2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Unbreakable99]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm starting to think Jackson is the no-brainer selection with our own pick. If we miss out on Fultz, there's not a huge drop-off (in terms of fit) to DSJ, Ball, or Monk. However, I think if we miss out on Jackson, there's a bigger drop-off to Tatum (black hole) and Isaac (HUGE project). In a perfect world we end up with Jackson and one of Ball/Monk, and throw a max at Otto Porter or KCP. Dare I say trade Okafor for Smart as well (I'm a greedy SOB)...

Monk/Smart/McConnell
Jackson(or KCP)/Stuaskas/Bayless
Porter(or Jackson)/Covington/TLC
Simmons/Saric/?
Embiid/Noel/Holmes

[Negrodamus]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk because of speed and ability to score off the ball with incredible ease.

[Unbreakable99]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk because of speed and ability to score off the ball with incredible ease.

I agree.

[Slizeezyc]

Josh Jackson is a really good basketball player.

Yeah, that's all I got.

[Marcus]

Josh Jackson is a really good basketball player.

Yeah, that's all I got.

That's all you need.

[PhilasFinest]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk.

Monk has really good speed....pair that with his ability to shoot and score off the ball and he's got the tools to be a pretty dynamic scorer in the NBA.

If he can become even an adequate defender of PG's, he should be a pretty damn good player.

[Slizeezyc]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk.

Monk has really good speed....pair that with his ability to shoot and score off the ball and he's got the tools to be a pretty dynamic scorer in the NBA.

If he can become even an adequate defender of PG's, he should be a pretty damn good player.

Yeah it's Monk by at least a little bit.

I think Murray was thought of a bit better as a playmaker, but the athleticism is higher for Monk, and both were known shooters. Both are bad on defense, and neither has quite a perfect NBA body or build, so seems like neither would have that element on the other.

You can project a bit more with Monk on defense than Murray because he does have that athleticism and quickness, but I don't think anyone is thinking he will be a lockdown defender of point guards etc.

[Mik317]

I like the idea of Jackson..just not sure about his fit with Simmons.

Jackson checks most of the boxes in terms of wings I'd love to have tho (sans shooting which actually makes even more of a true Sixer).

[smittybanton]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

For me, it's still Murray. Monk is an awesome shooter and terrific athlete. But there is an art to handling a basketball, and Jamal Murray has it. Not sure yet about Monk.

Not to get all in my feelings about JMurray, but I think this year's Kentucky team is deeper and more conducive to Monk's terrific shooting. DeAaron Fox > Tyler Ulis. 2017Briscoe > 2016Briscoe. Adebayo and Gabriel in the post > Poythress and Willis.

In other words, Monk does less to get an open shot than Murray had to.

Monk took some ill-advised shots last night, but it didn't matter because they were up by so much, yet I would've preferred he use that blowout time to get his dribble game going.

They're very comparable, nonetheless.

[smittybanton]

Markelle Fultz v. Dillon Brooks tonight! [9pm@ESPN2]

Brooks was matched up against Ball last week. Really tested Ball's defense down the stretch. Ball moved his feet very well, and blocked the bigger man's shot in clear into the stands one one play. But also showed that Ball does not like contact--wouldn't box out, wouldn't body up.

On the other end, Ball took Brooks one on one all the way to the cup on a clear-out with less than a minute to go. Lots of people were questioning whether Ball can get to the rack off the dribble. He didnt blow by Brooks. But took him to task for the bucket, anyway.

Hopefully Fultz and Brooks will be matched up most of the game.

[Duke4life831]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk and its not even close. Murray has the better measurements and is the better shooter. Monk is a great athlete, moves much better off the ball and isn't on the same level as a shooter as Murray hes a better scorer and shot maker. Im taking Monk over Murray 10 out of 10 times.

[Duke4life831]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

For me, it's still Murray. Monk is an awesome shooter and terrific athlete. But there is an art to handling a basketball, and Jamal Murray has it. Not sure yet about Monk.

