Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Rerisen]

You don't trade Jimmy short of getting back a potential franchise player (Embiid type) or a top 2 pick maybe. And that pick had better be a can't miss prospect that starts showing flashes of greatness immediately.

I wouldn't be sticking around watching nightly drubbings for 5 years like the 76ers. They can call me when the rebuilding has advanced back to the playoffs, or when GarPax are shown the door.

[Chitownbulls]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

Fun fact: not a single draft class has EVER yielded 6 all star players in the top 10.

That may be true but whats also true is these kids nowadays are playing a lot more ball than what kids use too. I can definitely see 4 of these guys listed below becoming all stars at some point in their career.

Markelle Faultz
DeAaron Fox
Josh Jackson
Harry Giles
Lonzo Ball
Dennis Smith
Malik Monk

There's a chance you land 3 of them....all with good upside and ONLY FRESHMAN 19-20years old

[bullslas]

Sounds like a pointless rumor. I mean, everybody right now is "available for the right price" besides for Lebron and probably Durant.

But name me one other player who is untouchable? It's not that kind of a league right now.

That said, Pax is the type of guy that gets excited about acquiring Sweetney, Piatkowski, Othella Harrington... When he gets a Tim Thomas or JR Smith, he immediately buys them out...

A scrappy 1st round (and done) team is enough to make him feel he had a good year at the office.

I'd not be surprised one bit if Jimmy went out and we got a pedestrian package in return, with picks as the appeasement... But still a dodo brain Front Office.

Guys like Giannis and AD are more untouchable than a lebron or durant really (based on age). Giannis is the most untouchable player in the NBA IMO.

Yianni will be a Bull or Knick someday. The kid is too nice at the moment to demand a trade, but the kid is out of Milwaukee in a few years.

[MC3]

For right price he should be. He is not superstar. I would prefer to keep him until some point. And I certainly dont want current front office anywhere near of doing this kind of deal. It makes me sick they still have power of decision making after 5 years of garbage moves.

25/7/5
26 PER (11th in the league)
312 VA (5th)
10.4 EWA (4th)
6.3 RPM (6th)
7.4 WINS (4th)
59% TS

Yea, you're right, he's not a superstar.

It's not point of stats. It's point of eye test. When I look him I dont see guy who is ready to beat or take down Lebron, I dont see a guy who is ready to beat or take down Curry. I knew guy once who could handle with 3 HoF'ers in their prime and give them nightmares. It was like when Luffy was at Marineford saving Ace and between of them were standing 3 Admirals. You just knew it would only come moment year or two away when he would defeat them. Same wa likely for older Bulls fans when they watched Jordan being stopped by Pistons. I just dont see it with Butler.

Celtic's Thomas have better stats this season than prime Iverson. That doesnt mean Thomas is superstar. Cause I knew Iverson was one and he could take team alone into Finals.

Butler is certainly close to be one and on some nights he does look like one, but I want him to play at superstar lvl against superstars. Then I will buy it he is the one. This isnt shade on Butler. I love Butler and I want him to be that guy. But guys need to prove it.

[Bulls_Fan]

Butler should have been moved this past offseason. We shoudl have worked out a deal where we got Dunn, 2017 Swap pick, and whatever they wanted to give you. Bulls stink it up and go into 2017 draft w/ 2 top 5 picks. Figure they stink it up one more year and get another top 5 pick in 2018 (another loaded draft). So in the span of 3 drafts, you have 4 lottery picks and can move forward. You saw when teh BUlls drafted Gordon and Deng how quickly things turned around.

Not to worry. Paxson doesn't have the balls to pull off a trade for Butler.

[pduh01]

Ric Bucher reports it nuff said

Oh and it's the same guy who think Kobe is gone from the Lakers years ago the only thing he got right is regarding Derrick Rose which I can't remember what was it.

Oh and MC3 Jimmy stats and his performance this season prove u wrong that he is a superstar but hey keep doubting it when evidence shows he proves enough this season he is a superstar.

If it was last season u might be right but this seaso. It is a remarkable season for him he growing and proving to be a superstars the league. Stats shows it and eye tests shows it

[bullslas]

Rebuilding in the NBA takes a very very long time. Look at all the teams who have tanked, they are still tanking. The only success story was with the Spurs the one year they tanked, but they already had good players around. If you lose Butler, you have absolutely no talent around. Really, we need a better surrounding cast and we need to somehow get another superstar on this team. The problem is how in the world do you do that.

[Bulls_Fan]

Rebuilding in the NBA takes a very very long time. Look at all the teams who have tanked, they are still tanking. The only success story was with the Spurs the one year they tanked, but they already had good players around. If you lose Butler, you have absolutely no talent around. Really, we need a better surrounding cast and we need to somehow get another superstar on this team. The problem is how in the world do you do that.

