Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[god shammgod]

they can't trade noah. he's paid too much. the reason melo has to be play 3 is because we loaded up on 5s. they have to play two 5s together all the time because we don't even really have 4s. the reason all these things are happening is one person.

Problem is KP is neither an effective 4 or 5 on defense. He can't get out to stretch 4's nor can he rebound effectively enough to be a 5 next to Melo at the 4. It's an issue that's going either unspoken on this board because no one wants to say it because it's KP or it's being flat out ignored. Until our 7 foot 3 guy can get double digit rebounds consistently we're going to be stuck with a chit defense that gives up way too many second chance points. And it has a trickle down effect on the rest of the personnel on defense. Just the reality of the situation.

as you say, he's not really great on d at the 4 or 5. but playing the 5 will let him be more of a rim protector and will give us an advantage on o because he'll take the other center outside. it's worth a try.

[dakomish23]

How about this FO grow a pair, admit their ridiculous mistake, play KP at the 5, Melo at the 4 and start our best perimeter defender at the 3?

Or make DRose or Melo the 6th man?

One of those 3 moves makes more sense than continuing this farce

[Hemispheres]

I'm a Melo fan. His offense doesn't even really bother me. Yeah the iso after ISO when he's cold can get annoying but he's still a valuable weapon to have out there imo, and I believe the stats do say we are a better offensive team with him playing (should be obvious).

HOWEVER I cannot excuse his piss poor defensive effort this year. It's not just being out of position, it's him not even trying half the time. That is starting to wear on me. Maybe it's his knee bothering him but if that's the case then sit him and let him recover. The whole team has been bad defensively but imo no one has put forth as poor an effort as Melo. And as the star and leader of the team he should be doing the opposite.

[Lotsix]

its not even that his D isnt good, he gives no god damn effort, i swear we can pluck in someone off the street and they would give betetr effort on the Defensive end. Entire team outside of KP is a mess

[dakomish23]

I'm a Melo fan. His offense doesn't even really bother me. Yeah the iso after ISO when he's cold can get annoying but he's still a valuable weapon to have out there imo, and I believe the stats do say we are a better offensive team with him playing (should be obvious).

HOWEVER I cannot excuse his piss poor defensive effort this year. It's not just being out of position, it's him not even trying half the time. That is starting to wear on me. Maybe it's his knee bothering him but if that's the case then sit him and let him recover. The whole team has been bad defensively but imo no one has put forth as poor an effort as Melo. And as the star and leader of the team he should be doing the opposite.

And to offset this they got a C who's one of the worst at protecting the rim and a PG who's maybe slightly better than Melo defensively spearheading the D.

[Yankeeknickfan]

I knew this would come back to Lin

Can we at least admit that Melo did us a favor, if he actually did hate Lin?

[prophet_of_rage]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

they can't trade noah. he's paid too much. the reason melo has to be play 3 is because we loaded up on 5s. they have to play two 5s together all the time because we don't even really have 4s. the reason all these things are happening is one person.

We could theoretically just switch Melo and KP's positions in the starting lineup just to see Melo at the 4 again. KP is stretch big as it is. I'm just not sure it would make that big a difference.

You just defend Melo with the 3 and KP with the 4 anyway. To make small ball work you need somebody at the 3 who is threatening enough to force tou to guard them with their 3 so Melo and KP mismatch. If I were playing a Knicks small ball lineup currently you just keep defending Melo and KP with the 3 and 5 and have your 4 play in the middle of the floor. Courtney Lee doesn't shoot against pressure. See how teams ignore Dwya e Wade on the weakside.

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[dakomish23]

I knew this would come back to Lin

Can we at least admit that Melo did us a favor, if he actually did hate Lin?

I think it's ridiculous that a guy teams were using first round picks to dump is still being brought up as some messiah. I'm a Lin fan but I'm no prt of the Church of Lin

[god shammgod]

look, it doesn't matter. some of you want to blame melo for everything. cool. the knicks suck with him or without him. it's another year where he's getting older. start the sell off. he wants to stay he stays. it's not gonna stop us from losing. you're gonna have to philly it for a few years because all these guys you love like kuz and willy aint sh*t either. and for the love of god, fire f*cking phil. don't give me this clarence gaines bullsh*t either. he was out of work as a scout for years until phil hired him. he aint no f*cking prodigy.

[Yankeeknickfan]

I knew this would come back to Lin

Can we at least admit that Melo did us a favor, if he actually did hate Lin?

I think it's ridiculous that a guy teams were using first round picks to dump is still being brought up as some messiah. I'm a Lin fan but I'm no prt of the Church of Lin

Lin was cool, but paying guys for 2 weeks is how we have another Jerome James on our hands. Can't believe that people got all worked up over him leaving, and blamed Melo to cope with it.

[TankCommander17]

look, it doesn't matter. some of you want to blame melo for everything. cool. the knicks suck with him or without him. it's another year where he's getting older. start the sell off. he wants to stay he stays. it's not gonna stop us from losing. you're gonna have to philly it for a few years because all these guys you love like kuz and willy aint sh*t either. and for the love of god, fire f*cking phil. don't give me this clarence gaines bullsh*t either. he was out of work as a scout for years until phil hired him. he aint no f*cking prodigy.

Welcome to team tank!

[Knicksfan1992]

they can't trade noah. he's paid too much. the reason melo has to be play 3 is because we loaded up on 5s. they have to play two 5s together all the time because we don't even really have 4s. the reason all these things are happening is one person.

