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OrlandO wrote:I don't know why Crowder even followed us.... he's locked into a long deal... he has no say where he goes even if boston wanted to trade him.
BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandO wrote:I don't know why Crowder even followed us.... he's locked into a long deal... he has no say where he goes even if boston wanted to trade him.
Probably because he is a basketball fan and visits alot. I have seen playes who watch all teams games and are fans of many teams because they are so diehard. Is that hard to believe?
Nik plays more minutes as a reserve than he does as a starter and has been worlds better than Biyombo outside of blocking shots. The only reason he's a reserve is because we cant play Payton and Biz together. Crowder is a slight overall improvement at SF compared to the massive drop off in talent we'd experience going from Biz/Nik to Biz/Zimmerman. Not only that but the one two punch of Payton/Nik has been better for us than what Crowder could bring as an individual player. This is another bandaid fix imo.PennytoShaq wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:Jae Crowder would be loved here if we did get him. He plays good defense and is a hard worker. He brings energy every night and is a two way player. I would not give up Gordon for him though, but Vuc - yes. That would be a nice deal for the Magic.
The Magic would then need to go after a scoring PG in free agency or hope that Elf turns up his engine so he can deliver at a high level every night.
The negative impact of moving Nik would effect us more than anything Crowder could bring us. That would be a massive downgrade at center.
Not sure I agree with that. The Magic need 2 way players on the wing more than down low. Crowder is not a star, but he is a 2 way player who also brings a lot more consistent energy every night, which is something we need badly.
Nik does not even start for us now, so even though he has been quite good off the bench, having a starting wing who would slide AG down to PF or move him to a 6th man role would help us immensely.
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Hollis Thompson just got waived by the 76ers, always liked the kid.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Nik plays more minutes as a reserve than he does as a starter and has been worlds better than Biyombo outside of blocking shots. The only reason he's a reserve is because we cant play Payton and Biz together. Crowder is a slight overall improvement at SF compared to the massive drop off in talent we'd experience going from Biz/Nik to Biz/Zimmerman. Not only that but the one two punch of Payton/Nik has been better for us than what Crowder could bring as an individual player. This is another bandaid fix imo.PennytoShaq wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:The negative impact of moving Nik would effect us more than anything Crowder could bring us. That would be a massive downgrade at center.
Not sure I agree with that. The Magic need 2 way players on the wing more than down low. Crowder is not a star, but he is a 2 way player who also brings a lot more consistent energy every night, which is something we need badly.
Nik does not even start for us now, so even though he has been quite good off the bench, having a starting wing who would slide AG down to PF or move him to a 6th man role would help us immensely.
Im tired of the front office getting in their own way when it comes to player development. I think AG could become a better version of Crowder if they would just let him get into a damn rhythm and keep growing. I'm concerned that not one of our three top 10 picks has seen any development and I feel like the constant coaching, rotation, and personal changes attribute to that. Henny needs to calm the hell down if he has any knee jerk panic moves in mind.
OrlandO wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:He unfollowed us lol. Jae was just trolling the Cs after that. What a boss
First Millsap and now Crowder. We're becoming the team players use to put their team in check.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Hollis Thompson just got waived by the 76ers, always liked the kid.
Most definitely should give him a shot. But, you have to wonder why he would get waived from NBA's worst team at a position of need.
pepe1991 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Hollis Thompson just got waived by the 76ers, always liked the kid.
Most definitely should give him a shot. But, you have to wonder why he would get waived from NBA's worst team at a position of need.
76ers are probably doing a trade so they need space or something.
PennytoShaq wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:Nik plays more minutes as a reserve than he does as a starter and has been worlds better than Biyombo outside of blocking shots. The only reason he's a reserve is because we cant play Payton and Biz together. Crowder is a slight overall improvement at SF compared to the massive drop off in talent we'd experience going from Biz/Nik to Biz/Zimmerman. Not only that but the one two punch of Payton/Nik has been better for us than what Crowder could bring as an individual player. This is another bandaid fix imo.PennytoShaq wrote:
Not sure I agree with that. The Magic need 2 way players on the wing more than down low. Crowder is not a star, but he is a 2 way player who also brings a lot more consistent energy every night, which is something we need badly.
Nik does not even start for us now, so even though he has been quite good off the bench, having a starting wing who would slide AG down to PF or move him to a 6th man role would help us immensely.
Im tired of the front office getting in their own way when it comes to player development. I think AG could become a better version of Crowder if they would just let him get into a damn rhythm and keep growing. I'm concerned that not one of our three top 10 picks has seen any development and I feel like the constant coaching, rotation, and personal changes attribute to that. Henny needs to calm the hell down if he has any knee jerk panic moves in mind.
Outside of blocking shots - that is the main role of a 5 now. Protecting the rim.
If your team's offense is inside out in 2017, you are going to have a bad time. That is why the Golden State Warriors and Cavs have journeymen at 5 and still are title favorites.
The drop off in talent at Center is highly overstated. We have too many bigs and could use an upgrade at the wing.
OrlandoDream wrote:pepe1991 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
Most definitely should give him a shot. But, you have to wonder why he would get waived from NBA's worst team at a position of need.
76ers are probably doing a trade so they need space or something.
This guy is a shooter. Give him a chance. We aren't playing Mario and he can't be worse then Green or CJ.
