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[CalamityX12]

and why is it that Yogi can't get playing time here but dinwiddiee can?

[All Nets]

maybe its a bit much for me to comment, but i dont think Whitehead is an integral part to future.....

too many BAD turnovers..... you'd think he'll learn not to do the things that get him in trouble....

It depends if you think solid backup PG with starting potential is integral or not. He's not going to develop into Lillard or Westbrook but his defensive tenacity reminds me a bit of Lowry. Last night he scrambled for a loose ball, got nudged out of bounds and didn't get a call. Doesn't pout, instead plays hard and draws a charge on the next play. He's also shown ability to finish with contact, although he's less than stellar when he's contorting reverse layups around the rim.

His issue going forward will be effective running an offense, limiting turnovers, and then maybe upping his shooting percentages. Although his court vision may never be above average, just gaining more experience running the point without a decline in defense, rebounding, and attacking the basket will solidify his place as a backup option.

[Roy Tarpley]

If Whitehead's ceiling is Patrick Beverley, that could be an integral part of the future. But Whitehead needs to get his 3PT% to at least 37% and his FT% to low 80%.

I wouldn't be unhappy if the team traded Bogs for two 2nd rounders and gave his 25 mpg to Harris, RHJ, and Levert. Bogs doesn't seem to be a part of the team's future so why waste any development time on him? He's not teaching the young folks any hustle.

[Prokorov]

It seems Kenny has decided that even though RHJ is our best perimeter defender by a long way (Whitehead is getting closer) that he can only play as a small ball 4 and cannot defend wings anymore. Just weird.

gotta look big picture. forget the wins... RHJ's offense has been the best its been all year at the 4 spot. they need to take a look at him and see where he can and cant help us so we are ahead of the curve down the road

That doesn't mean he should exclusively be a 4. No reason he can't still contribute in both spots.

Who is saying he wont once winning becomes more important in a year or two?

[Prokorov]

I still think Lopez is not the biggest problem on this team...I think Marks did a poor job picking the players to surround Brook....Marks needed to go after Athletic/physical big men that can rebound to balance out Lopez's weakness...The fact that you have Hamilton, Bennett and Scola behind Lopez is really where the problem is located.

when you say "i dont think brook is the biggest problem on this team" you are correct with regards to our record. we have a horrible record because the guys other then brook are all bench players and there is no talent around him. you can have a 40-49 win team if you put a few good players around brook and he isnt your best player.

On the flip side when you say "i dont think brook is the biggest problem on this team?" you are incorrect with regards to our ceiling. the other 14 players make peanuts and can be changed out with no issues. Lopez is on a max deal. if he is here he has to play a big role. and you just wont ever be a good defensive team with him starting. and i think your overall team will always underachieve with brook on it. which is the main issue. he minimizes the talent around him due to his limitations on D.

I dont think you can just put Noel or someone next to brook at that fixes anything. We saw KG next to brook and it wasnt better. thats just not how it works. an elite defending PF cant do much if they opponent runs a pick and roll with the guy brook is gaurding. its just too easy to isolate and exploit a poor defending PnR bigman

[Prokorov]

maybe its a bit much for me to comment, but i dont think Whitehead is an integral part to future.....

too many BAD turnovers..... you'd think he'll learn not to do the things that get him in trouble....

i think he has learned. its been like 35 games. and his turnovers are drastically down over time if you look at his splits. he is still a rookie, he still needs to learn.

i dont think he is an integral part really, but everyone needs a solid backup who can step in and start if there are injuries. i think he can be that guy

[Prokorov]

If Whitehead's ceiling is Patrick Beverley, that could be an integral part of the future. But Whitehead needs to get his 3PT% to at least 37% and his FT% to low 80%.

I wouldn't be unhappy if the team traded Bogs for two 2nd rounders and gave his 25 mpg to Harris, RHJ, and Levert. Bogs doesn't seem to be a part of the team's future so why waste any development time on him? He's not teaching the young folks any hustle.

im fine with that trade also.

i do think bogs servers a role though. you need guys who can create offense on the floor so young guys arent leaned on to create offense and develop bad habits. you also need shooters. he is one of few we have that is somewhat reliable

[bws94]

If Whitehead's ceiling is Patrick Beverley, that could be an integral part of the future. But Whitehead needs to get his 3PT% to at least 37% and his FT% to low 80%.