That's the main issue on why you have to move Butler. Bulls can't fix what they are missing in FA. They will be picking in the 13-17 of the draft and will continue to get tier 2/3 draft guys who will take time to develop.

We sell high on Butler and we can get a great return. However, Paxson, has never sold high on an asset in his life.

[League Circles]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

Fun fact: not a single draft class has EVER yielded 6 all star players in the top 10.

One class had 6 in the top 11 and 7 in the top 16.

1. Olajuwon
3. Jordan
5. Barkley
7. Robertson
9. Thorpe
11. Willis
16. Stockton

This is a great, great illustration of why tanking is so hard to do right. You're looking at an all time great draft. All time. Let's ignore for the moment that maybe, just maybe, this upcoming draft is being hyped up to increase ad revenue from desperate fans reading about it. Let's assume a lucky team gets 3, effing 3 of those all star players. Let's say Barkley, Willis and Stockton. Does that team ever win a title? Probably not. That's why I've been writing that the 6th or 7th best anything isn't that special. In an all time great draft, the 7th best player was who, Otis Thorpe? I mean, the only ways to really win a title in the NBA are having a top 2 player, OR having a truly excellent fitting, well rounded, deep team with few weaknesses. We should clearly be going for the latter, as should most teams. Several teams have done this in recent years in Dallas, Detroit, and some Spurs teams. IMO, drafting high doesn't help a ton towards fielding those kinds of teams. I think of those three teams the only key player drafted high by that team was Tim Duncan, and he was more just one of the guys in their last title.

[RedBulls23]

Rebuilding in the NBA takes a very very long time. Look at all the teams who have tanked, they are still tanking. The only success story was with the Spurs the one year they tanked, but they already had good players around. If you lose Butler, you have absolutely no talent around. Really, we need a better surrounding cast and we need to somehow get another superstar on this team. The problem is how in the world do you do that.

The Spurs never tanked. They had a bunch of injuries to their best players.

[bulliedog8]

Butler should have been moved this past offseason. We shoudl have worked out a deal where we got Dunn, 2017 Swap pick, and whatever they wanted to give you. Bulls stink it up and go into 2017 draft w/ 2 top 5 picks. Figure they stink it up one more year and get another top 5 pick in 2018 (another loaded draft). So in the span of 3 drafts, you have 4 lottery picks and can move forward. You saw when teh BUlls drafted Gordon and Deng how quickly things turned around.

Not to worry. Paxson doesn't have the balls to pull off a trade for Butler.

Wolves with Butler would have been an 8th seed this year at worse. So the pick you get from the wolves for 2017 wouldnt be top 5. That is also why with any trade talks with Minn, Bulls wanted either Wiggins or Towns in any proposed deal.

Thankfully they didnt even offer wiggins. I wouldnt want wiggins for butler ever. Dont even care about age. Towns Id take but obviously the wolves would laugh the bulls off the phone.

[Red Larrivee]

The top 10 in this years draft could have 5-6 all star players in it. If you want picks, get them this year imo. Get a young team and let them grow together.

And my girlfriend will morph into Mila Kunis in the morning.

[Chitownbulls]

Nbadraft.net NBA Comparisons to top prospects...

Markelle Faultz- James Harden
Lonzo Ball- Jason Kidd
Dennis Smith- Cp3/DRose
Frank Nitkilina- Dante Exum
Josh Jackson- Kawhi Leonard
Jason Tatum- Allen Houston
DeAaron Fox- Dennis Schroeder
Malik Monk- Eddie Jones
Jonathan Issaac- Rashard Lewis
Harry Giles- Derrick Favors

If we trade Butler, Bulls will tank which could give us 3 lottery picks. Tanking could also help keep the Kings out of the top 10. Might be able to get 3-4 of these guys potentially

[RedBulls23]

Butler should have been moved this past offseason. We shoudl have worked out a deal where we got Dunn, 2017 Swap pick, and whatever they wanted to give you. Bulls stink it up and go into 2017 draft w/ 2 top 5 picks. Figure they stink it up one more year and get another top 5 pick in 2018 (another loaded draft). So in the span of 3 drafts, you have 4 lottery picks and can move forward. You saw when teh BUlls drafted Gordon and Deng how quickly things turned around.

Not to worry. Paxson doesn't have the balls to pull off a trade for Butler.

While the thought of trading Jimmy Butler an all-nba caliber player for what likely could turn into borderline all-stars does sound enticing, I would rather hold onto the best player this franchise has had since the Dynasty years. Actually make an attempt to add pieces around him that don't suck.

However, I do think we need a new FO to accomplish that.

