Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[fatlever]

Hawks listening to offers for Millsap. What would you give up to get him?

[HornetJail]

Hawks listening to offers for Millsap. What would you give up to get him?

not too much. he's a free agent this offseason. would rather clear off the fluff and just try to sign him in the offseason

[GlenRiceARoni]

Paul Millsap for Marvin & 1st Rd pk.

Paul Millsap & Kyle Korver for Marvin, Lamb, & 1st Rd pick.

I think it'd make us quasi contenders this year and keep our window open the next few seasons as potentially real contenders.

Also it sheds us of Marvin's deal which is looking worse by the day. We are capped out so we need to be aggressive in a trade this year. I'd even be willing to throw in a second 1st Rd pick. Let's go for it.

PM maintains stretch 4 offense with good ball movement and aids us big time in defensive rebounding .



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[HornetJail]

I doubt that's what Atlanta is looking for at all. I'd happily do both those trades, but that's horrible value for ATL, who would be tanking a rebuilding if they traded Millsap. We don't really have much to appease a team about to start a rebuild. Our only young guys worth a shut are the ones we're building around and Frank Kaminsky. Spoiler alert: adding Frank changes nothing for ATL.

[Lwcasu]

I doubt that's what Atlanta is looking for at all. I'd happily do both those trades, but that's horrible value for ATL, who would be tanking a rebuilding if they traded Millsap. We don't really have much to appease a team about to start a rebuild. Our only young guys worth a shut are the ones we're building around and Frank Kaminsky. Spoiler alert: adding Frank changes nothing for ATL.

But realistically, what are they going to get for a guy who's expiring and heading out of his prime? This is a fringe all-star heading out of his prime too.

[HornetJail]

I doubt that's what Atlanta is looking for at all. I'd happily do both those trades, but that's horrible value for ATL, who would be tanking a rebuilding if they traded Millsap. We don't really have much to appease a team about to start a rebuild. Our only young guys worth a shut are the ones we're building around and Frank Kaminsky. Spoiler alert: adding Frank changes nothing for ATL.

But realistically, what are they going to get for a guy who's expiring and heading out of his prime? This is a fringe all-star heading out of his prime too.

A team trying to make a playoff push will try to trade their 1st for him. Book it. My money's on Detroit to pair him with Drummond. Their pick + $20M in role players to match salary is a better rebuilding package than anything we could put together without blowing up our core.

Millsap's an all-star caliber player, they'll get something worthwhile. Realistically the package you're putting forward would not be interesting to a rebuilding team.

[GlenRiceARoni]

I doubt that's what Atlanta is looking for at all. I'd happily do both those trades, but that's horrible value for ATL, who would be tanking a rebuilding if they traded Millsap. We don't really have much to appease a team about to start a rebuild. Our only young guys worth a shut are the ones we're building around and Frank Kaminsky. Spoiler alert: adding Frank changes nothing for ATL.

But realistically, what are they going to get for a guy who's expiring and heading out of his prime? This is a fringe all-star heading out of his prime too.

A team trying to make a playoff push will try to trade their 1st for him. Book it. My money's on Detroit to pair him with Drummond. Their pick + $20M in role players to match salary is a better rebuilding package than anything we could put together without blowing up our core.

Millsap's an all-star caliber player, they'll get something worthwhile. Realistically the package you're putting forward would not be interesting to a rebuilding team.

Disagree completely.

Atlanta isn't looking to rebuild they just signed Dwight Howard and Kent Bazemore to a long term deal and are the five seed right now!

Atlanta is notoriously cheap because they have trouble generating revenue and they have a ton of debt.

Theyre nervous about losing Millsap for nothing but they're terrified of paying him $30+ M a year from age 32-36. Especially with Howard and Bazemore's fresh deals, korver and sefolosha expiring, and Schroder about to negotiate an extension.

Id wager quite a bit that Millsap isn't a hawk next year.

Marvin gives them a relatively cheap replacement at PF who is still productive and fits on the Howard timeline. The first round pick gives them a 4 year bench player for pennies. Lamb would be a very cheap wing and potentially a starter for them.


For the Hornets we dump some long term commitments and we have Hibbert and sessions expiring at year end. We have hawes and Wood to replace Hibberts minutes. Kaminsky can slide to 5 as well. Lamb barely plays anyway and we have graham there.

All wed need is a backup PG next year and given the influx of rookies here lately there should be a lot of reasonable options on the scrap pile to choose from.


Millsap is a free agent who is about to command a RISKY deal that potentially has a lot of negative value. Atlanta can't expect a ransom for him.


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[HornetJail]

But realistically, what are they going to get for a guy who's expiring and heading out of his prime? This is a fringe all-star heading out of his prime too.

A team trying to make a playoff push will try to trade their 1st for him. Book it. My money's on Detroit to pair him with Drummond. Their pick + $20M in role players to match salary is a better rebuilding package than anything we could put together without blowing up our core.

Millsap's an all-star caliber player, they'll get something worthwhile. Realistically the package you're putting forward would not be interesting to a rebuilding team.

Disagree completely.

Atlanta isn't looking to rebuild they just signed Dwight Howard and Kent Bazemore to a long term deal and are the five seed right now!

Atlanta is notoriously cheap because they have trouble generating revenue and they have a ton of debt.

Theyre nervous about losing Millsap for nothing but they're terrified of paying him $30+ M a year from age 32-36. Especially with Howard and Bazemore's fresh deals, korver and sefolosha expiring, and Schroder about to negotiate an extension.

Id wager quite a bit that Millsap isn't a hawk next year.