I wouldn't be unhappy if the team traded Bogs for two 2nd rounders and gave his 25 mpg to Harris, RHJ, and Levert. Bogs doesn't seem to be a part of the team's future so why waste any development time on him? He's not teaching the young folks any hustle.

He's not a Patrick Beverly to me. PB is a terrible finisher around the rim but a good 3 point shooter. He's basically a 3 and D guy. PW can get to the rim and finish and plays a different type of defense than PB. Plus, PB tries to get under player's skin with this shenanigans, I never see PW as a player like that but more a tough-nosed defender and competitive, but clean player.

[MrDollarBills]

Levert has nothing to do with bodily rest and everything to do with getting his foot adjusted to handling more and more minutes. He was out for a long time. You don't want to shock his body and especially his movement by going from no activity to 30 mpg. I have zero issues with how they're handling him.

And who knows...maybe RHJ is in the doghouse for all of those wild whirling dervish layups he would take in trying to force a shot at the basket lol.

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RHJ was 3-5FG on those drives, he committed only one low IQ play turnover. He also got to the line 7 times, more than any other Net, because of those drives. He was not the problem last night

I wasn't referring to last night. I meant him paying for past transgressions. But like I said, I have no idea why he wasn't playing.

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kenny probably wanted spacing.

[MrDollarBills]

maybe its a bit much for me to comment, but i dont think Whitehead is an integral part to future.....

too many BAD turnovers..... you'd think he'll learn not to do the things that get him in trouble....

eh...Whitehead averages 2.3 TOs a game. It's not that bad, and it really glosses over what he's been doing well this season. It's not a fluke that he's one of the league's top rookies.

I think he has some nice upside to be a rotational combo guard for us going forward.

Rookies are going to make mistakes. It happens, that's why I don't get too mad. If he's in year 3 making the same mistakes over and over then yeah, okay i'd get upset but he's a 2nd round pick who is thrust into a role that a lot of guys with his draft status and age would have crumbled. He for the most part plays under control, is a pitbull on defense and is by far one of the strongest guards (physically) that I've seen us draft in awhile. The guy flat out housed one of the league's top bigs on two plays in the paint last night.

[MrDollarBills]

and why is it that Yogi can't get playing time here but dinwiddiee can?

I don't think Yogi was bad but he's too small. Dinwiddie has good height, length and nice ball handling skills. His basketball IQ as a PG though is questionable.

[CalamityX12]

and why is it that Yogi can't get playing time here but dinwiddiee can?

I don't think Yogi was bad but he's too small. Dinwiddie has good height, length and nice ball handling skills. His basketball IQ as a PG though is questionable.

Is Yogi's size really make or break considering the defense of the PGs ahead of him?

At least he provides a comfortable shot from 3.....

idk, i guess i was expecting a little to a lot more with Ddinwiddie.... seems irrelevant to me.

[CalamityX12]

maybe its a bit much for me to comment, but i dont think Whitehead is an integral part to future.....

too many BAD turnovers..... you'd think he'll learn not to do the things that get him in trouble....

i think he has learned. its been like 35 games. and his turnovers are drastically down over time if you look at his splits. he is still a rookie, he still needs to learn.

i dont think he is an integral part really, but everyone needs a solid backup who can step in and start if there are injuries. i think he can be that guy

The rookie part is definitely in play but watching him play, i dont see it.... backup is perhaps his ceiling... his dribble isn't confident and he makes more of the careless mistakes/turnovers than due to pressure or good defenses IMO.

Wish he was green light to attack more and score. He needs to...

[Prokorov]

maybe its a bit much for me to comment, but i dont think Whitehead is an integral part to future.....

too many BAD turnovers..... you'd think he'll learn not to do the things that get him in trouble....

i think he has learned. its been like 35 games. and his turnovers are drastically down over time if you look at his splits. he is still a rookie, he still needs to learn.

i dont think he is an integral part really, but everyone needs a solid backup who can step in and start if there are injuries. i think he can be that guy

The rookie part is definitely in play but watching him play, i dont see it.... backup is perhaps his ceiling... his dribble isn't confident and he makes more of the careless mistakes/turnovers than due to pressure or good defenses IMO.