[Mech Engineer]

Why do some of you who hate GarPax still want to trade Jimmy? It buys them a lot of time to do nothing but come out and praise their great draft picks with a few of them putting up meaningless stats on a 20 win team. Let them earn their money by building a team around Jimmy in the next 2 years and let the team peak in 2 years.

Don't you want your team to be the team to take over when LeBron declines? Try for it at least.... People already are proclaiming Giannis to take over in 2 years for the next 7-8 years, then somebody else and that's just in the East.

I don't like to watch Portis and Doug jacking up shots to get 20 points a night because nobody on the other team cares to even guard the Bulls for the next 5 years.

[RedBulls23]

Nbadraft.net NBA Comparisons to top prospects...

Markelle Faultz- James Harden
Lonzo Ball- Jason Kidd
Dennis Smith- Cp3/DRose
Frank Nitkilina- Dante Exum
Josh Jackson- Kawhi Leonard
Jason Tatum- Allen Houston
DeAaron Fox- Dennis Schroeder
Malik Monk- Eddie Jones
Jonathan Issaac- Rashard Lewis
Harry Giles- Derrick Favors

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

[MC3]

Ric Bucher reports it nuff said

Oh and it's the same guy who think Kobe is gone from the Lakers years ago the only thing he got right is regarding Derrick Rose which I can't remember what was it.

Oh and MC3 Jimmy stats and his performance this season prove u wrong that he is a superstar but hey keep doubting it when evidence shows he proves enough this season he is a superstar.

If it was last season u might be right but this seaso. It is a remarkable season for him he growing and proving to be a superstars the league. Stats shows it and eye tests shows it

Let's just see how this season pans out. Cause superstar will do anything in their power to make this team go somewhere. Even if it means inflating their own stats like Westbrook does. Jimmy really needs to be best player on the court every night. Not good or 2nd best, the best one. And if his shooting is bad, he needs to get players and team involved in other ways to beat them. And if he is hot and his teammates can't shoot a crap, I want him to take fadeaway over double team with hand in his face. Cause that superstar does. He doesnt pass shot to Mirotic with 1.4 sec in though position. He takes that shot. If Jimmy wants to be superstar he needs to watch more Kobe Bryant. And take another step in footwork in mid-range and even take some bad 3's.

Even Derrick did during MVP run after teams started packing paint decided to make barrage of 3's in their face just to tell them you arent stopping me anytime soon. Like I said it's the eye test, you know one when you see him.

[bulliedog8]

Rebuilding in the NBA takes a very very long time. Look at all the teams who have tanked, they are still tanking. The only success story was with the Spurs the one year they tanked, but they already had good players around. If you lose Butler, you have absolutely no talent around. Really, we need a better surrounding cast and we need to somehow get another superstar on this team. The problem is how in the world do you do that.

You could say the Jazz are a success somewhat. They have a ton of young talent. If Hayward re-signs. They will be a playoff team for the next 5 years for sure. It took them like 5+ years to get to this point though. But I think once their team gets a few years older, their ceiling will be a WCFs, which isnt bad at all.

But ya if you tank, expect to be bad for 5yrs at least it seems.

Really you just need a really good front office. People act like the warriors had tanked for their current team.

Curry-7
Klay-11
barnes-7
Draymond-35
Festus-30

Then other avg transactions to complete the team in the iggy and bogut trades/free agencies. Livingston.

So you dont really need to truly tank. Just gotta get lucky and hit on most picks. Take risks in the draft, maybe reach at times, etc.

[Chitownbulls]

Spoiler:

Why do some of you who hate GarPax still want to trade Jimmy? It buys them a lot of time to do nothing but come out and praise their great draft picks with a few of them putting up meaningless stats on a 20 win team. Let them earn their money by building a team around Jimmy in the next 2 years and let the team peak in 2 years.

Don't you want your team to be the team to take over when LeBron declines? Try for it at least.... People already are proclaiming Giannis to take over in 2 years for the next 7-8 years, then somebody else and that's just in the East.

I don't like to watch Portis and Doug jacking up shots to get 20 points a night because nobody on the other team cares to even guard the Bulls for the next 5 years.

Paxson will always stay....Ive been waiting for these bums to be fired forever now and it never happens. They make the Reinsdorf's money.

[Mech Engineer]

Nbadraft.net NBA Comparisons to top prospects...

Markelle Faultz- James Harden
Lonzo Ball- Jason Kidd
Dennis Smith- Cp3/DRose
Frank Nitkilina- Dante Exum
Josh Jackson- Kawhi Leonard
Jason Tatum- Allen Houston
DeAaron Fox- Dennis Schroeder
Malik Monk- Eddie Jones
Jonathan Issaac- Rashard Lewis
Harry Giles- Derrick Favors

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

Thank goodness... They are comparing someone to Eddie Jones and Exum not MJ and LeBron. And, why should a team rank for the next Eddie Jones or even the next Harden?