Trade Kanter

[Pillendreher]

I'm done. We're force feeding his sorry as in the post every **** time down the floor and it has killed us. It has worked for a 5 game span in over 100 games.

Every **** time, all his teammates turn into decoys, just standing around, watching every possession turn into the Enes **** Kanter show.

And now suddenly Billy thinks he can play with Adams and they can take turns posting up and clogging the offense.

Once again, the only way to stop this madness is by trading the player.

[ThunderBolt]

What you're describing doesn't sound like Kanters fault.

[itzmrgigglez]

What you're describing doesn't sound like Kanters fault.

He's saying that because We keep feeding it to kanter because he is one of the only good shooters/offensively consistent players we have.

Robes, grant can't shoot

Donovan stopped playing morrow and abrinws is rough around the edges

Westbrook is Goatbrook but we all know how he is prone to bad decisions

[wackbone]

How about Valanciunas and Ross for Kanter? Something along those lines (picks variable) would benefit both teams. The Thunder need a wing, and Valanciunas isn't much worse than Kanter, and far less selfish/demanding.

[wackbone]

Perhaps Amir Johnson, Jae Crowder, and a pick for Kanter.

[spearsy23]

Sure, trade him. But good luck finding someone willing to part with a significant piece for him. We could also chill out for a bit and see what the offense looks like with a real pg running the second unit. Besides, it's not enes's fault that the starters were a combined 27/68 and -40 overall. The bench was fairly solid on the offensive end.

There's no team looking to move an impact player for a defensive sieve at center, and right now he's the only thing holding the bench offense together despite your objections. This is just a weird game to post this after.

[Osirus89]

Perhaps Amir Johnson, Jae Crowder, and a pick for Kanter.

Hell yes!!! Danny ainge would get fired, but I would be happy.

How about Valanciunas and Ross for Kanter? Something along those lines (picks variable) would benefit both teams. The Thunder need a wing, and Valanciunas isn't much worse than Kanter, and far less selfish/demanding.

If you disregard concern for player happiness, Thunder would do this trade also. Don't know if Valanciunas would want to come off the bench though. Terrance Ross is an athletic gunner that would be perfect off the bench. Toronto should probably go after Millsap though if they are willing to trade for a big with that package. However, I would do this deal in a heartbeat as well.

I'm done. We're force feeding his sorry as in the post every **** time down the floor and it has killed us. It has worked for a 5 game span in over 100 games.

Every **** time, all his teammates turn into decoys, just standing around, watching every possession turn into the Enes **** Kanter show.

And now suddenly Billy thinks he can play with Adams and they can take turns posting up and clogging the offense.

Once again, the only way to stop this madness is by trading the player.

For better or worse, he is the fourth reliable guy and the only reliable bench player currently. I agree whole heartedly with the sentiment that blindly feeding him in the post isn't working, but part of that is he plays with nonshooters a lot. Semaj is just bad.... Cameron could help, but he is very behind in conditioning and won't be back to speed for a bit. Sadly this is the worst time for him to be trying to get his legs back because the schedule won't slow down for him.

The Thunder need a scorer that can play when the game is winding down. Charlotte put MKG on Russ all game. They hid Kemba on Andre a good bit. Lots of teams do this of course. Donovan likes a closing lineup of Russ/Victor/Andre/grant/Adams to close games. Swap a wing that can score with either Andre or Jerami and you are cooking with gas. Teams need to have to make hard choices against us. If they just put their two best perimeter defenders on Victor and Russell, someone else needs to make them pay. Can't hide Curry, Harden etc on a Rudy Gay type of player. Can't play three guards with Payne and kanter is a sieve, so neither one of them can close. One of them is expendable, but I don't know if they can both be traded unless the deal is perfect.

[Pillendreher]

We could also chill out for a bit and see what the offense looks like with a real pg running the second unit.

We've been over this already. Kanter is not close to being able to carry an offense without Russ setting him up. He just isn't. Going back to the start of last season, Kanter has played 1530 minutes without Russ on the floor. Our ORtG over that span is 107.1 - that's average at best.

You know what Kanter is exceptionally good at? Finishing in tight spaces and getting 2nd chance points. You know what kills our offense? Him getting a post up every **** time. It was obvious once again last night: His teammates just become decoys for him. There's no flow to the offense. We pull the same **** every time. We did the same thing as well with Durant running the bench after the ASB last season btw. EVERYBODY knew what would happen: We'd cross half court and struggle to get him the ball. No play, no movement, nothing. The thing Donovan doesn't seem to understand is that having a guy being the offensive focus doesn't mean that you just give him the ball and be done with it.

We did the same thing with Payne running the show pre ASB. I remember it like yesterday: Me yelling at the TV because we took the ball out of Cam's hands and gave it to Kanter very damn time down the court. It's not supposed to work like that. We are destroying our ability to be decent offensively off the bench

Besides, it's not enes's fault that the starters were a combined 27/68 and -40 overall.

This is a thing that has been going on for months. The only time it worked was during that 5 game stretch over Christmas. Besides that, it has failed again and again. Just like last night: We stopped doing it for a couple of minutes and suddenly went on a little run. Coincidence?

The bench was fairly solid on the offensive end.

105.8 ORtG with Kanter on and Russ off the floor. That's below average. 117.9 DRtG in that combination. This bs will never work.

There's no team looking to move an impact player for a defensive sieve at center, and right now he's the only thing holding the bench offense together despite your objections. This is just a weird game to post this after.

