Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[kane2021]

Knicks keep turning the roster over, turning the coaches over, and yet still play offense a certain way and tend to have the same issues on defense? Yet who is the constant? I've generally supported Melo but it's time to see what the issue is.

Players can be good but ultimately not that conducive to good teams. Part of it is the Knicks, always firing coaches and trying another. But the teams sure do seem to quit or tune coaches out here pretty damn quick. I'm not saying Melo led the revolt on Woodson. He lost the team; it was clear as day. But it sure seems to be a trend that coaches get tuned out pretty quick. Some of them deserve it, others maybe not.

Name a coach that didn't deserve it.
The only one I can think of is Woody.

D'Antoni deserved it and before he got linked up with Harden people wondered why the fuq he would ever be considered for another head coaching job.

Rambis is a poor coach. Period.
Fisher was inexperienced and it showed.


Every coach that comes here ain't sh*t this has been since JVG.

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

Truth be told. The knicks actually looked pretty good before the z bo and Crawford trades. Sometimes I think back to that and wonder.


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[god shammgod]

Name a coach that didn't deserve it.
The only one I can think of is Woody.

D'Antoni deserved it and before he got linked up with Harden people wondered why the fuq he would ever be considered for another head coaching job.

Rambis is a poor coach. Period.
Fisher was inexperienced and it showed.


Every coach that comes here ain't sh*t this has been since JVG.

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

His system was good for a yr and a half. The problem was that Woodson made adjustments, when it stopped working. He also made no adjustments to his rotation when JR was a net negative, and Novak + Cope should've gotten playing time over him.

the problem really was the next year when we forced to have bargs start and moved melo back to the 3. who knows if that is woody's fault ?

[El Poochio]

he shot 40 percent in december. he really hasn't.

Shooting slump wont mean he is playing bad and isnt our best individual performer

she said he had bad games. i mean, didn't he ? you can't even say that ?

I dont know whats your point, if you mean he had a bad December statistically his rebounding, blocks and defensive numbers were up

[KnickFan33]

Name a coach that didn't deserve it.
The only one I can think of is Woody.

D'Antoni deserved it and before he got linked up with Harden people wondered why the fuq he would ever be considered for another head coaching job.

Rambis is a poor coach. Period.
Fisher was inexperienced and it showed.


Every coach that comes here ain't sh*t this has been since JVG.

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

His system was good for a yr and a half. The problem was that Woodson made adjustments, when it stopped working. He also made no adjustments to his rotation when JR was a net negative, and Novak + Cope should've gotten playing time over him.

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

[Mike Breen]

he shot 40 percent in december. he really hasn't.

Shooting slump wont mean he is playing bad and isnt our best individual performer

she said he had bad games. i mean, didn't he ? you can't even say that ?

The problem is it's not exactly clear what she's saying. Is she backing off her initial claim that everyone is a mess and that KP has simply had some bad games or is she saying that KP had some bad games therefore he's a mess?

[Capn'O]

Name a coach that didn't deserve it.
The only one I can think of is Woody.

D'Antoni deserved it and before he got linked up with Harden people wondered why the fuq he would ever be considered for another head coaching job.

Rambis is a poor coach. Period.
Fisher was inexperienced and it showed.


Every coach that comes here ain't sh*t this has been since JVG.

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

Truth be told. The knicks actually looked pretty good before the z bo and Crawford trades. Sometimes I think back to that and wonder.


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ZBo and Craw were guys I had totally wrong. The issue was pairing them with guys like Marbury and Curry that highlighted their shortcomings but once the duplication was out of the picture their talents were highlighted. Bring Marc in here and... anyway.

Forget "TKF was right." Stutterstep was right

[Yankeeknickfan]

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

His system was good for a yr and a half. The problem was that Woodson made no adjustments, when it stopped working. He also made no adjustments to his rotation when JR was a net negative, and Novak + Cope should've gotten playing time over him.

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

[KnickFan33]

His system was good for a yr and a half. The problem was that Woodson made no adjustments, when it stopped working. He also made no adjustments to his rotation when JR was a net negative, and Novak + Cope should've gotten playing time over him.

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

LMA and Pau are hardly saplings...

[god shammgod]

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

LMA and Pau are hardly saplings...

on defense they are

[HarthorneWingo]

Name a coach that didn't deserve it.
The only one I can think of is Woody.

D'Antoni deserved it and before he got linked up with Harden people wondered why the fuq he would ever be considered for another head coaching job.

Rambis is a poor coach. Period.
Fisher was inexperienced and it showed.


Every coach that comes here ain't sh*t this has been since JVG.

D'Antoni didn't deserve it. He babysat the team while the roster went through a major overhaul. We were making strides before the Melo trade. Then the trade came and we didn't have a PG that fit MDA's system. Then we got one in Lin and Melo didn't buy into it and then Lin and D'Antoni were gone. It's no surprise Mike is winning big in Houston.

