Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[coldfish]

Before anyone panics about the Bulls selling Butler on the cheap, remember that this is the organization that traded Eddy Curry for two unprotected first round picks while they were saying he had a heart condition that they would not let him play through.

[Chitownbulls]

Nbadraft.net NBA Comparisons to top prospects...

Markelle Faultz- James Harden
Lonzo Ball- Jason Kidd
Dennis Smith- Cp3/DRose
Frank Nitkilina- Dante Exum
Josh Jackson- Kawhi Leonard
Jason Tatum- Allen Houston
DeAaron Fox- Dennis Schroeder
Malik Monk- Eddie Jones
Jonathan Issaac- Rashard Lewis
Harry Giles- Derrick Favors

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

I dont agree with all of their comparisons either but they do track these kids at a very young age. They have been following many of them since middle school.

[League Circles]

Before anyone panics about the Bulls selling Butler on the cheap, remember that this is the organization that traded Eddy Curry for two unprotected first round picks while they were saying he had a heart condition that they would not let him play through.

I'm feeling dumb right now. Can't understand if you're praising or criticizing the Bulls here. Please explain just to satisfy my curiosity.

[Bulls03]

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[MC3]

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Yh, Jimmy is not going anywhere. Reinsdorf will stop this if they are in hot water.

[League Circles]

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Well if Miles Oakner is involved, well, that changes everything.

[erlim]

Trade Jimmy Butler for Derrick Rose, then let Rose walk.

[Bomba Navarro]

Nbadraft.net NBA Comparisons to top prospects...

Markelle Faultz- James Harden
Lonzo Ball- Jason Kidd
Dennis Smith- Cp3/DRose
Frank Nitkilina- Dante Exum
Josh Jackson- Kawhi Leonard
Jason Tatum- Allen Houston
DeAaron Fox- Dennis Schroeder
Malik Monk- Eddie Jones
Jonathan Issaac- Rashard Lewis
Harry Giles- Derrick Favors

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

I dont agree with all of their comparisons either but they do track these kids at a very young age. They have been following many of them since middle school.

So you think it's realistic to expect this year's draft class to be the best ever... on the basis of nbadraft.net comparisons.

Good Lord.

[MisterRoy]

Jimmy. Isn't. Going. Anywhere.


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[NecessaryEvil]

He's 27 with a healthy looking future. Keep him, even if you snagged a better player (say, Anthony Davis), he's a great #2 option also.

Buckets & The Brow would be monsterous

Not trading Jimmy for no picks when you have a still very good Dwayne Wade. We should be going hard for the best talents we can aquire this yr and next.

Wade as a #3 is a great thing also.

[Chitownbulls]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

I dont agree with all of their comparisons either but they do track these kids at a very young age. They have been following many of them since middle school.

So you think it's realistic to expect this year's draft class to be the best ever... on the basis of nbadraft.net comparisons.

Good Lord.

Naw I dont but you have to look at the potential. A lot of these guys have high ceilings and could be the face of a franchise. This is why we hired Hoiberg...he should know all about the college and high school kids coming up. Hes recruited them all or at least seen them in person.

[RedBulls23]

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Well if Miles Oakner is involved, well, that changes everything.

haha...I think Miles Oakner is just some random fan asking Steve Kyler if there is any truth to the rumor.

The FO are, would be in hot water if the Bulls miss the playoffs. Trading Jimmy for draft picks and or young players guarantees the Bulls would miss the playoffs, so Kyler's logic doesn't add up.

[kulaz3000]

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Management is in hot water because of the season which the majority of fans and NBA analyst's expected? We are pretty much right at where the majority of people thought we would be, on the cusp of the playoffs and missing the playoffs, so I don't know how management would be in deep water.