Problem is KP is neither an effective 4 or 5 on defense. He can't get out to stretch 4's nor can he rebound effectively enough to be a 5 next to Melo at the 4. It's an issue that's going either unspoken on this board because no one wants to say it because it's KP or it's being flat out ignored. Until our 7 foot 3 guy can get double digit rebounds consistently we're going to be stuck with a chit defense that gives up way too many second chance points. And it has a trickle down effect on the rest of the personnel on defense. Just the reality of the situation.

as you say, he's not really great on d at the 4 or 5. but playing the 5 will let him be more of a rim protector and will give us an advantage on o because he'll take the other center outside. it's worth a try.

I totally agree. Just have to suck up the rebounding woes. Starting Lineup going forward should be

Rose
Lee
Holiday
Melo
KP

Good mix of offense/defense and athleticism. Maybe float taking one of Portland's bad bloated wing contracts and throwing them a protected pick for Noah? Either way you're probably stuck with a chit contract on the books but, at least get one that somewhat fits with our team. I like Noah. Think he's played better as of late but, it just doesn't make sense here.

[god shammgod]

jeremy lin still got ridiculous fans here. i don't want to hear about this fool. a few people here actually convinced themselves the nets were gonna be a tough team after a week into the season. how's that going.

[ag3]

I am now on board to trade Melo. You cant have all this talent on the team and have such a piss poor defensive intensity and bad karma overall.

[Deeeez Knicks]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

they can't trade noah. he's paid too much. the reason melo has to be play 3 is because we loaded up on 5s. they have to play two 5s together all the time because we don't even really have 4s. the reason all these things are happening is one person.

We could theoretically just switch Melo and KP's positions in the starting lineup just to see Melo at the 4 again. KP is stretch big as it is. I'm just not sure it would make that big a difference.

You just defend Melo with the 3 and KP with the 4 anyway. To make small ball work you need somebody at the 3 who is threatening enough to force tou to guard them with their 3 so Melo and KP mismatch. If I were playing a Knicks small ball lineup currently you just keep defending Melo and KP with the 3 and 5 and have your 4 play in the middle of the floor. Courtney Lee doesn't shoot against pressure. See how teams ignore Dwya e Wade on the weakside.

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We really don't have the ideal guy to play the 3 in that lineup, but Holiday is the best we have. Need to play this lineup more...in general, just need to play Holiday more.

KP
Melo
Holiday
Lee
Rose

[god shammgod]

Problem is KP is neither an effective 4 or 5 on defense. He can't get out to stretch 4's nor can he rebound effectively enough to be a 5 next to Melo at the 4. It's an issue that's going either unspoken on this board because no one wants to say it because it's KP or it's being flat out ignored. Until our 7 foot 3 guy can get double digit rebounds consistently we're going to be stuck with a chit defense that gives up way too many second chance points. And it has a trickle down effect on the rest of the personnel on defense. Just the reality of the situation.

as you say, he's not really great on d at the 4 or 5. but playing the 5 will let him be more of a rim protector and will give us an advantage on o because he'll take the other center outside. it's worth a try.

I totally agree. Just have to suck up the rebounding woes. Starting Lineup going forward should be

Rose
Lee
Holiday
Melo
KP

Good mix of offense/defense and athleticism. Maybe float taking one of Portland's bad bloated wing contracts and throwing them a protected pick for Noah? Either way you're probably stuck with a chit contract on the books but, at least get one that somewhat fits with our team. I like Noah. Think he's played better as of late but, it just doesn't make sense here.

it might work. does it make more sense than tanking though ? i have to wonder. how far can we really get ? the 8th spot ? might just be better to take our lumps again. these losses are convincing me. management won't do this anyway.

[bklynstoops]

Cmon. In no way shape or form did Melo run Woodson out and there are countless articles by so many outlets stating this. There are articles that say Woodson only made it through the entire 13-14 season because of Melo.

Didn't DFish get Dad Melo to come out? How is that chasing him out of town.

the only reason Melo backed Woodson was because he did exactly what Melo wanted. Let him iso all day and get the scoring title while switching on defense so he didn't have to work on the other end. He may have been worth it despite the passive aggressiveness, but he isn't anymore. The Melo era needs to die; perhaps along with the Phil era.

Thx for the corroboration that Melo DID NOT chase Woodson out of town

sure, no problem. I guess we're in agreement that we need to move on from Melo unless we're bringing Woodson back and Melo can go back in time.

[whocares1]

look, it doesn't matter. some of you want to blame melo for everything. cool. the knicks suck with him or without him. it's another year where he's getting older. start the sell off. he wants to stay he stays. it's not gonna stop us from losing. you're gonna have to philly it for a few years because all these guys you love like kuz and willy aint sh*t either. and for the love of god, fire f*cking phil. don't give me this clarence gaines bullsh*t either. he was out of work as a scout for years until phil hired him. he aint no f*cking prodigy.

Chill with that Willy criticism. Dude just needs to balk up a little more. He's talented and he just needs an off season to work on his mid range and he'll be great for us.

[god shammgod]

even if you kept this entire team together, you would still be better adding a top 10 pick to it. you're gonna have to fire horny sometime next year too because he sucks. we're giving him a pass simply because he doesn't run the triangle and because rambis/fisher were that much worse. nothing creative on offense and no defense. the f*ck good is he doing ?

[robillionaire]

You can't go back in time and take away the no trade clause so unfortunately we are just stuck for 2 more seasons after this unless we can convince him to opt out after 1 more season because we're tanking so hard.