Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[TheGOATRises007]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

Andrew Wiggins is the 61st small forward out of 80 in real plus/minus this year, between Joe Harris and Maurice Ndour. He does nothing but shoot a lot, with average efficiency. I might take 5 Andrew Wigginses for Jimmy Butler in the hope that one will change his game entirely and grow into his athleticism, but one of them ... nope. Not close.

Exactly. Wiggins is honestly a BUM compared to Butler.

[TheStig]

Before anyone panics about the Bulls selling Butler on the cheap, remember that this is the organization that traded Eddy Curry for two unprotected first round picks while they were saying he had a heart condition that they would not let him play through.

This is also the same organization who signed a past prime Ben Wallce to a huge deal and then dealt a prime Tyson Chandler on a much smaller deal for an old broken down PJ Brown and Jr Smith, who they flipped for a 2nd rounder.

So a DPOY and 3 time all defensive player for a old rental and a 2nd.

It's a crap shoot.

That's a pretty slanted portrait of those deals. Chandler became DPOY six years after the Bulls dealt him.

Wallace, who you call "past prime," was the reigning DPOY the very year the Bulls signed him.

I get that you might not do those deals in retrospect, but GMs don't have time machines.

I'm not sure what time machine that you need to project that a 24 year old is going to have a brighter trajectory than a 32 year old. There was a reason a Piston's team that won 64 games and went to the ECF didn't want him back.

And they could have afforded to keep them both!

[BigUps]

Trading a proven player for unknowns is a really risky proposition. Has any franchise done this successfully? I can't think of any.

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[Poohdini1]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

Wiggins seems be underwhelming to the player he was projected to be.

Wolves fans also question his drive.

Then Dunn is about as mediocre of a prospect you can get.

Yeah that's what I've been hearing lately. You could do a lot worse, although it's hard to imagine something like his drive improving if Thibs can't get it out of him. Haven't seen much of Dunn, went to the game here in Chi and he didn't play much. Was awesome watching Thibs yank these dudes out after a bad possession/hot lol.

[Bulls03]

BTW, Fridell is on ESPN 1000 talking about this rumor.

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Have any updates?

[kingkirk]

https://theathletic.com/32674/2017/01/05/are-the-bulls-shopping-jimmy-butler-probably-not/

[TheStig]

Wouldn't be that upset if we got Wiggins & Dunn tbh. Cavs got 2 #1 overall picks for K Love.

Andrew Wiggins is the 61st small forward out of 80 in real plus/minus this year, between Joe Harris and Maurice Ndour. He does nothing but shoot a lot, with average efficiency. I might take 5 Andrew Wigginses for Jimmy Butler in the hope that one will change his game entirely and grow into his athleticism, but one of them ... nope. Not close.

Exactly. Wiggins is honestly a BUM compared to Butler.

I would take Wiggins/Lavine or Wiggins/Dunn/Unprotected First if they had to do a deal.

Butler is a top 10 player. They shouldn't trade him unless they get the moon.

[Mech Engineer]

Trading a proven player for unknowns is a really risky proposition. Has any franchise done this successfully? I can't think of any.

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No.... Only bad franchises in small markets like Orlando, Denver and that too they traded 1 way stars.

There is no team in the history of the NBA as far as I remember which traded a star and got young pieces and won a championship in the next decade.

[Ice Man]

I would take Wiggins/Lavine or Wiggins/Dunn/Unprotected First if they had to do a deal.

That could work if we went into tank mode. Not my thing,but I could see it.

[Rerisen]

I'd almost like to believe this just due to the hot water part.

Then GarPax are unable to land a killer deal for Butler (which would extremely difficult) and thus out of options, get the boot.

[Poohdini1]

Andrew Wiggins is the 61st small forward out of 80 in real plus/minus this year, between Joe Harris and Maurice Ndour. He does nothing but shoot a lot, with average efficiency. I might take 5 Andrew Wigginses for Jimmy Butler in the hope that one will change his game entirely and grow into his athleticism, but one of them ... nope. Not close.

