Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

whocares1 · Post #1081 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:33 am

Yes I can't blame Melo for THAT possession. He still deserves blame for slowing the pace and holding the ball too long, and challenging his defenders by taking terrible shots. That possession there was nothing there so it was either a Melo iso or a Jennings iso.

Adelheid · Post #1082 » by **Adelheid** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:33 am

E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

Not just a pg but a really great-passing guard

whocares1 · Post #1083 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:44 am

E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

Yes..but who?

JBreezeNY · Post #1084 » by **JBreezeNY** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:50 am

E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

The cycle of improperly surrounding Melo with talent continues.

E-Balla · Post #1085 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:57 am

whocares1 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

Yes..but who?

IDK but I could've (and did) told y'all Rose wasn't it. Another factoid I just looked up? The Knicks are 27th in passing out of drives and BJ and Rose are the culprits behind that. With Horny's offense being predicated off drives and isos vs mismatches the ball won't move unless our PGs start passing better (BJ passes out of the PNR but not really when he's determined to score).

E-Balla · Post #1086 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 5:01 am

JBreezeNY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

The cycle of improperly surrounding Melo with talent continues.

Its a stat I usually keep up with. Yearly his eFG% on catch and shoots since 2014 have been:
58%
54%
52% (because the Triangle had him taking midrange catch and shoot Js more often)
59%

Its crazy how every has seen how he gets down in the Olympics and up to this point in his career he's never been able to just be that guy that works off ball half the time and busts you down in iso and the post when the offense breaks down.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #1087 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 5:10 am

E-Balla wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

The cycle of improperly surrounding Melo with talent continues.

Its a stat I usually keep up with. Yearly his eFG% on catch and shoots since 2014 have been:
58%
54%
52% (because the Triangle had him taking midrange catch and shoot Js more often)
59%

Its crazy how every has seen how he gets down in the Olympics and up to this point in his career he's never been able to just be that guy that works off ball half the time and busts you down in iso and the post when the offense breaks down.

It might sound crazy but Phil should have really taken the gamble on giving Conley the big max. He would have been perfect for Melo. I knew Rose wasn't a great passer but I didn't think he was this bad.

whocares1 · Post #1088 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 5:33 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:The cycle of improperly surrounding Melo with talent continues.

Its a stat I usually keep up with. Yearly his eFG% on catch and shoots since 2014 have been:
58%
54%
52% (because the Triangle had him taking midrange catch and shoot Js more often)
59%

Its crazy how every has seen how he gets down in the Olympics and up to this point in his career he's never been able to just be that guy that works off ball half the time and busts you down in iso and the post when the offense breaks down.

It might sound crazy but Phil should have really taken the gamble on giving Conley the big max. He would have been perfect for Melo. I knew Rose wasn't a great passer but I didn't think he was this bad.

Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

Adelheid · Post #1089 » by **Adelheid** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 5:45 am

whocares1 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Its a stat I usually keep up with. Yearly his eFG% on catch and shoots since 2014 have been:
58%
54%
52% (because the Triangle had him taking midrange catch and shoot Js more often)
59%

Its crazy how every has seen how he gets down in the Olympics and up to this point in his career he's never been able to just be that guy that works off ball half the time and busts you down in iso and the post when the offense breaks down.

It might sound crazy but Phil should have really taken the gamble on giving Conley the big max. He would have been perfect for Melo. I knew Rose wasn't a great passer but I didn't think he was this bad.

Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

whocares1 · Post #1090 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 6:18 am

Adelheid wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
It might sound crazy but Phil should have really taken the gamble on giving Conley the big max. He would have been perfect for Melo. I knew Rose wasn't a great passer but I didn't think he was this bad.

Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

I just looked it up. The Knicks have a better record than 13 teams right now. I'm about to vomit.

levendis · Post #1091 » by **levendis** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 7:08 am

whocares1 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

Yes..but who?

E-Balla · Post #1092 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 12:25 pm

levendis wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Just looked it up and among guys with over 3 attempts per game Melo is the 8th most efficient catch and shoot player in the league. He's 41% on catch and shoot 3s and 17% on pull up 3s. I've been saying this for a while and imma keep saying it: we need a PG bad.

Yes..but who?

Jrue's offense ain't too hot but man he's a great defender.

E-Balla · Post #1093 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 12:33 pm

Adelheid wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
It might sound crazy but Phil should have really taken the gamble on giving Conley the big max. He would have been perfect for Melo. I knew Rose wasn't a great passer but I didn't think he was this bad.

Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

We'll never be as bad as the bottom feeders. Truth is the value of picks outside of the top 5 but still in the lotto are the same. Unless tanking makes us a bottom 5 team there's no point and there's no way we end up bottom 5.