But let's go with it, and say they are in deep water because ownership was just as delusion as casual Bulls fans thinking the way the Bulls started should have been the way the rest of the season went; how would management trading their best player by a long mile resolve anything? Find me trades where you see a star player being traded out for another star player? Trade him for a draft pick? Sure, I'd be OK with that, but it better be for a no.1 or no.2 pick at the very worst, and none of this trading for draft rights and falling down to no.4 or no.5 business. I want a deal for a draft pick made after the draft results have been revealed and then we can talk about draft picks.

I just don't see the logic of the management is in hot water, so they are looking to trade Jimmy to make the team even worse. Great logic right there.

[MisterRoy]

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Well if Miles Oakner is involved, well, that changes everything.

haha...I think Miles Oakner is just some random fan asking Steve Kyler if there is any truth to the rumor.

The FO are, would be in hot water if the Bulls miss the playoffs. Trading Jimmy for draft picks and or young players guarantees the Bulls would miss the playoffs, so Kyler's logic doesn't add up.

I was trying to understand this as well. Trading Jimmy does not make the team any better so I am not sure how it helps them keep their job. You will lose Wade in the process and that might be career suicide for the FO.


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[Bulls_Fan]

Butler should have been moved this past offseason. We shoudl have worked out a deal where we got Dunn, 2017 Swap pick, and whatever they wanted to give you. Bulls stink it up and go into 2017 draft w/ 2 top 5 picks. Figure they stink it up one more year and get another top 5 pick in 2018 (another loaded draft). So in the span of 3 drafts, you have 4 lottery picks and can move forward. You saw when teh BUlls drafted Gordon and Deng how quickly things turned around.

Not to worry. Paxson doesn't have the balls to pull off a trade for Butler.

Wolves with Butler would have been an 8th seed this year at worse. So the pick you get from the wolves for 2017 wouldnt be top 5. That is also why with any trade talks with Minn, Bulls wanted either Wiggins or Towns in any proposed deal.

Thankfully they didnt even offer wiggins. I wouldnt want wiggins for butler ever. Dont even care about age. Towns Id take but obviously the wolves would laugh the bulls off the phone.

Sorry i didn't clarify, i meant they should have made a trade with the Celtics. Celts have a pick swap w/ Brooklyn for 2017.

[Mech Engineer]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Let's just say nbadraft.net doesn't know ****.

I dont agree with all of their comparisons either but they do track these kids at a very young age. They have been following many of them since middle school.

So you think it's realistic to expect this year's draft class to be the best ever... on the basis of nbadraft.net comparisons.

Good Lord.

What if they track from the day of their birth? You can't measure their hunger to excel/improve at NBA level. That is a completely different level than high school, college competitions.

The Bulls FO couldn't figure out Jimmy's level after drafting/developing in the system for 4 years. Most franchise players drafted in the history are just based on pure damn luck. And, none of these are coming out as sure fire bets like Shaq or LeBron or Duncan either.

You already have a star on your team. Just try your hardest to build around him rather than over-analyze some nonsense about he is not MJ or LeBron or your delusional star.

It is crazy that being the 2nd best in the East like Toronto is called NBA hell for some and the Bulls can easily be better than that with a proper foundation around Jimmy.

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Management is in hot water because of the season which the majority of fans and NBA analyst's expected? We are pretty much right at where the majority of people thought we would be, on the cusp of the playoffs and missing the playoffs, so I don't know how management would be in deep water.

But let's go with it, and say they are in deep water because ownership was just as delusion as casual Bulls fans thinking the way the Bulls started should have been the way the rest of the season went; how would management trading their best player by a long mile resolve anything? Find me trades where you see a star player being traded out for another star player? Trade him for a draft pick? Sure, I'd be OK with that, but it better be for a no.1 or no.2 pick at the very worst, and none of this trading for draft rights and falling down to no.4 or no.5 business. I want a deal for a draft pick made after the draft results have been revealed and then we can talk about draft picks.

I just don't see the logic of the management is in hot water, so they are looking to trade Jimmy to make the team even worse. Great logic right there.