RickB-Orlando wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:Nik plays more minutes as a reserve than he does as a starter and has been worlds better than Biyombo outside of blocking shots. The only reason he's a reserve is because we cant play Payton and Biz together. Crowder is a slight overall improvement at SF compared to the massive drop off in talent we'd experience going from Biz/Nik to Biz/Zimmerman. Not only that but the one two punch of Payton/Nik has been better for us than what Crowder could bring as an individual player. This is another bandaid fix imo.
Im tired of the front office getting in their own way when it comes to player development. I think AG could become a better version of Crowder if they would just let him get into a damn rhythm and keep growing. I'm concerned that not one of our three top 10 picks has seen any development and I feel like the constant coaching, rotation, and personal changes attribute to that. Henny needs to calm the hell down if he has any knee jerk panic moves in mind.
Outside of blocking shots - that is the main role of a 5 now. Protecting the rim.
For the record, blocking shots does not equal protecting the rim or playing great defense. Some excellent defensive bigs also block a shot or two, but that isn't the only trick of a defensive center.If your team's offense is inside out in 2017, you are going to have a bad time. That is why the Golden State Warriors and Cavs have journeymen at 5 and still are title favorites.
Just guessing here, but I think the fact that both teams have multiple stars at every position except center might also be a factor. They're good despite having journeymen centers, not because they have journeymen centers.The drop off in talent at Center is highly overstated. We have too many bigs and could use an upgrade at the wing.
Well, it is unless you happen to watch Vuc and Biz both play, at which point it becomes quite obvious. I'm not saying we shouldn't trade Vuc for a scoring (preferably two-way) wing, but I don't agree with your statements that you can't win with an inside-out approach, and I do believe there is a significant talent difference between Vuc and Biz, at least right now.
PennytoShaq wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:
Outside of blocking shots - that is the main role of a 5 now. Protecting the rim.
For the record, blocking shots does not equal protecting the rim or playing great defense. Some excellent defensive bigs also block a shot or two, but that isn't the only trick of a defensive center.If your team's offense is inside out in 2017, you are going to have a bad time. That is why the Golden State Warriors and Cavs have journeymen at 5 and still are title favorites.
Just guessing here, but I think the fact that both teams have multiple stars at every position except center might also be a factor. They're good despite having journeymen centers, not because they have journeymen centers.The drop off in talent at Center is highly overstated. We have too many bigs and could use an upgrade at the wing.
Well, it is unless you happen to watch Vuc and Biz both play, at which point it becomes quite obvious. I'm not saying we shouldn't trade Vuc for a scoring (preferably two-way) wing, but I don't agree with your statements that you can't win with an inside-out approach, and I do believe there is a significant talent difference between Vuc and Biz, at least right now.
For the record, the measure of rim protection actually is shot blocking plus opponent field goal % within 5 feet of the rim.
The warriors and Cavs were built a certain way for a certain reason. You are correct, you really were "just guessing" there. No on ever said they were good because they had journeyman Centers. In your rush to execute a snarky response post, you missed the point completely.
I have watched almost every game the Magic have played this season and while Biz has terrible hands, his defense is better, which is why he starts. In fact, if you actually did watch games you will see the Magic execute defensive switches with Biz on the floor that they simply do not do when Vuc is out there.
Mc-o wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:
For the record, blocking shots does not equal protecting the rim or playing great defense. Some excellent defensive bigs also block a shot or two, but that isn't the only trick of a defensive center.
Just guessing here, but I think the fact that both teams have multiple stars at every position except center might also be a factor. They're good despite having journeymen centers, not because they have journeymen centers.
Well, it is unless you happen to watch Vuc and Biz both play, at which point it becomes quite obvious. I'm not saying we shouldn't trade Vuc for a scoring (preferably two-way) wing, but I don't agree with your statements that you can't win with an inside-out approach, and I do believe there is a significant talent difference between Vuc and Biz, at least right now.
For the record, the measure of rim protection actually is shot blocking plus opponent field goal % within 5 feet of the rim.
The warriors and Cavs were built a certain way for a certain reason. You are correct, you really were "just guessing" there. No on ever said they were good because they had journeyman Centers. In your rush to execute a snarky response post, you missed the point completely.
I have watched almost every game the Magic have played this season and while Biz has terrible hands, his defense is better, which is why he starts. In fact, if you actually did watch games you will see the Magic execute defensive switches with Biz on the floor that they simply do not do when Vuc is out there.
well vuc still plays more than him so he isnt that much better. Can we just agree we have two good centers and no reason to trade one unless it is for an allstar.
OrlandoDream wrote:Why can't the AG/EP duo play with this energy all the time?!? Drives me insane
PennytoShaq wrote:Oh look we "can't play Payton and Biz together", yet they are both starting tonight.
Wild.
pepe1991 wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:Why can't the AG/EP duo play with this energy all the time?!? Drives me insane
AG got hot in first half, due the Vogel idiotic rotations and overplaying of Jeff Green he cooled off in second.
I don't think that Fournier should have played 30 min ,he looked slow on defense.
But should we talk about Abysmal Biyombo? 21 min , 2 points 2 rebounds +/ of- 18, 2 turnovers, 0 assists, 0 blocks.
I have hard time imagining him on this team for next 4 years. He is simply trash. Dude has no size or lenght for a position , being just 6'9 . He has stone hands, can't catch ball to save his life, his rebounding ratio makes him below average rebounder for C , in literally every single hollinger's stat category by ESPN he is ranked bottom 11.
Waste of salary.