Devin Booker was the 13th pick, Zach Lavine & TJ Warren the 13th & 14th, Giannis & Schroeder the 15th & 17th, the Morris'/Kawhi/Vucci were all the 13th-16th picks, etc. Tanking to end up with the 8th pick instead of the 14th pick doesn't give you a better chance to get a better player in most situations unless the draft's elite players are 8 deep (they aren't).

whocares1 · Post #1094 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 12:41 pm

E-Balla wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

We'll never be as bad as the bottom feeders. Truth is the value of picks outside of the top 5 but still in the lotto are the same. Unless tanking makes us a bottom 5 team there's no point and there's no way we end up bottom 5.

Devin Booker was the 13th pick, Zach Lavine & TJ Warren the 13th & 14th, Giannis & Schroeder the 15th & 17th, the Morris'/Kawhi/Vucci were all the 13th-16th picks, etc. Tanking to end up with the 8th pick instead of the 14th pick doesn't give you a better chance to get a better player in most situations unless the draft's elite players are 8 deep (they aren't).

I don't understand this logic. If the Knicks make a chart of three players that they'd like to draft and they like one candidate a lot in particular, they should be in the best position to acquire that player by picking earlier in the draft.

Remember when the Knicks' first choice was Steph Curry, and once he was drafted by GS they ended up selecting Jordan Hill. Case in point stars can come from any part of the draft, but I want the Knicks to be in the best position to draft the player they like the most.

Sark · Post #1095 » by **Sark** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 12:49 pm

whocares1 wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Memphis max is larger than a road team's max. He was never coming here. Knicks at this point needs to lose, but when Porzingis is healthy the team won't be bad enough to submerge all the way to the bottom.

If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

I just looked it up. The Knicks have a better record than 13 teams right now. I'm about to vomit.

We're only 5.5 games out of the 5th spot of the draft, and our schedule is brutal in January. We can easily plummet. By the end of the month, we might be looking at a 20 - 30 record, or worse(better depending on your allegiance).

E-Balla · Post #1096 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 1:04 pm

whocares1 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
If KP is shutdown temporarily (like now), we can freefall easily. The bottom-dwellers need to win some for us to catch up, as disgusting as it may sound.

We'll never be as bad as the bottom feeders. Truth is the value of picks outside of the top 5 but still in the lotto are the same. Unless tanking makes us a bottom 5 team there's no point and there's no way we end up bottom 5.

Devin Booker was the 13th pick, Zach Lavine & TJ Warren the 13th & 14th, Giannis & Schroeder the 15th & 17th, the Morris'/Kawhi/Vucci were all the 13th-16th picks, etc. Tanking to end up with the 8th pick instead of the 14th pick doesn't give you a better chance to get a better player in most situations unless the draft's elite players are 8 deep (they aren't).

I don't understand this logic. If the Knicks make a chart of three players that they'd like to draft and they like one candidate a lot in particular, they should be in the best position to acquire that player by picking earlier in the draft.

Remember when the Knicks' first choice was Steph Curry, and once he was drafted by GS they ended up selecting Jordan Hill. Case in point stars can come from any part of the draft, but I want the Knicks to be in the best position to draft the player they like the most.

But we had the 9th pick that year and that's my point. We don't know what their draft board looks like but we do know in the grand scheme we aren't going to be worse than the bottom 7. We just aren't that bad. We also know the 6-15th picks have about the same chance of striking gold. Unless you shoot for a bottom 3 record tanking still isn't worth it and we have enough wins already to win 5 or so games the rest of the way and not be bottom 3.

Sark · Post #1097 » by **Sark** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 2:23 pm

By SRS, there are 7 teams worse than us, and one of them(Orlando) just kicked our ass. If Melo does eventually ask for a trade, we could be a bottom 5 team.

levendis · Post #1098 » by **levendis** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:02 pm

E-Balla wrote:
levendis wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Yes..but who?

Jrue's offense ain't too hot but man he's a great defender.

He's a better 3 point shooter, distributor and defender than Rose. He'd be a major upgrade.

whocares1 · Post #1099 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:06 pm

levendis wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
levendis wrote:

Jrue's offense ain't too hot but man he's a great defender.

He's a better 3 point shooter, distributor and defender than Rose. He'd be a major upgrade.

He is but he's not coming here so it's pointless discussing him.

levendis · Post #1100 » by **levendis** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 4:09 pm

whocares1 wrote:
levendis wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Jrue's offense ain't too hot but man he's a great defender.

He's a better 3 point shooter, distributor and defender than Rose. He'd be a major upgrade.

He is but he's not coming here so it's pointless discussing him.

why? He's a FA next year.