Wish he was green light to attack more and score. He needs to...

i think he has the green light and is even encouraged to drive. he is one of our most aggressive guys driving the ball.

ball handling will take time. he only played point 1 year in college

[bws94]

I'm in the pro-Whitehead camp. I like his poise and bull-dog defense and more than NBA-ready body. His mistakes are rookie mistakes. In fact, I'd like to see him play alongside Lin at times and perhaps close some games.

[NyCeEvO]

RHJ was 3-5FG on those drives, he committed only one low IQ play turnover. He also got to the line 7 times, more than any other Net, because of those drives. He was not the problem last night

I wasn't referring to last night. I meant him paying for past transgressions. But like I said, I have no idea why he wasn't playing.

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kenny probably wanted spacing.

That's what I first suggested.

I just wish people would calm down with the criticism. He's a rookie too.

We do this with every single coach. At some point, we should probably estimate that coaching isn't that simple and that they're thinking about tons of things at once. They have to actually put together a product to sell to the fanbase, and we have the easy job of nitpicking every little thing.

He's going to screw up. Just like how Whitehead has some aggravating growing pains, Kenny has some too. Let's allow the dude grow before we go to Barclays with pitchforks and demand another coaching change only to do the same stuff over and over again every year.

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[CalamityX12]

I wasn't referring to last night. I meant him paying for past transgressions. But like I said, I have no idea why he wasn't playing.

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kenny probably wanted spacing.

That's what I first suggested.

I just wish people would calm down with the criticism. He's a rookie too.

We do this with every single coach. At some point, we should probably estimate that coaching isn't that simple and that they're thinking about tons of things at once. They have to actually put together a product to sell to the fanbase, and we have the easy job of nitpicking every little thing.

He's going to screw up. Just like how Whitehead has some aggravating growing pains, Kenny has some too. Let's allow the dude grow before we go to Barclays with pitchforks and demand another coaching change only to do the same stuff over and over again every year.

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where's the fun in that?

who do we critique?

[Pistolpete1947]

kenny probably wanted spacing.

That's what I first suggested.

I just wish people would calm down with the criticism. He's a rookie too.

We do this with every single coach. At some point, we should probably estimate that coaching isn't that simple and that they're thinking about tons of things at once. They have to actually put together a product to sell to the fanbase, and we have the easy job of nitpicking every little thing.

He's going to screw up. Just like how Whitehead has some aggravating growing pains, Kenny has some too. Let's allow the dude grow before we go to Barclays with pitchforks and demand another coaching change only to do the same stuff over and over again every year.

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where's the fun in that?

who do we critique?

Well you've always got Lin fans...

[Curns13]

gotta look big picture. forget the wins... RHJ's offense has been the best its been all year at the 4 spot. they need to take a look at him and see where he can and cant help us so we are ahead of the curve down the road

That doesn't mean he should exclusively be a 4. No reason he can't still contribute in both spots.

Who is saying he wont once winning becomes more important in a year or two?

If he doesnt defend a wing for 2 years, how can that possibly be an elite skill of his anymore. Look, i'm not wetting the bed on this. KA should definitely look to test the kids and see exactly what they are capable of. But RHJ does one thing at an elite level and it worries me that KA might be moving away from him using that skill. Develop his confidence off the dribble, work on his shot (and pray a lot), get him playing the 4 a bit more (I actually called for this in the offseason) but please don't abandon the one elite skill he has.

[Paradise]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here lol

Whitehead has been one of the best rookie guards in the league and finished with 11/6 including an incredible block on Rudy Gobert. Now, he's not apart of the future because makes...rookie mistakes? A kid who is learning a new position in a fast paced offense when most rookies are told to slow down the tempo. He's exceeded my expectations. It doesn't make his turnovers okay but it's to be expected in the same token.

You don't think Phoenix, Minny, Philadelphia, among other teams experience is the same issues? Because none of those teams are any good and they are filled with talent. I don't see Kris Dunn winning Rookie Of the Year or setting the world on fire. It doesn't mean he isn't any less of a centerpiece for Minnesota either.

Calm down, people. You signed up for this as much as they did lol


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