline that would actually make us legit title contenders, so part of me really wants to wait it out because of the potential to have SUCH a blue chip trade piece if the pin pong balls fall right.

One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Our last two mid to high lottery draftees are Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown. Smart is useful. Brown looks like he may become a player eventually. None of them look like sure thing stars. I think we end up trading the pick. Unless Ainge believes the No. 1 player is a franchise changer and HOF, I don't think it makes sense to hold onto the pick if we can acquire a George or Butler.

[fallguy]

One problem with the BKN 2017 pick for me is that the more and more it looks like that could be the #1/2/3 pick in next year's draft, which hasn't gotten the "2 player draft" title that last year's had, the more hesitant I am to trade it.

In part that is because if we are offering the #1 pick in a loaded draft, might we not need to add much more for a guy like Butler? As compared to now when that pick is going to valued in the 3-7 range for the acquiring team because it is still an unknown until after the lottery.

I don't see a guy that could realistically be traded before the deadline that would actually make us legit title contenders, so part of me really wants to wait it out because of the potential to have SUCH a blue chip trade piece if the pin pong balls fall right.

One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Our last two mid to high lottery draftees are Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown. Smart is useful. Brown looks like he may become a player eventually. None of them look like sure thing stars. I think we end up trading the pick. Unless Ainge believes the No. 1 player is a franchise changer and HOF, I don't think it makes sense to hold onto the pick if we can acquire a George or Butler.

This could very well be true. But I doubt it will happen before the lottery.

[Banks2Pierce]

One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I get your sentiment, but I think it is a massively complex equation. We're dealing with .25 birds and .65 bushes and all sorts of %s here.

[cl2117]

One problem with the BKN 2017 pick for me is that the more and more it looks like that could be the #1/2/3 pick in next year's draft, which hasn't gotten the "2 player draft" title that last year's had, the more hesitant I am to trade it.

In part that is because if we are offering the #1 pick in a loaded draft, might we not need to add much more for a guy like Butler? As compared to now when that pick is going to valued in the 3-7 range for the acquiring team because it is still an unknown until after the lottery.

I don't see a guy that could realistically be traded before the deadline that would actually make us legit title contenders, so part of me really wants to wait it out because of the potential to have SUCH a blue chip trade piece if the pin pong balls fall right.

One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Our last two mid to high lottery draftees are Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown. Smart is useful. Brown looks like he may become a player eventually. None of them look like sure thing stars. I think we end up trading the pick. Unless Ainge believes the No. 1 player is a franchise changer and HOF, I don't think it makes sense to hold onto the pick if we can acquire a George or Butler.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for waiting to see where it lands in order to draft the #1 guy overall, it's more so waiting to see where it lands to see if that will change the kind of package we would need to put together for a star.

Essentially what I'm thinking is that at the moment is how much does it cost for us to get Butler? BKN 2017, Brown, Memphis 2019 and one of Bradley/Crowder?

How much will it cost us if instead we are offering the #2 pick in 2017? Do we get to keep one of Bradley/Crowder/Brown? What if it's the #1 pick?

In a similar vein, right now the biggest names available for our best packages seem to be Butler, Cousins (maybe), Millsap, Hayward, Griffin or DJ (maybe). Now what if we wait until the summer and get luck with the #1 pick. Is Paul George now on the table? Could Anthony Davis then be on the table? It could open up other possibilities that aren't available to us right now.

I don't think there is much to lose from a value perspective (e.g. the 2017 Nets pick isn't going to be worth less in June), but much could be gained if it ended up as the #1 or #2 pick. The real loss would be in not having that star player for the rest of this season.