Exactly. Wiggins is honestly a BUM compared to Butler.

I would take Wiggins/Lavine or Wiggins/Dunn/Unprotected First if they had to do a deal.

Butler is a top 10 player. They shouldn't trade him unless they get the moon.

Also Love was on an expiring deal, so CLE knew they had to max him that summer to keep him around. Jimmy's got 2 years left on a very nice deal and is just a flat out better player.

I'm against a trade but they need to target some young talent, preferably in the west cause I don't wanna see JB run through us a few times a year.

[Rerisen]

Isn't this thread title a bit hyperbolic mods? Pretty much suggests he's in the process of being traded right now.

[kingkirk]

I'd almost like to believe this just due to the hot water part.

Then GarPax are unable to land a killer deal for Butler (which would extremely difficult) and thus out of options, get the boot.

If management presumably are in hot water because of bad decisions made in the past, why would they be empowered to move Butler, despite Reinsdorf not being interested in a rebuild?

[Rerisen]

I'd almost like to believe this just due to the hot water part.

Then GarPax are unable to land a killer deal for Butler (which would extremely difficult) and thus out of options, get the boot.

If management presumably are in hot water because of bad decisions made in the past, why would they be empowered to move Butler, despite Reinsdorf not being interested in a rebuild?

Not sure if you've read the whole thread, but that's the exact same question I asked earlier.

Makes no sense.

[keloms]

If you're advocating trading Butler, you're a moron. No other way to put it.

Return will be garbage and team will be set backwards by a decade until they fall bass ackwards again into a top pick all the while the real problem of the organization still exists in the FO.

[Bulls03]

Isn't this thread title a bit hyperbolic mods? Pretty much suggests he's in the process of being traded right now.

Well when I posted it it was in question format but it looks like it has been edited and looks and sounds like a statement now.

[jnrjr79]

This is also the same organization who signed a past prime Ben Wallce to a huge deal and then dealt a prime Tyson Chandler on a much smaller deal for an old broken down PJ Brown and Jr Smith, who they flipped for a 2nd rounder.

So a DPOY and 3 time all defensive player for a old rental and a 2nd.

It's a crap shoot.

That's a pretty slanted portrait of those deals. Chandler became DPOY six years after the Bulls dealt him.

Wallace, who you call "past prime," was the reigning DPOY the very year the Bulls signed him.

I get that you might not do those deals in retrospect, but GMs don't have time machines.

I'm not sure what time machine that you need to project that a 24 year old is going to have a brighter trajectory than a 32 year old. There was a reason a Piston's team that won 64 games and went to the ECF didn't want him back.

And they could have afforded to keep them both!

Good, let's call the Cavs and have them trade us LeBron for Bobby Portis, given their respective trajectories.

In any event, I wasn't trying to defend the deals, just noting that the framing was a little bit silly in terms of decontextualizing them to make them seem worse.

[johnnyvann840]

I'd almost like to believe this just due to the hot water part.

Then GarPax are unable to land a killer deal for Butler (which would extremely difficult) and thus out of options, get the boot.

If management presumably are in hot water because of bad decisions made in the past, why would they be empowered to move Butler, despite Reinsdorf not being interested in a rebuild?

Not sure if you've read the whole thread, but that's the exact same question I asked earlier.

Makes no sense.

It doesn't make any sense. But, our organization has done a lot of things that do not make any sense in the last few years.

Just saying. I don't care if Bucher is "right" or not... it just wouldn't surprise me if Jimmy got traded soon.

[Red Larrivee]

Trading a proven player for unknowns is a really risky proposition. Has any franchise done this successfully? I can't think of any.

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Usually in the NBA, the team that gets the best player wins the trade.

I don't think there's anything to this though. It's 2017 journalism; throw **** at the wall and wait for people to smell it.

[RedBulls23]

Isn't this thread title a bit hyperbolic mods? Pretty much suggests he's in the process of being traded right now.

Changed it again to not make it sound as a statement.