Hawks trade Korver to Cleveland

Post #1 » by **Double Helix** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:09 am

No word yet on what's heading back. Clearing the way for a Ross trade perhaps?

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Post #2 » by **Double Helix** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:23 am

Sounds like Mo Williams and a heavily protected first rounder headed to the Hawks.

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bigmandinky · Post #3 » by **bigmandinky** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:41 am

Just curious - don't you guys think you couldve gotten at least a guranteed late first or something by trading him to another team? This just seems like one of those deals that you would do with another GM as a favor IMO.

DirtybirdGA · Post #4 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:41 am

his time was ending with Prince to groom, but damn why the hell to the team you want to surpass?

Hawks gonna be the Hawks still.

LeMasta · Post #5 » by **LeMasta** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:51 am

Of course it's to the Cavs out of ALL the teams. Why does every GM seem to want the Cavs to succeed.

Post #6 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:10 am

This isn't clearing the way for Ross lol. It's clearing the way for Prince and Bembry to get more minutes.

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D21 · Post #7 » by **D21** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:19 am

DirtybirdGA wrote::banghead: his time was ending with Prince to groom, but damn why the hell to the team you want to surpass?
Hawks gonna be the Hawks still.

LeMasta wrote:Of course it's to the Cavs out of ALL the teams. Why does every GM seem to want the Cavs to succeed.

I would have said the same thing the previous seasons when ATL was at his best with Korver on the floor more than any other player, but this season, ATL is at an On/Off court NET of -11pts/100poss. with Korver

Maybe it's because of the new system, or it would be sad but he may be finished, and won't help CLE as much as they think. Now, in a team already full of 3pts launchers, he can have more space than he ever had...

LeMasta · Post #8 » by **LeMasta** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:19 am

ATL Boy wrote:This isn't clearing the way for Ross lol. It's clearing the way for Prince and Bembry to get more minutes.

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really makes the Baze signing more frustrating to me

Post #9 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:40 am

LeMasta wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:This isn't clearing the way for Ross lol. It's clearing the way for Prince and Bembry to get more minutes.

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really makes the Baze signing more frustrating to me

Agreed. It's mind-boggling how short-sighted and regrettable that signing is. And almost instantly. After acquiring Bembry, Prince and THJ in successive drafts -- and with Korver and Thabo already here:

Why was Kent Bazemore made one of the highest paid Hawks in franchise history?
Because of our "need" on the wings?
Because of his "high ceiling"?

Post #10 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:54 am

Best of luck to Kyle. Hope he wins a title.

Wish we had gotten more in return.

DirtybirdGA · Post #11 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:01 am

Hawks look rather silly with him sitting on the bench, I get support, but damn.

D21 · Post #12 » by **D21** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:34 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
LeMasta wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:This isn't clearing the way for Ross lol. It's clearing the way for Prince and Bembry to get more minutes.

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really makes the Baze signing more frustrating to me

Agreed. It's mind-boggling how short-sighted and regrettable that signing is. And almost instantly. After acquiring Bembry, Prince and THJ in successive drafts -- and with Korver and Thabo already here:

Why was Kent Bazemore made one of the highest paid Hawks in franchise history?
Because of our "need" on the wings?
Because of his "high ceiling"?

Because he's a fan favorite, like they thought fro Dwight (even if he can produce).
I'll remember the optimistic moment when Dwight was signed and we still had cap hold for Horford, and then the news came for the Bazemore signing. At this moment, we were in trouble, because a trade was needed to keep Horford's cap hold and be able to re-sign him.

If only Bazemore has consistently produce this season, it would be different, but he's the main guy not impacting the team, more he hurts the team at this moment.
Yesterday, he has impact and ATL won. Today 2pts and 0 Plus/Minus and we struggle to win (Thabo has Plus-14 and THJ Plus-7).
It looks like he plays correctly when he wants...

DoItALL9 · Post #13 » by **DoItALL9** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 4:50 am

D21 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
LeMasta wrote:
really makes the Baze signing more frustrating to me

Agreed. It's mind-boggling how short-sighted and regrettable that signing is. And almost instantly. After acquiring Bembry, Prince and THJ in successive drafts -- and with Korver and Thabo already here:

Why was Kent Bazemore made one of the highest paid Hawks in franchise history?
Because of our "need" on the wings?
Because of his "high ceiling"?

Because he's a fan favorite, like they thought fro Dwight (even if he can produce).
I'll remember the optimistic moment when Dwight was signed and we still had cap hold for Horford, and then the news came for the Bazemore signing. At this moment, we were in trouble, because a trade was needed to keep Horford's cap hold and be able to re-sign him.