Not to get all in my feelings about JMurray, but I think this year's Kentucky team is deeper and more conducive to Monk's terrific shooting. DeAaron Fox > Tyler Ulis. 2017Briscoe > 2016Briscoe. Adebayo and Gabriel in the post > Poythress and Willis.

In other words, Monk does less to get an open shot than Murray had to.

Monk took some ill-advised shots last night, but it didn't matter because they were up by so much, yet I would've preferred he use that blowout time to get his dribble game going.

They're very comparable, nonetheless.

Fox > Ulis? As a NBA prospect ya, as a college player no. Ulis last year was consensus 1st team all SEC, and all american. He was SEC player and defensive player of the year, only the second player ever to do this (Anthony Davis was the other one). He was a far superior half court offensive player than Fox as well. Most people say the complete opposite than what you are saying, they say they wish Monk played with another shooter or a big that could score because in the half court he has to do everything to just get off an okay shot.

[eagereyez]

Going to the UW game tonight. Moral victory if we lose by less than 20.

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[ILikeLollies]

Just saw the stats for Furkan Korkmaz last game. I think its only his 3rd for his new team but he had 20 points and hit 4 of 5 threes (3/5 2p)

Interesting to see how his season plays out as if he starts killing it, it means you might not have to take the risk of using a high pick on a shooter like Monk just for floor spacing.

[Negrodamus]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk and its not even close. Murray has the better measurements and is the better shooter. Monk is a great athlete, moves much better off the ball and isn't on the same level as a shooter as Murray hes a better scorer and shot maker. Im taking Monk over Murray 10 out of 10 times.

I don't think the margin is that wide. I do think Monk has quite a bit of room for growth with his athleticism.

On a completely different and weird comparison, I think it would be like comparing Nowitzki to, like, Cousins. Nowitzki has the ball in his hands maybe a minute out of the game, but is so efficient scoring. Cousins needs the ball in his hands because he was so effective with it. Monk scores with ridiculous ease off the ball. Jamal tries to make things happen with it.

Ones not better or worse than the other, but Monk works better for this team for sure. I also don't think Murray's speed with translate to top ten scorer in the league. Monk actually could in Philly, imo.

[smittybanton]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

For me, it's still Murray. Monk is an awesome shooter and terrific athlete. But there is an art to handling a basketball, and Jamal Murray has it. Not sure yet about Monk.

Not to get all in my feelings about JMurray, but I think this year's Kentucky team is deeper and more conducive to Monk's terrific shooting. DeAaron Fox > Tyler Ulis. 2017Briscoe > 2016Briscoe. Adebayo and Gabriel in the post > Poythress and Willis.

In other words, Monk does less to get an open shot than Murray had to.

Monk took some ill-advised shots last night, but it didn't matter because they were up by so much, yet I would've preferred he use that blowout time to get his dribble game going.

They're very comparable, nonetheless.

Fox > Ulis? As a NBA prospect ya, as a college player no. Ulis last year was consensus 1st team all SEC, and all american. He was SEC player and defensive player of the year, only the second player ever to do this (Anthony Davis was the other one). He was a far superior half court offensive player than Fox as well. Most people say the complete opposite than what you are saying, they say they wish Monk played with another shooter or a big that could score because in the half court he has to do everything to just get off an okay shot.

Different styles. But, yes, Fox is better. Noone can keep in front of him, collapsing the defense much faster and more easily than Tyler Ulis. Ulis was a very heady player and is also a good pro. Fox's speed and athleticism are even more problematic for defenses. Doesn't really matter to me what others say. Monk has to do everything to just get off an okay shot? I would say Monk gets lots of easy shots in transition and on kickouts, and his flaw is that he can't get good shots on his own and tends to jack up bad ones (even though he makes them like Isaiah Canaan).

[Ericb5]

Who was the better prospect? Monk or Jamal Murray?

Monk by a mile in my mind.


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[Ericb5]

Giles is getting better by the game now.


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[Negrodamus]

He'll probably need another year, but Mustapha Heron is incredibly intriguing.

16 ppg, 75% FT, 41% 3FG, 45% FG. 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan.

Shoots 6.6 FT per game. Gets to the line quite a bit, and has the athleticism to throw down. Name worth keeping an eye on.