Marvin gives them a relatively cheap replacement at PF who is still productive and fits on the Howard timeline. The first round pick gives them a 4 year bench player for pennies. Lamb would be a very cheap wing and potentially a starter for them.


For the Hornets we dump some long term commitments and we have Hibbert and sessions expiring at year end. We have hawes and Wood to replace Hibberts minutes. Kaminsky can slide to 5 as well. Lamb barely plays anyway and we have graham there.

All wed need is a backup PG next year and given the influx of rookies here lately there should be a lot of reasonable options on the scrap pile to choose from.


Millsap is a free agent who is about to command a RISKY deal that potentially has a lot of negative value. Atlanta can't expect a ransom for him.


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If they were trading Millsap to "cheap out" then they wouldn't have extended Bazemore to that insane contract. I think the Hawks now realize that they can't contend with this group they have and are tearing it down. Trading Millsap for scraps makes them a 10-12 seed in the East, but no better and no worse. This is the beginning of a complete liquidation IMO. Dwight is a trade chip.

[Diop]

I doubt that's what Atlanta is looking for at all. I'd happily do both those trades, but that's horrible value for ATL, who would be tanking a rebuilding if they traded Millsap. We don't really have much to appease a team about to start a rebuild. Our only young guys worth a shut are the ones we're building around and Frank Kaminsky. Spoiler alert: adding Frank changes nothing for ATL.

I dunno, they still have Howard, Schroeder and Bazemore on big contracts, I can't see them tanking in a hurry.

When I mentioned Marv Williams on the Hawks board, they loved his fit with their offence and his friendly contract. they couldn't see us trading him however.

The fact that we would keep bird rights would be enough for me to do it to improve the team. We're the feel good, try hard to team that plays ok and sometimes good. I would like to actually be a good team that looks dangerous entering the playoffs.

I want more than a participation award.

For Atlanta I think they just believe he will walk and want something for him. Maybe someone who fits better with Schroeder/Howard better.

[GlenRiceARoni]

A team trying to make a playoff push will try to trade their 1st for him. Book it. My money's on Detroit to pair him with Drummond. Their pick + $20M in role players to match salary is a better rebuilding package than anything we could put together without blowing up our core.

Millsap's an all-star caliber player, they'll get something worthwhile. Realistically the package you're putting forward would not be interesting to a rebuilding team.

Disagree completely.

Atlanta isn't looking to rebuild they just signed Dwight Howard and Kent Bazemore to a long term deal and are the five seed right now!

Atlanta is notoriously cheap because they have trouble generating revenue and they have a ton of debt.

Theyre nervous about losing Millsap for nothing but they're terrified of paying him $30+ M a year from age 32-36. Especially with Howard and Bazemore's fresh deals, korver and sefolosha expiring, and Schroder about to negotiate an extension.

Id wager quite a bit that Millsap isn't a hawk next year.

Marvin gives them a relatively cheap replacement at PF who is still productive and fits on the Howard timeline. The first round pick gives them a 4 year bench player for pennies. Lamb would be a very cheap wing and potentially a starter for them.


For the Hornets we dump some long term commitments and we have Hibbert and sessions expiring at year end. We have hawes and Wood to replace Hibberts minutes. Kaminsky can slide to 5 as well. Lamb barely plays anyway and we have graham there.

All wed need is a backup PG next year and given the influx of rookies here lately there should be a lot of reasonable options on the scrap pile to choose from.


Millsap is a free agent who is about to command a RISKY deal that potentially has a lot of negative value. Atlanta can't expect a ransom for him.


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If they were trading Millsap to "cheap out" then they wouldn't have extended Bazemore to that insane contract. I think the Hawks now realize that they can't contend with this group they have and are tearing it down. Trading Millsap for scraps makes them a 10-12 seed in the East, but no better and no worse. This is the beginning of a complete liquidation IMO. Dwight is a trade chip.

I think you're reading into something that just isn't there.

Bazemore and Howard aren't easily trade able. Their deals just started this seaso.

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[Diop]

If the bulls get totally sick of Rondo, Would you consider sessions and Hibbert for him?

See how he does off the bench, gives the 2nd unit a totally different look. Put him with our shooters.

[HornetJail]

If the bulls get totally sick of Rondo, Would you consider sessions and Hibbert for him?

See how he does off the bench, gives the 2nd unit a totally different look. Put him with our shooters.

After seeing Lance Stephenson crash and burn, I can't see this turning out well.

[BigSlam]

I'd include Kaminsky in a trade for Millsap before I'd include Marv.


"BBMF'ers"

[BigSlam]

If the bulls get totally sick of Rondo, Would you consider sessions and Hibbert for him?

See how he does off the bench, gives the 2nd unit a totally different look. Put him with our shooters.

Great player but a chemistry killer.

I'd pass.


"BBMF'ers"

[catch20two]

If the bulls get totally sick of Rondo, Would you consider sessions and Hibbert for him?

See how he does off the bench, gives the 2nd unit a totally different look. Put him with our shooters.

Pass, literally, pun intended.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I want no part of Rondo.

[Diop]

fair enough, I was on the fence but wondering if he could be another reclamation project.

he does have a unique, ball hogging style which might be difficult to fit here

[Benjamin Linus]

Guys, let's bring back the team from last season!

Charlotte in: Lin, Lee
Charlotte out: MKG, Sessions

NYK in: MKG
NYK out: Lee, 1st

Brooklyn in: Sessions, NYK 1st
Brooklyn out: Lin

[Eoghan]

I would trade for Rondo just to see if Clifford and him recreate Paul Silas vs Tyrus Thomas 2.

[SWedd523]

MKG and Marvin for Ryan Anderson and Corey Brewer