Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Chitownbulls]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

[SpinninHouse]

Remember that time, before the season even started, when Bucher said his sources (Bulls sources) told him that Rose was not playing that season no matter what? Remember when we all (including me) laughed at him and said his sources sucked?

Yeah, I remember that and I also remember when Rose was cleared to play and sat anyway. Good times. Bucher was right on that one and it turned he was right about a lot things Bulls that we the fans just didn't want to hear at the time. Now we all assumed his "source" was Camp Rose and Reggie.... but, who knows?

Bucher was plugged with Rose's camp, for sure. But I can't think of too many other things he's been right on.

[Pnjguy]

have been very underwhelmed by the supposed offers for butler last year. Maybe this year will be different.

[Stratmaster]

Doesnt Boston have 2 high Draft Picks?...2 picks in top 5, Bulls tank, 3rd pick in top 10...Kings pick...Bulls could have 4 of the top 15picks in a loaded draft. Quick facelift with young athletic players.

Lonzo Ball
Markelle Faultz
Josh Jackson
Jason Tatum
DAaron Fox
Malik Monk
Harry Giles

Ohhh ya.....Ill take 3 or 4 or these guys

First, I don't believe the rumor. 2nd, I think it would be foolish.

However, there is a big narrative going on with the board right now of "shedding players who don't fit with Butler" and surrounding him with shooters.

I don't think Jimmy is a generational talent where you design your entire team for the future around him. Also, Jimmy has to buy into it even if you are willing to do that. I saw multiple possessions in just the last game where McD was open, calling for the ball, Jimmy looked at him and ignored him. On the last of those you can see McD in the corner throwing his arms down in disgust.

You can lead a horse to shooters, but you can't make him pass to them. To qualify that, Jimmy made some great passes in the game, including I believe to Doug and he by no means was "ball-hogging". However, he does not seem enamored with the "pass it back out to a 3 point shooter at the 3-point line" approach.

<preparing for the backlash I will receive from those calling this "Butler bashing", and I will silently accept it even though that is not at all the intent>

[Bulls03]

Bradley Crowder 2 nets picks and a first round pick for Butler and Wade lol

[Payt10]

I have no idea what anyone would offer that would justify moving Butler.

Boston doesn't have one player I would want in trade. I would want something like 3 1st round picks from them. Boston fans would bitch but if they checked, the odds of getting one player as good as Butler with 3 picks is actually not great.

Philly could get it done. One young guy plus some premium picks.

The stuff I saw rumored last year as offers for Butler were complete crap.

I would do Embiid + PHI's pick for Butler. That's basically about it.

[Bomba Navarro]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

Fun fact: not a single draft class has EVER yielded 6 all star players in the top 10.

[YogurtProducer]

Would love Toronto to grab this guy somehow if you guys do deal him. Probably not possible

[SpinninHouse]

We have one question to ask ourselves: Can we build a championship caliber team around/with Jimmy Butler while he's in his prime? If the answer is yes -- then do it. If the answer is no -- trade him for the best available package. Or else we face indefinitely being on the treadmill, which we're doing now.

As Paxson said recently, it's difficult to land impact players drafting in the middle and end of the 1st round. While Paxson built a try-hard, scrappy competitive team with the Deng/Gordon/Hinrich core, that team wasn't winning a title. And even then BG, Kirk and Deng were all high lottery picks.

We didn't make it to championship caliber until we lucked into Rose with the 1st overall pick. In the years since we drafted Rose, we have struck out on signing FA players numerous times (Lebron/Wade/Bosh in 2010, Carmelo in 2014, etc). It sure seems like the only way we'll be able to acquire franchise players in by drafting one.

[Gray Poster]

How many all stars in 1984? 2003? not 5 or 6

2003 had LeBron, Wade, Bosh
1984 had Jordan, Barkley and Hakeem

[chrispatrick]

Hey folks, remember when Tyson Chandler was supposed to be the second coming of Kevin Garnett¿

The good ole days.

I remember some draft websites hyping Chandler's face-up game and 3 point shooting potential. He sounded amazing.

