Andrew McCeltic wrote:165bows wrote:skywalker33 wrote:
Olynyk's stat line foe 2016
in 28 games he's scoring 7.7ppg 3.8rpg 1.8apg 44%FG 34%3pt with a PER of 12.7
Nurkic stat line for 2016
in 30 games he scoring 9.1ppg 6.7rpg 1.4apg 52.9%FG 0-0 on 3pters with a PER of 16.4
If KO is an "above-average offensive big man", Nurkic is a star in the making. Also to note, KO is already 3 years older, probably is what he's gonna be, Nurkic has more time to develop to get to KO status (let's hope not).
As I said, perspective. As for Millsap, he';s already said he's going to enter free agency so why lose assets for him when we can (if we want a 32yr old fringe AS) just bid on him in 4 months, we'll have the cap space to do so, if he desires to come to DEN, we'll have more assets to look palatable and then more assets to trade to make the team better rather than having to pay. I guess the same could be said of KO as I'd make a decent assumption you aren't going to try and resign him, thus part of the idea of trading him.
My perspective is counting stats without context are fairly meaningless. Basically that perspective on judging players with those stats is 20 years old and outdated.
Nukric was one of the very worst offensive players per possession in the league last year, Kelly is a solid average volume/efficiency combo that scores from various parts of the floor and creates for others.
This is where I'm stuck - we know we have these new stats, but Olynyk is a volume/efficiency combo who can't rebound or score on his own. Nurkic is bad by advanced offensive stats, potentially elite by advanced defensive stats, and a very good rebounder. How do we square all those things?
There's still some murkiness in analytics/traditional stats/the eye test, and I haven't committed fully to the new analytics metrics. The stats tell us Olynyk is a fantastic cog, in Boston's system, and that he's likely to be a good cog in other systems in a similar role. And they tell us that Nurkic was great in Denver's defensive system and awful offensively. We don't know for sure, AFAIK, how advanced stats change with player development or team context. Draymond going to Detroit would've been an interesting test case for measuring defensive impact.
I primarily mean per possession (or per minute works as well) statistics. To compare two part time guys on their counting stats just doesn't mean much of anything, nor does FG%.
Personally the more fancy stats don't matter that much IMO but knowing how to look at some basic rate stats makes absolutely a world of difference.