If only Bazemore has consistently produce this season, it would be different, but he's the main guy not impacting the team, more he hurts the team at this moment.
Yesterday, he has impact and ATL won. Today 2pts and 0 Plus/Minus and we struggle to win (Thabo has Plus-14 and THJ Plus-7).
It looks like he plays correctly when he wants...

Would convincing Cleveland to add onto the trade that they take Bazemore for JR Smith be desirable to you?

Post #14 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:09 am

Read on Twitter

I suspect that this trade, more than even Jeff or Horford, is the move that forces us into a rebuild.

Korver became the wise old sage, the voice of wisdom and the heart and soul of this squad.

I can't imagine any scenario where Millsap would even want to re-sign with us now. Horford, Korver, Demarre and Teague shared Player of the Month honors two years ago.

Now 80% of that starting unit is gone.

Post #15 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:17 am

Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

I suspect that this trade, more than even Jeff or Horford, is the move that forces us into a rebuild.

Korver became the wise old sage, the voice of wisdom and the heart and soul of this squad.

I can't imagine any scenario where Millsap would even want to re-sign with us now. Horford, Korver, Demarre and Teague shared Player of the Month honors two years ago.

Now 80% of that starting unit is gone.

Yea, this is a big hit on the Millsap front no doubt. Maybe that's why we've been "aggressively" pursuing a trade involving him.

Hindsight is 20/20 right now, but we'd be in such a better position moving forward had we traded Al last year, or had we just given Al that $6 mil total extra he wanted over the Summer and then traded Sap to Denver. I feel like that stinginess on the Horford front will haunt us for years to come.

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Post #16 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:33 am

ATL Boy wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

I suspect that this trade, more than even Jeff or Horford, is the move that forces us into a rebuild.

Korver became the wise old sage, the voice of wisdom and the heart and soul of this squad.

I can't imagine any scenario where Millsap would even want to re-sign with us now. Horford, Korver, Demarre and Teague shared Player of the Month honors two years ago.

Now 80% of that starting unit is gone.

Yea, this is a big hit on the Millsap front no doubt. Maybe that's why we've been "aggressively" pursuing a trade involving him.

Hindsight is 20/20 right now, but we'd be in such a better position moving forward had we traded Al last year, or had we just given Al that $6 mil total extra he wanted over the Summer and then traded Sap to Denver. I feel like that stinginess on the Horford front will haunt us for years to come.

You got that right, brother.

Either of those moves would have left us in a drastically better place than we are today. Waiting until the last minute when dealing with impending free agents has not served us well.

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Wraps_fan · Post #17 » by **Wraps_fan** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:42 am

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Crazy how a team can win 60 games, and 1 and a half years later they are going into a full on rebuild, or at least it seems.

I feel for you guys, and it's a reality check to Raptors fans like myself that this period of success can be gone so quickly

Maf · Post #18 » by **Maf** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:51 am

I hate GM Bud. **** him! Why the hell to Cavs, team I dislike the most? So now I'll have to root against Korver in finals plus he won't get much PT there so he might have hard time to catch Terry for 3rd all-time in threes made.

MaceCase · Post #19 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:56 am

ATL Boy wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

I suspect that this trade, more than even Jeff or Horford, is the move that forces us into a rebuild.

Korver became the wise old sage, the voice of wisdom and the heart and soul of this squad.

I can't imagine any scenario where Millsap would even want to re-sign with us now. Horford, Korver, Demarre and Teague shared Player of the Month honors two years ago.

Now 80% of that starting unit is gone.

Yea, this is a big hit on the Millsap front no doubt. Maybe that's why we've been "aggressively" pursuing a trade involving him.

Hindsight is 20/20 right now, but we'd be in such a better position moving forward had we traded Al last year, or had we just given Al that $6 mil total extra he wanted over the Summer and then traded Sap to Denver. I feel like that stinginess on the Horford front will haunt us for years to come.

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Eh, Al isn't exactly having a banner year. All the aspects of his game that posters complained about and were trying to hang solely on Bud have only become exacerbated in Boston and they are what...only a game and half ahead of the "struggling" Hawks? Management were trying to split the difference between being conscious of the future and continuity. They were already bending their back upping their offer for Al and entertaining scenarios to accommodate him but would not break knowing the future implications of investing that much over that period of time to a guy who you know will no-show against Cleveland and having middling "assets" flanking that decision.

Post #20 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:58 am

Wraps_fan wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Crazy how a team can win 60 games, and 1 and a half years later they are going into a full on rebuild, or at least it seems.

I feel for you guys, and it's a reality check to Raptors fans like myself that this period of success can be gone so quickly

Yup, it's the nature of this league and sports in general. Unless you have that transcendent talent (Lebron) your window could always close unexpectedly. That 2014/15 team caught lightning in a bottle and turned it into a 33-2 stretch. A short while later, and it's clear that that was just an anomaly.