Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[KnickFan33]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

You wanna know why? Because they'd rather have it look pretty. And nothing pretty about Melo killing a guy one on one nonstop. He can't do it as much anymore so they call him out on it now. Before they had no choice but to eat their words because he was unstoppable

Just pointing these parts out.

[dakomish23]

Yeah, a sub for Melo!

Talk about fitting an agenda. C'mon dude, did you hear Breen? Did you watch Jeff's body language?

We're back on the body language? And tell me something, anything, Breen or Clyde don't point out every chance they get to blame Melo for?

Did he or did he not go call a sub? That's all I want to know

I don't know. But assuming he did, that doesn't mean he wasn't disgusted with Melo.

I'm not making the assumptions here. You are assuming he was disgusted with Melo. Maybe he was. I'm saying if he's walking down the bench to call a sub, it's typical BS reporting that is taking a snipet of that sequence and spinning it.

You know what I'd love? Some actual proof other than assumptions. If Jeff is mad at the 1 on 1 play, then say it. He can do so without bashing Melo. Just say we need to run better plays to get him off the ball so he doesn't have to rely on the ISO so much. And I'd be the first to say that's what they should do. I've asked for it from the first game when he started out on fire against CLE.

We all win if we can see Olympic Melo

[dakomish23]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

You wanna know why? Because they'd rather have it look pretty. And nothing pretty about Melo killing a guy one on one nonstop. He can't do it as much anymore so they call him out on it now. Before they had no choice but to eat their words because he was unstoppable

Just pointing these parts out.

No disagreement from me and that's why I said it. I'm ready for KP to step up and be the #1. Just not sure if he's ready to. We all win!

[Capn'O]

Melo did click with Fisher for whatever reason.

[CJackson]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

You wanna know why? Because they'd rather have it look pretty. And nothing pretty about Melo killing a guy one on one nonstop. He can't do it as much anymore so they call him out on it now. Before they had no choice but to eat their words because he was unstoppable

We never had to eat our words when Melo was "killing it" because not everyone agrees that he has ever been a proper # 1 option. You can hero worship his glory days, but not everybody was his lap dog falling all over themselves to applaud his low efficiency, me-first style of play

Melo has the heart of a mouse, not a champion. He could never lead a team to glory. He thinks he's an alpha, but he is just a chucker with a false sense of entitlement

So nobody ever had to eat a single word spoken in criticism about Melo because some of us have always been right that you cannot build a team around Melo. The guy can be added to a team with other alphas if he would fall into line, but any team that is constructed around this diva is dooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeedddddddddd to failure

And enough of us have been right about this all along

Bon Appetit!

[Yankeeknickfan]

not sure if serious.....

Last yr he led the team in assists

You could lead the team in assists with a ferret in your shorts and lead boots playing next to last year's backcourt

So he got assists while playing with bums

Wow. You really do like Melo. That's a pro Melo argument

[NOOB77]

We aren't the worst defensive team in the league because of one player. Fact is we have no defensive schemes. In preseason Jeff didn't feel it was necessary to Install those. All players complained about our defensive scheme or lack there off.

I blame offense on players and defense on the coaches.

[DOT]

Funny thing is people bash Melo for the same reason they want to apologize for Mike. Apparently Melo wants to win on his own terms with his own style of play and that makes him the bad guy but, MDA wants to do the same thing and we should feel bad for him? FOH. that's nonsense and hypocritical to say the least.

Melo's "style" is shooting contested mid-range Iso's at a 40% clip. It's losing basketball. D'antoni's style is the exact opposite, floor spaced P&R spamming leading to wide open 3's (One of the best shots in basketball). I saw a shot chart where the Rockets team combined shot something like 250 mid range J's ALL SEASON. Melo's probably taken more than that by himself. His terms and style of play suck, why do people still defend it? I don't understand.

I didn't realize that your "style" is a play you use on 5 possessions per game

[god shammgod]

who cares really. it's not working now. we can all agree on that. he's older now, he might stay. but it's time to rebuild, they're not making the playoffs. they'll continue this charade for january but they should be sellers before the deadline if they're smart. and fire f*cking phil. no more of this nonsense.

