Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[Lotsix]

ppl really defending melo? bro how many wide open uncontested, not within 4 feet 3s did he allow? no effort bum, get him the hell away from KP, ship him to CLEV,LAC,GSW,HOU,SAS,IDGAF I am done with this guy, Name me one other teams best player that never gives any effort on D

[god shammgod]

This revisionist history about the pre-Melo trade Knicks under D'Antoni is the most skewed/inaccurate retelling thing by people on this board. We were literally pretty much in the same spot we are now back then with STAT playing out of his skull to drag us to an 8 seed... Yeah I wonder how that would have turned out... give me an effin break with the D'Antoni crap and how Melo "ruined" that.. People will twist anything to be right about Melo. It would be a cool psychology experiment to see what leads people to do that...

Were we? I seem to remember we had young potential coming up the ranks that were still learning the system, and we had cap flexibility for free agency as well.

This is not a bash on the Melo trade, but saying we were in the same spot as an organization isn't accurate. Record wise, sure... Flexibility wise, not even close.

would you rather have kp and this record or gallo & chandler. amare the cap destroyer vs noah. pretty similar but i would take now.

[DE FENSE]

I used to love me some Melo, but now its painfully clear that he is the biggest problem on this team. Whether he likes it or not, he is a leader on this team and, whether he likes it or not, leaders lead by example. The example he has made this season, game after game after game, is one of "get yours at the expense of team basketball" and "take defensive possessions off so that you can conserve energy for the offense." This is in sharp contrast to what their coach and most players wanted out of this team before the season started.

This was Melo's chance to blend into a team with plenty of talent and just be a key cog in a well-oiled machine. He needs to take a long look in the mirror and be honest with himself. He can be a good defender if he wanted to. He is fully capable of doing the things that this team needs. And if he is in fact injured, well then he needs to be honest about that fact too and make sure he is not a detriment to the team.

[god shammgod]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

[Lotsix]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

not sure if serious.....

[GONYK]

Are we really stooping to idolizing Mike D'Antoni?

[KnickFan33]

This revisionist history about the pre-Melo trade Knicks under D'Antoni is the most skewed/inaccurate retelling thing by people on this board. We were literally pretty much in the same spot we are now back then with STAT playing out of his skull to drag us to an 8 seed... Yeah I wonder how that would have turned out... give me an effin break with the D'Antoni crap and how Melo "ruined" that.. People will twist anything to be right about Melo. It would be a cool psychology experiment to see what leads people to do that...

Were we? I seem to remember we had young potential coming up the ranks that were still learning the system, and we had cap flexibility for free agency as well.

This is not a bash on the Melo trade, but saying we were in the same spot as an organization isn't accurate. Record wise, sure... Flexibility wise, not even close.

Yeah.. all of that young potential. STAT on his way to another knee surgery. One of Wilson or Danilo was going to have to go at year's end so we weren't really that flexible and what did they really turn into? Mozgov turned out OK at best. And after that you had fatboy at pg and the rest was irrelevant trash. So tell me were we really better off or does your mind make you want to think that?

This is a straw man argument. At the time there was no way to tell Amare was going to have the knee surgery. If that's the case you would be building your premise on everything happening after the trade working the exact same way. Which, to me, is illogical. It would mean we'd still take on Billups, Chandler, etc... Different roster, different needs, different transactions.

Even if one had to go, we could have signed Melo out right in the off-season if he genuinely wanted to play in NY. Even if we had to get rid of either Chandler or Gallinari, you would have had another piece around Amare and Melo. We would still have draft picks.

Edit: I repeat, this is not to trash the Melo trade. Simply trying to point out the team situation for both years isn't the same.

[CJackson]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

Oh you crazy uncle

[CJackson]

Are we really stooping to idolizing Mike D'Antoni?

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[kane2021]

Talking about systems is a waste of time when you got a guy breaking plays.


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[god shammgod]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

not sure if serious.....

he didn't play in it last year ? he wasn't passing more ? this year we don't run it. not sure if watching.

[CJackson]

Were we? I seem to remember we had young potential coming up the ranks that were still learning the system, and we had cap flexibility for free agency as well.

This is not a bash on the Melo trade, but saying we were in the same spot as an organization isn't accurate. Record wise, sure... Flexibility wise, not even close.

Yeah.. all of that young potential. STAT on his way to another knee surgery. One of Wilson or Danilo was going to have to go at year's end so we weren't really that flexible and what did they really turn into? Mozgov turned out OK at best. And after that you had fatboy at pg and the rest was irrelevant trash. So tell me were we really better off or does your mind make you want to think that?

This is a straw man argument. At the time there was no way to tell Amare was going to have the knee surgery. If that's the case you would be building your premise on everything happening after the trade working the exact same way. Which, to me, is illogical. It would mean we'd still take on Billups, Chandler, etc... Different roster, different needs, different transactions.