[RedBulls23]

I have no idea what anyone would offer that would justify moving Butler.

Boston doesn't have one player I would want in trade. I would want something like 3 1st round picks from them. Boston fans would bitch but if they checked, the odds of getting one player as good as Butler with 3 picks is actually not great.

Philly could get it done. One young guy plus some premium picks.

The stuff I saw rumored last year as offers for Butler were complete crap.

I would be so miserable right now with Jimmy tearing it up with IT in Boston as they battle the Cavs for the Eastern conference, while having the big return to the Bulls being Kris Dunn. Ugh!

[HoopsterJones]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

Fun fact: not a single draft class has EVER yielded 6 all star players in the top 10.

One class had 6 in the top 11 and 7 in the top 16.

1. Olajuwon
3. Jordan
5. Barkley
7. Robertson
9. Thorpe
11. Willis
16. Stockton

[ryannik09]

For right price he should be. He is not superstar. I would prefer to keep him until some point. And I certainly dont want current front office anywhere near of doing this kind of deal. It makes me sick they still have power of decision making after 5 years of garbage moves.

25/7/5
26 PER (11th in the league)
312 VA (5th)
10.4 EWA (4th)
6.3 RPM (6th)
7.4 WINS (4th)
7 WIN Shares (3rd)
.254 WS/48 (6th)
59% TS

Yea, you're right, he's not a superstar.

[R3AL1TY]

The Bulls are probably listening to offers, but once again they won't pull the trigger if the deals aren't good.

[kurtatx]

I love Jimmy, but if you're going to move him, this is the time to do it. The offers should be sky high.

I worry this level of hurt will be critical to future success.

[6_Rings]

testing the market

[greenl]

First, I don't believe the rumor. 2nd, I think it would be foolish.>

Agree on both counts

I don't think Jimmy is a generational talent where you design your entire team for the future around him.>

My wife is not a playboy model- yet I still buy her clothes that flatter her. Or- a line from a song you will recall from your youth- love the one you're with. He's not Jordan/Bird/Lebron/Magic- but he's the best this franchise has right now- and the odds suggest- the best they might have for a long while. Seems common sense to try and design an offense that accentuates your best players strength.

Also, Jimmy has to buy into it even if you are willing to do that. I saw multiple possessions in just the last game where McD was open, calling for the ball, Jimmy looked at him and ignored him. On the last of those you can see McD in the corner throwing his arms down in disgust..>

Is McDermott the second coming of Ray Allen? A legendary shooter who can't be looked off when the primary playmaker thinks he's not the best option? I'd also challenge the extrapolation of your subjective observations from last game that they are definitively representative of a larger sample size. The Bulls 'shooters' if you can call them that- have been abysmal this season. They need to earn the right not to be looked off.

You can lead a horse to shooters, but you can't make him pass to them. To qualify that, Jimmy made some great passes in the game, including I believe to Doug and he by no means was "ball-hogging". However, he does not seem enamored with the "pass it back out to a 3 point shooter at the 3-point line" approach.

I could be wrong- but Butler appears to want to win- and with some more competent shooters on the floor- I don't share your fear that he would ignore them.

<preparing for the backlash I will receive from those calling this "Butler bashing", and I will silently accept it even though that is not at all the intent>

I am holding a 2 for 1 sale on pitchforks and effigy dummies

[HoopsterJones]

I would only trade him to Philly for Embiid, their unprotected first round pick and the Lakers pick. And Luwawu because I feel like it.

[Bulls_MIT]

I would not trade Butler! You can only dream of lottery pick players turning into the next Jimmy Butler 5 years from now. We have a legitimate star. The improvement he's made this year is something to hold on to. I'm excited for the immediate future for JB. He'll be an all-star this year, maybe even next year he could be a starter on the all star team. He's building chemistry with McDermott and MCW and he already plays well with Taj. I say, let this year play out. Then maybe make a trade for someone else on the team, or get a good free agent this offseason, and we'll be competitive. I don't see the doom and gloom right now, but if we trade JB, we'll be back to ground zero, fighting with the 76ers to improve for the painful slow and long term future.