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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#1061 » by whocares1 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 2:57 am

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They were headed nowhere before the season started..I believe you're just a recent inductee in team tank.

well you're wrong since I've been on Team Tank for damn near 2 years...too bad we didn't have our pick last season


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Post#1062 » by power12 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:01 am

Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.
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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#1063 » by whocares1 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:01 am

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Mecca wrote:Noah for 4 years 72 million after he was benched the season before for sucking lmfaooooo yikes



yeah, this gets too much of a pass. this will go down as a legendary bad knicks signing. and that's impressive considering the amount of suspect signings this team has made throughout the years.


We literally talk about it every day. EVERY DAY.
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Post#1064 » by blueNorange » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:04 am

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Thugger HBC wrote:Nearly everywhere I've been today folks were talking about that play of Melo blowing off the play Hornacek wanted. With one person that I respect their b-ball knowledge I told him "had he made the shot, everything would have been fine". They agreed for the most part.

The part that is bad about it is...and I see the discussion about Melo's IQ, and no, I don't think he's a smart basketball player, skilled absolutely, not smart. Melo is actually on the dunce side on the basketball court. If his brain matched his skillset, he'd certainly use his variety of ways to produce points on the court in a much easier way, and likely would have been an NBA champion by now somewhere. Every shot he takes seems to be one he has to work hard to get off. the harder the shot, the tougher the cover, the more he wants to shoot that shot.

At least JR was honest when he said he'd rather have a contested shot than an open one.....

"I'd rather take a contested shot than an open shot any day," he said. "It's kind of boring when you get open shots. It's more pressure because when you get a wide-open shot everyone is expecting you to make it."


Melo is heck of an offensive talent for sure, can do many things on and off the ball, and has shown at times he can be a capable defender, playmaker, etc....and yes, he'll certainly be in the HOF.

But he'll be lumped into the group of those guys that wont be talked about so much once they retire, and no he wont be getting his jersey retired in the MSG rafters. That really makes no sense to even consider at this point.


Not only does he want to take contested shots, he takes certain matchups and intense defense personally, as if to prove a point to the defender. It almost always results in a low percentage shot. I'm pretty sure it's a strategy employed by a few teams. Harden was goading him in both games against them.
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Post#1065 » by blueNorange » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:05 am

i said the noah signing was terrible when it was just a rumor

if noah still had it, he'd still be a bull.
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Post#1066 » by whocares1 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:10 am

power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Re watched it. 100% not Melo's fault.
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Post#1067 » by Guano » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:12 am

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Mecca wrote:Noah for 4 years 72 million after he was benched the season before for sucking lmfaooooo yikes



yeah, this gets too much of a pass. this will go down as a legendary bad knicks signing. and that's impressive considering the amount of suspect signings this team has made throughout the years.


We literally talk about it every day. EVERY DAY.


don't mind me. i show up every once in a while to spout off.

please carry on.
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Post#1068 » by Adelheid » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:19 am

On that sequence, KoQ was "somewhat" open at 0:55 of the vid and BJ didnt pass it to him instead pass it to Melo
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Post#1069 » by El Poochio » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:25 am

power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Lol what a joke, Melo was actually calling for the pick, Rondo my azzz, the conspiracy grows as msg presented this on a very different manner than what it is in truth
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Post#1070 » by E-Balla » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:39 am

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Thugger HBC wrote:Nearly everywhere I've been today folks were talking about that play of Melo blowing off the play Hornacek wanted. With one person that I respect their b-ball knowledge I told him "had he made the shot, everything would have been fine". They agreed for the most part.

The part that is bad about it is...and I see the discussion about Melo's IQ, and no, I don't think he's a smart basketball player, skilled absolutely, not smart. Melo is actually on the dunce side on the basketball court. If his brain matched his skillset, he'd certainly use his variety of ways to produce points on the court in a much easier way, and likely would have been an NBA champion by now somewhere. Every shot he takes seems to be one he has to work hard to get off. the harder the shot, the tougher the cover, the more he wants to shoot that shot.

At least JR was honest when he said he'd rather have a contested shot than an open one.....



Melo is heck of an offensive talent for sure, can do many things on and off the ball, and has shown at times he can be a capable defender, playmaker, etc....and yes, he'll certainly be in the HOF.