Well, in fairness, just because the Bulls were expected to not be good doesn't mean it's acceptable to not be good.

[Bulls_Fan]

He's 27 with a healthy looking future. Keep him, even if you snagged a better player (say, Anthony Davis), he's a great #2 option also.

Buckets & The Brow would be monsterous

Not trading Jimmy for no picks when you have a still very good Dwayne Wade. We should be going hard for the best talents we can aquire this yr and next.

Wade as a #3 is a great thing also.

HOw are you getting Anthony Davis?

[aramada]

So Ric's best buddy, who's client lost the battle against Jimmy Butler as far as Bulls team leadership, would have interest in feeding his "journalist" friend rumors about Jimmy Butler? Hadn't thought about it...

Surprised this ex-ESPN scrub hasn't joined FS1 yet

[Stratmaster]

First, I don't believe the rumor. 2nd, I think it would be foolish.>

Agree on both counts

I don't think Jimmy is a generational talent where you design your entire team for the future around him.>

My wife is not a playboy model- yet I still buy her clothes that flatter her. Or- a line from a song you will recall from your youth- love the one you're with. He's not Jordan/Bird/Lebron/Magic- but he's the best this franchise has right now- and the odds suggest- the best they might have for a long while. Seems common sense to try and design an offense that accentuates your best players strength.

Also, Jimmy has to buy into it even if you are willing to do that. I saw multiple possessions in just the last game where McD was open, calling for the ball, Jimmy looked at him and ignored him. On the last of those you can see McD in the corner throwing his arms down in disgust..>

Is McDermott the second coming of Ray Allen? A legendary shooter who can't be looked off when the primary playmaker thinks he's not the best option? I'd also challenge the extrapolation of your subjective observations from last game that they are definitively representative of a larger sample size. The Bulls 'shooters' if you can call them that- have been abysmal this season. They need to earn the right not to be looked off.

You can lead a horse to shooters, but you can't make him pass to them. To qualify that, Jimmy made some great passes in the game, including I believe to Doug and he by no means was "ball-hogging". However, he does not seem enamored with the "pass it back out to a 3 point shooter at the 3-point line" approach.

I could be wrong- but Butler appears to want to win- and with some more competent shooters on the floor- I don't share your fear that he would ignore them.

<preparing for the backlash I will receive from those calling this "Butler bashing", and I will silently accept it even though that is not at all the intent>

I am holding a 2 for 1 sale on pitchforks and effigy dummies

All fair enough.

On the first point, I guess it comes down to whether or not you feel Jimmy Butler can win a championship, or at least seriously compete for one, having a team built specifically around him. I don't think Jimmy and a bunch of shooters (assuming they are still competent defensively and rebounding wise) can do that. Obviously...that's just opinion at this point; hopefully at least an informed opinion. That doesn't mean you don't consider fit with Jimmy, but in my mind you look for the highest impact player you can find and you expect that player and Jimmy to learn to play properly in the sandbox. From there, you fill in complimentary pieces around those 2 players. Wade would be that guy if he was 5 years younger...but he isn't.

On McD, he is over 40% for his career from 3 and was 42.5% last season. He is unarguably (at least I think most anyone would agree to this) the best 3 point shooter the Bulls have. It is counter intuitive to say "Jimmy needs 3 point shooters" and then say "why should Jimmy pass it to an open McD if he thinks there might be a better shot elsewhere. You answered that question when you stated the need. You aren't going to find any "more competent" 3 point shooters than Doug; he was tied for 6th in the league last season with Klay Thompson in 3-point %. Is Klay Thompson the second coming of Ray Allen? A legendary shooter who can't be looked off when the primary playmaker thinks he's not the best option? Maybe not, but I think you would expect Jimmy to apss to him if he was open, right?

Fortunately, I will never let any of you see a picture of me, so the effigy dummy hopefully won't cause me problems!