Even if one had to go, we could have signed Melo out right in the off-season if he genuinely wanted to play in NY. Even if we had to get rid of either Chandler or Gallinari, you would have had another piece around Amare and Melo. We would still have draft picks.

Edit: I repeat, this is not to trash the Melo trade. Simply trying to point out the team situation for both years isn't the same.

Phoenix had the best medical staff in the NBA

Only the Knicks were dumb enough not to pick up on the cue given by the Suns. When a medically advanced team is not interested in making a competitive bid to retain the services of a player with known medical issues the average GM can put 1+1 together

So either Donnie Walsh is a dummy or it was just more Dolan-directed starphuckery

[Yankeeknickfan]

If Jordan could buy into the triangle, any other player can buy into any system. It took a lot of convincing on Phil's part to get him to give up the ball the way he did, and become a more team oriented player.

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

not sure if serious.....

Last yr he led the team in assists

[KnickFan33]

Yeah.. all of that young potential. STAT on his way to another knee surgery. One of Wilson or Danilo was going to have to go at year's end so we weren't really that flexible and what did they really turn into? Mozgov turned out OK at best. And after that you had fatboy at pg and the rest was irrelevant trash. So tell me were we really better off or does your mind make you want to think that?

This is a straw man argument. At the time there was no way to tell Amare was going to have the knee surgery. If that's the case you would be building your premise on everything happening after the trade working the exact same way. Which, to me, is illogical. It would mean we'd still take on Billups, Chandler, etc... Different roster, different needs, different transactions.

Even if one had to go, we could have signed Melo out right in the off-season if he genuinely wanted to play in NY. Even if we had to get rid of either Chandler or Gallinari, you would have had another piece around Amare and Melo. We would still have draft picks.

Edit: I repeat, this is not to trash the Melo trade. Simply trying to point out the team situation for both years isn't the same.

Phoenix had the best medical staff in the NBA

Only the Knicks were dumb enough not to pick up on the cue given by the Suns. When a medically advanced team is not interested in making a competitive bid to retain the services of a player with known medical issues the average GM can put 1+1 together

So either Donnie Walsh is a dummy or it was just more Dolan-directed starphuckery

I was one of the ones originally worried about his knees when he was acquired, but that's beside the point. As 1992 mentioned, he was balling out that season when we made 8th.

[CJackson]

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

not sure if serious.....

Last yr he led the team in assists

You could lead the team in assists with a ferret in your shorts and lead boots playing next to last year's backcourt

[god shammgod]

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[dakomish23]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

You wanna know why? Because they'd rather have it look pretty. And nothing pretty about Melo killing a guy one on one nonstop. He can't do it as much anymore so they call him out on it now. Before they had no choice but to eat their words because he was unstoppable

[dakomish23]

melo bought into the triangle. it was all the new players this year who didn't.

not sure if serious.....

he didn't play in it last year ? he wasn't passing more ? this year we don't run it. not sure if watching.

I gotta use that

[CJackson]

This is a straw man argument. At the time there was no way to tell Amare was going to have the knee surgery. If that's the case you would be building your premise on everything happening after the trade working the exact same way. Which, to me, is illogical. It would mean we'd still take on Billups, Chandler, etc... Different roster, different needs, different transactions.

Even if one had to go, we could have signed Melo out right in the off-season if he genuinely wanted to play in NY. Even if we had to get rid of either Chandler or Gallinari, you would have had another piece around Amare and Melo. We would still have draft picks.

Edit: I repeat, this is not to trash the Melo trade. Simply trying to point out the team situation for both years isn't the same.

Phoenix had the best medical staff in the NBA

Only the Knicks were dumb enough not to pick up on the cue given by the Suns. When a medically advanced team is not interested in making a competitive bid to retain the services of a player with known medical issues the average GM can put 1+1 together

So either Donnie Walsh is a dummy or it was just more Dolan-directed starphuckery

I was one of the ones originally worried about his knees when he was acquired, but that's beside the point. As 1992 mentioned, he was balling out that season when we made 8th.

Yet it is the point if he was toast after that first year of a five year deal

He was playing well until Melo got here though. They were like oil and vinegar after that and Stat was not even very good the rest of the season, just OK and that could be due to chemistry or he was already wearing down

So I don't even consider Stat to have produced a full year of excellence

[Gary Cokeman]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

Melo's "style" is shooting contested mid-range Iso's at a 40% clip. It's losing basketball. D'antoni's style is the exact opposite, floor spaced P&R spamming leading to wide open 3's (One of the best shots in basketball). I saw a shot chart where the Rockets team combined shot something like 250 mid range J's ALL SEASON. Melo's probably taken more than that by himself. His terms and style of play suck, why do people still defend it? I don't understand.