But he'll be lumped into the group of those guys that wont be talked about so much once they retire, and no he wont be getting his jersey retired in the MSG rafters. That really makes no sense to even consider at this point.

Its funny to me how one play taken out of context is such a story now. Was Melo supposed to reset the offense and let the shot clock run out? Once KOQ didn't set the screen he called for he had to choice but to chuck it and hope it went in. The reaction to this play let's me know who really watched the game (not that there's an issue with not watching that pitiful performance) and who's faking because when that play happened I was more mad at KOQ and BJ for even putting us in the situation where Melo had 3-4 seconds to iso and score.


I thought there was a set play, Melo backed up and iso'd. I think he called O'Quinn as a last resort because he knew he wasn't going to get off a good look and he buckled. Not blaming Melo because no one in that lineup could score, but it's a shame what's happened to his reliable scoring ability.

That was late in the clock tho. If it was part of the play it didn't look like it it looked broken at that point. When I first saw Horny I assumed he was mad at KOQ.
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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#1071 » by whocares1 » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:39 am

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power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Lol what a joke, Melo was actually calling for the pick, Rondo my azzz, the conspiracy grows as msg presented this on a very different manner than what it is in truth


Walt backed Melo on that play. Post game saw it differently.
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Post#1072 » by E-Balla » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:40 am

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power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Re watched it. 100% not Melo's fault.

Ah someone pulled the play finally. :lol: This is what I mean hella people want to blame him for this foolishness when he seemed to be the only one trying to salvage the play.
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Post#1073 » by iAdoreeKnicks » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:42 am

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power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Re watched it. 100% not Melo's fault.

Ah someone pulled the play finally. :lol: This is what I mean hella people want to blame him for this foolishness when he seemed to be the only one trying to salvage the play.

People see what they want to see
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Post#1074 » by E-Balla » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:42 am

You can even hear Melo screaming come on.
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Post#1075 » by Damas » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:47 am

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power12 wrote:Full play - https://streamable.com/1vmcz Melo gets the ball with 10 seconds left, calls for a pick, waves to Jennings for spacing, KO thinks Melo is calling off the pick so he hesitates, and Lee and Kuz are in the same spot.


Re watched it. 100% not Melo's fault.

Ah someone pulled the play finally. :lol: This is what I mean hella people want to blame him for this foolishness when he seemed to be the only one trying to salvage the play.


Instead of passing the ball over to someone else Melo bricks the shot. Honestly this was a bad shot and yes the screen was missed by ramming into the defence and shooting an off balance shot is not the right choice.
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Post#1076 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:54 am

Noah contract sure looks bad but KP will still only be 24, and our lottery pick taken in this year's draft only 21 or 22, when Noah expires. Not the end of the world. Shouldn't impact our KP ceiling in the final analysis.

But maybe Noah makes it more important we part ways with Melo soon, so we can use cap room before KP's Max starts.

I also consider Hernangomez a major future piece, and hope to see Holiday return.
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Post#1077 » by El Poochio » Wed Jan 4, 2017 3:55 am

Breaking up the play to call for an iso lol what else on the menu? Melo bets on opposition teams so he misses on purpose? You can not make up false statements like these man, its good for a laugh but thats it shouldnt be any serious allegation or anything close, they did even put this on prime time nba tv smh
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Post#1078 » by cayuck » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:07 am

this is by far the saddest PG thread of the season. You'd think this team had the Nets record reading through this.
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Post#1079 » by E-Balla » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:08 am

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Re watched it. 100% not Melo's fault.

Ah someone pulled the play finally. :lol: This is what I mean hella people want to blame him for this foolishness when he seemed to be the only one trying to salvage the play.


Instead of passing the ball over to someone else Melo bricks the shot. Honestly this was a bad shot and yes the screen was missed by ramming into the defence and shooting an off balance shot is not the right choice.

Who would you pass that to? Courtney Lee and Kuz who are in the same corner guarding each other? KOQ who has a defender draped all over him? BJ who's not looking for the pass and would have to take a sudden contested 3 over a defender 4 inches taller than him? Come on man. That shot by Melo was unfortunately the best we could've hoped for there. It was a bad shot but it was a bad play and that's what bad plays lead to (that or turnovers).
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Post#1080 » by E-Balla » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:30 am

Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

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