Except this whole concept isn't working. The only reasoning behind this is the bench dominating the offense. It isn't. It never has. We've been through ~15-20 different bench players since October '15. Nothing worked. Not even playing a former MVP with the bench.

We just have to move on from this idiotic idea. Once Payne's back, we have to run a PnR every time down the floor. There should be enough spacing.

[Pillendreher]

What you're describing doesn't sound like Kanters fault.

The problem is: Billy doesn't seem to realize that this same old bs isn't working. You have to take his toy away from him if he keeps not realizing that.

[oken]

Everytime OKC finds a way to hide their roster weakness, teams adjust in 1-2 weeks to it. It happened after the fast start without any proper shooters and it's happening now with the overly used post-up plays. Donovan just needs to change tactics again until teams make tapes of it and the new trick is countered.

[Pillendreher]

Everytime OKC finds a way to hide their roster weakness, teams adjust in 1-2 weeks to it. It happened after the fast start without any proper shooters and it's happening now with the overly used post-up plays. Donovan just needs to change tactics again until teams make tapes of it and the new trick is countered.

This is actually very true. It makes me wonder what Donovan is thinking. Is he not seeing this? Or is he thinking that this is a phase? He did in now in two consecutive games: Kanter was way too long on the floor in the first half. And that big-to-big passing in the post is just dumb. You don't try to actively pursue such a thing.

[spearsy23]

We could also chill out for a bit and see what the offense looks like with a real pg running the second unit.

We've been over this already. Kanter is not close to being able to carry an offense without Russ setting him up. He just isn't. Going back to the start of last season, Kanter has played 1530 minutes without Russ on the floor. Our ORtG over that span is 107.1 - that's average at best.

That's pretty solid for a bench unit. Are you expecting a bench unit of semaj, abrines, grant, lavergne, and Kanter to actually be good? Blaming Kanter for being surrounded by crap and being misused is misguided. What do you think will happen if he's moved? Do you think Billy is suddenly going to design a supreme offensive system that makes that group an elite bench?

I do agree we should run a ton of p&r when cam is back, but semaj sucks at it so I don't know the point in criticizing right now.

[OkcMagic]

When will you guys realize that Billy D experiments in the regular season to see what works and what doesn't. How many times did we see the twin towers last year? Now what was the main reason we beat the spurs?

How many times did we go small in our lineup of death? Now what was the main reason we almost beat the Warriors?

My point is that just wait till the playoffs and you'll see why Billy D is am amazing coach


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[RunOKC]

Without Kanter our bench would get outscored every time. With him we at least keep it even or sometimes even come out ahead..

[Pillendreher]

We could also chill out for a bit and see what the offense looks like with a real pg running the second unit.

We've been over this already. Kanter is not close to being able to carry an offense without Russ setting him up. He just isn't. Going back to the start of last season, Kanter has played 1530 minutes without Russ on the floor. Our ORtG over that span is 107.1 - that's average at best.

That's pretty solid for a bench unit. Are you expecting a bench unit of semaj, abrines, grant, lavergne, and Kanter to actually be good? Blaming Kanter for being surrounded by crap and being misused is misguided. What do you think will happen if he's moved? Do you think Billy is suddenly going to design a supreme offensive system that makes that group an elite bench?

I do agree we should run a ton of p&r when cam is back, but semaj sucks at it so I don't know the point in criticizing right now.

I've dug deeper:





This whole 'Kanter can carry a bench' thing is a myth. He can't. And we're getting pounded defensively like nobody's business. This experiment is over and we should move on as quickly as possible.

[bondom34]

So Kanter needs a PG.

[Pillendreher]

So Kanter needs a PG.

He had Cam Payne last season and the team's ORtG with both of them on the floor and Russ and Durant on the bench was 100.0 while giving up 113.3 pp100p to the opposing team.

[bondom34]

So Kanter needs a PG.

He had Cam Payne last season and the team's ORtG with both of them on the floor and Russ and Durant on the bench was 100.0 while giving up 113.3 pp100p to the opposing team.

Adams has a negative rating with Russ on the bench too. I get the idea, the reasoning doesn't work.

[Pillendreher]

So Kanter needs a PG.

He had Cam Payne last season and the team's ORtG with both of them on the floor and Russ and Durant on the bench was 100.0 while giving up 113.3 pp100p to the opposing team.

Adams has a negative rating with Russ on the bench too. I get the idea, the reasoning doesn't work.

Adams isn't supposed to be the offensive Messiah. Kanter's job is to carry the bench. He can't. There's no way around it.

[spearsy23]

He had Cam Payne last season and the team's ORtG with both of them on the floor and Russ and Durant on the bench was 100.0 while giving up 113.3 pp100p to the opposing team.

Adams has a negative rating with Russ on the bench too. I get the idea, the reasoning doesn't work.

Adams isn't supposed to be the offensive Messiah. Kanter's job is to carry the bench. He can't. There's no way around it.

He has carried the bench offensively. He's made a group of scrubs average. If you're arguing that he sucks at defense so we're better off without him... We've known that for two years. but you still have to get value back, dumping him for cap space just means Joffrey fills his role. That means equivalent defense and worse offense.


Also, as much as I love Cam, he wasn't ready to have the offense ran through him last year. He was great at getting guys the ball in good positions, but he want creating independently yet. The hope is that he'll be able to do that when he comes back.