[god shammgod]

We aren't the worst defensive team in the league because of one player. Fact is we have no defensive schemes. In preseason Jeff didn't feel it was necessary to I stall those. All players complained about our defensive scheme or lack there off.

I blame offense on players and defense on the coaches.

it's what i keep saying. jeff is out there saying he can't even fix it now.

[CJackson]

Last yr he led the team in assists

You could lead the team in assists with a ferret in your shorts and lead boots playing next to last year's backcourt

So he got assists while playing with bums

Wow. You really do like Melo. That's a pro Melo argument

The team ranked 26th in assists last year with 20.5 APG so Melo getting 4.2 APG is no great accomplishment.

[DOT]

We aren't the worst defensive team in the league because of one player. Fact is we have no defensive schemes. In preseason Jeff didn't feel it was necessary to I stall those. All players complained about our defensive scheme or lack there off.

I blame offense on players and defense on the coaches.

Yep. As much as I like Jeff, he needs someone to take care of the defensive scheme. Last year with KP and Rolo clogging the paint, you could have the guards go over screens and force the ball handler into the paint towards a contested shot. Now that we have Noah (who is a worse rim protector than Rolo, but overall about the same defensively), you have to come up with a good scheme and instill it into the players, which would be hard in the first place seeing as we replaced 3 starters and 4 of our main reserves, but given Horny is not a good defensive coach, is nearly impossible

[CJackson]

We aren't the worst defensive team in the league because of one player. Fact is we have no defensive schemes. In preseason Jeff didn't feel it was necessary to Install those. All players complained about our defensive scheme or lack there off.

I blame offense on players and defense on the coaches.

The team is built around servicing Melo

The team tries to win by outscoring other teams and playing crap defense just like Melo

This team plays in the image of Melo. It is performing just like he does

If your top player dogs it then everyone else does too eventually unless there is an intervention

[Dr. Detfink]

Melo was matched up on Ryan Anderson who didn't destroy Melo with his height but launching 3-pointer after 3-pointer ANY time Melo wanted to play scoring game. The only problem being the Knicks did not have the lead, Melo eats WAY too much clock, and the Rockets push the ball.

There's your lack of D.

[El Poochio]

Melo haters gonna be lost for words when his leadership leads us to 10th pick and a young guard to ride the Unicorn for the next 15 years

[Deeeez Knicks]

Its not all Melo’s fault, but this is supposed to be his team and dude is playing like he doesn’t care. Most of the team was talking a ton before the season and now they aren’t even showing up. The lack of effort and discipline is just embarrassing. These guys are supposed to be vets that know how to win and they look like a bunch of rookies out there. It’s a disgrace.

[Lotsix]

this cant be fixed because there is no effort defensively, its such a joke man

[GONYK]

Its not all Melo’s fault, but this is supposed to be his team and dude is playing like he doesn’t care. Most of the team was talking a ton before the season and now they aren’t even showing up. The lack of effort and discipline is just embarrassing. These guys are supposed to be vets that know how to win and they look like a bunch of rookies out there. It’s a disgrace.

Pretty much. Melo isn't the sole problem, but he's certainly not doing the things that illuminate the path to a solution.

[Knicks_Fan2]

this cant be fixed because there is no effort defensively, its such a joke man

It has gotten to the point where people overrate effort on defense. You don't just need effort, you need talent (body type) and awareness (bbiq). OUr team has some of the former and none of the latter. We constantly run right in (not an effort issue) into flare screens, rotate without considering personnel (not an effort issue) and do not force offensive players to their worst tendencies (going over a screen on elfrid payton is low bbiq). You cannot fix this issue without fixing personnel.

[Oscirus]

If either Lee or KP don't start, our defense for that game is done.

I'll still give props to Melo, because last year, he did lead the team in points assists and rebounds but this year man, wow. That's not to let the rest of the team off the hook, but he seems to have just fallen off of a cliff.