Woodson was an idiot.

Truth be told. The knicks actually looked pretty good before the z bo and Crawford trades. Sometimes I think back to that and wonder.


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True dat.

[Yankeeknickfan]

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

LMA and Pau are hardly saplings...

Well they aren't 2 centers



Still, you get my point

[HarthorneWingo]

His system was good for a yr and a half. The problem was that Woodson made no adjustments, when it stopped working. He also made no adjustments to his rotation when JR was a net negative, and Novak + Cope should've gotten playing time over him.

D'Antoni's system works fine. He's proved it in Phoenix and he's proving it now in Houston. The issue with the Knicks and the Lakers was he had players who essentially rebelled against him. Here it was Billups and Melo, on the Lakers it was Kobe. If a coach's players don't buy in, what chance could there possibly be of success?

Arguing that the rosters didn't have the players to run the system, however, is a different story.

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

Ok, but you don't hire a Mike D'Antoni unless you believe in his system and you set out to get him his type of players. Because you see what happens when he has his type of players. He wins.

[Knicksfan1992]

This revisionist history about the pre-Melo trade Knicks under D'Antoni is the most skewed/inaccurate retelling thing by people on this board. We were literally pretty much in the same spot we are now back then with STAT playing out of his skull to drag us to an 8 seed... Yeah I wonder how that would have turned out... give me an effin break with the D'Antoni crap and how Melo "ruined" that.. People will twist anything to be right about Melo. It would be a cool psychology experiment to see what leads people to do that...

[dakomish23]

Anybody post this yet? I can watch this all day.

Read on Twitter

I need to see the whole sequence all the way through. Because I bet Jeff was walking down to the bench and calling in a sub

But that won't fit the agenda

Yeah, a sub for Melo!

Talk about fitting an agenda. C'mon dude, did you hear Breen? Did you watch Jeff's body language?

We're back on the body language? And tell me something, anything, Breen or Clyde don't point out every chance they get to blame Melo for?

Did he or did he not go call a sub? That's all I want to know

[Knicksfan1992]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

[KnickFan33]

a great coach is able to adjust the system to their players.

Pop doesn't have 2 trees anymore

LMA and Pau are hardly saplings...

Well they aren't 2 centers



Still, you get my point

Regardless, they're still 2nd in the West. Now is it because they bought into the system? Or he's adapted around their deficiencies? Probably a mixture of both. But he doesn't have players that outright go against his system.

Your argument about coach adapting to talent may be valid, but the example of Popovic isn't exactly a good one. It might be if he coached other teams.

[HarthorneWingo]

I need to see the whole sequence all the way through. Because I bet Jeff was walking down to the bench and calling in a sub

But that won't fit the agenda

Yeah, a sub for Melo!

Talk about fitting an agenda. C'mon dude, did you hear Breen? Did you watch Jeff's body language?

We're back on the body language? And tell me something, anything, Breen or Clyde don't point out every chance they get to blame Melo for?

Did he or did he not go call a sub? That's all I want to know

I don't know. But assuming he did, that doesn't mean he wasn't disgusted with Melo.

[KnickFan33]

This revisionist history about the pre-Melo trade Knicks under D'Antoni is the most skewed/inaccurate retelling thing by people on this board. We were literally pretty much in the same spot we are now back then with STAT playing out of his skull to drag us to an 8 seed... Yeah I wonder how that would have turned out... give me an effin break with the D'Antoni crap and how Melo "ruined" that.. People will twist anything to be right about Melo. It would be a cool psychology experiment to see what leads people to do that...

Were we? I seem to remember we had young potential coming up the ranks that were still learning the system, and we had cap flexibility for free agency as well.

This is not a bash on the Melo trade, but saying we were in the same spot as an organization isn't accurate. Record wise, sure... Flexibility wise, not even close.

[Sark]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

[Knicksfan1992]

This revisionist history about the pre-Melo trade Knicks under D'Antoni is the most skewed/inaccurate retelling thing by people on this board. We were literally pretty much in the same spot we are now back then with STAT playing out of his skull to drag us to an 8 seed... Yeah I wonder how that would have turned out... give me an effin break with the D'Antoni crap and how Melo "ruined" that.. People will twist anything to be right about Melo. It would be a cool psychology experiment to see what leads people to do that...

Were we? I seem to remember we had young potential coming up the ranks that were still learning the system, and we had cap flexibility for free agency as well.

This is not a bash on the Melo trade, but saying we were in the same spot as an organization isn't accurate. Record wise, sure... Flexibility wise, not even close.

Yeah.. all of that young potential. STAT on his way to another knee surgery. One of Wilson or Danilo was going to have to go at year's end so we weren't really that flexible and what did they really turn into? Mozgov turned out OK at best. And after that you had fatboy at pg and the rest was irrelevant trash. So tell me were we really better off or does your mind make you want to think that?