Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[RedBulls23]

A couple of thoughts from a Celtics fan:

1. I still don't believe Jimmy Butler is going anywhere. I mean Ric Bucher. The next time Bucher is right about anything will be his first time.

2. If the Bulls trade Butler it means the Bulls are rebuilding. Why would the Bulls trade Butler at $18 million to get Bradley who is probably going to make $20+ million in a little over a year? I'm guessing the Bulls would have interest in Brown and both Brooklyn picks, maybe Smart.

Bulls would probably make the Celtics take Lopez or Rondo.

Any thoughts?

Well Bulls fans would certinaly only want draft picks and young players like the package you described, but lord knows what our goofy ass FO would do.

They haven't been making the best decisions the past 3-4 years.

[greenl]

If Jokic is ever an all star, I'll eat my words and admit to being a complete idiot regarding him.

But I am positive he'll never be an all star.

This is dumb. You called him meh and now you're moving the goal posts.

He is meh imo.

I don't think he's anything special at all.

If you think so, then go ahead.

Jokic is the real deal. Nuggets finally figured out how to use him about 10-12 games ago. He's a ridiculously skilled big man.

[digitaldropoff]

If Bulls want to do a deal with Thibs who would probably give up alot for Jimmy, Id do Lavine and Dunn for Jimmy

That would be terrible. LaVine is developing nicely but he has maybe a 15% chance of becoming as good as Butler is. Dunn maybe 5%.

You do know how trading a superstar works, right? You never, ever get the full value or return when moving such a piece. It's getting the best perceived offer. No one will give you a player as good as Butler....rather, you'll get a couple of guys who you'll hope to get nearly as good.

[Mech Engineer]

The Bulls have never dealt even a fringe allstar in his prime.... They wouldn't deal Deng or Noah in their prime. They were ready to deal Deng only for prime LeBron possibility.

I doubt they are changing that with a much better player in Butler. And, I am sure Jerry believes he will find another all star especially when they got Wade just this year.

[DarthDiggler69]

If Bulls want to do a deal with Thibs who would probably give up alot for Jimmy, Id do Lavine and Dunn for Jimmy

That would be terrible. LaVine is developing nicely but he has maybe a 15% chance of becoming as good as Butler is. Dunn maybe 5%.

There are some strange posts here. Butler is similar age to Harden, Westbrook, Cousins, Kawhi, a bit older than AD, and of a similar level. OK we can quibble who is better among them but in a similar range. Imagine going to those teams with Warren/Bender and LaVine/Dunn offers. They would hit you with a brick in retaliation.

I dont really care who will have a better career player for player in this trade, I like what Lavine can bring and Dunn's potential, overall I'd love it even if Butler is better then they ever will be. Usually dont get equal return when you trade stars for potential

[Ice Man]

You do know how trading a superstar works, right? You never, ever get the full value or return when moving such a piece.

That's true. Which leads us to Part #2 -- don't trade.

[GetBuLLish]

Boston seems like the most realistic trade partner. A very realistic one though.

If Boston got their hands on Jimmy, they could legit contend with Cleveland this year. I think you can extract Boston's premium picks for that.

And if the Bulls trade Jimmy and Taj, we could realistically become a bottom five team this year, right? That would potentially give us two top 5 picks next year, plus another top pick the next year because we would be terrible again.

[DarthDiggler69]

The Bulls have never dealt even a fringe allstar in his prime.... They wouldn't deal Deng or Noah in their prime. They were ready to deal Deng only for prime LeBron possibility.

I doubt they are changing that with a much better player in Butler. And, I am sure Jerry believes he will find another all star especially when they got Wade just this year.

I agree, but I get the feeling Wade might have a hand in forming this team, actually hoping he does over management lol

[the ultimates]

If Bulls want to do a deal with Thibs who would probably give up alot for Jimmy, Id do Lavine and Dunn for Jimmy

That would be terrible. LaVine is developing nicely but he has maybe a 15% chance of becoming as good as Butler is. Dunn maybe 5%.

There are some strange posts here. Butler is similar age to Harden, Westbrook, Cousins, Kawhi, a bit older than AD, and of a similar level. OK we can quibble who is better among them but in a similar range. Imagine going to those teams with Warren/Bender and LaVine/Dunn offers. They would hit you with a brick in retaliation.

LOL why must you be so violent

[Ice Man]

Wow, I've not seen the guy play, that Jokic guy is CRAZY GOOD on stats/age. 19/11/5.5 per 36 on 64% TS% at 21 years old? He's better than Porzingis, playing in nowhere. Like Rudy Gobert of soph year, toiling anonymously in Utah. Yeah I would take that guy + another asset in a Butler trade, at least he has some serious upside.

[BloodyQ]

So the Bulls finally have another top 10 player and now they wanna trade him........why not trade some other assets and get Milsap or something....see how far they go.

I can't live with seeing Butler on another team, it's too much to bear.

I say give it another offseason, if by January next year the Bulls are still a .500 team then trade Butler.

[Ice Man]

Boston seems like the most realistic trade partner.

Yep. As another poster wrote, it's time for Danny to cash in the chips. Cousins, Butler, Paul George ... consolidate to get a stud, and make a run. The East is wide open except Cleveland, and the Cavs are so thin that they can be beaten by a good team if they sustain one injury to their top three players. The time is now, Danny.

[BloodyQ]

The Bulls have never dealt even a fringe allstar in his prime.... They wouldn't deal Deng or Noah in their prime. They were ready to deal Deng only for prime LeBron possibility.

I doubt they are changing that with a much better player in Butler. And, I am sure Jerry believes he will find another all star especially when they got Wade just this year.

I agree, but I get the feeling Wade might have a hand in forming this team, actually hoping he does over management lol

So Wade wants to get rid of Jimmy Butler....the guy he has been buddy/buddy with this whole time.....that makes no sense.

[MC3]

Boston seems like the most realistic trade partner. A very realistic one though.

If Boston got their hands on Jimmy, they could legit contend with Cleveland this year. I think you can extract Boston's premium picks for that.

And if the Bulls trade Jimmy and Taj, we could realistically become a bottom five team this year, right? That would potentially give us two top 5 picks next year, plus another top pick the next year because we would be terrible again.

we have too many wins currently to be top 5. even with trade. We would need to go 10-36 after trade at minimum to get 28-54 which is exactly 5th pick. If you want top 3 pick, we would need to go 3-43 lol. If you wanted to tank, it should have been done in December after collecting losses. Now after recent wins it becomes more clear Bulls wont pick near top 5 no matter do you trade or not. We are in hell.

[Ctownbulls]

Rich Bucher is the source. I'll wait for a more credible source to believe it.

When is the Kobe trade happening?

[Ctownbulls]

Boston seems like the most realistic trade partner.

Yep. As another poster wrote, it's time for Danny to cash in the chips. Cousins, Butler, Paul George ... consolidate to get a stud, and make a run. The East is wide open except Cleveland, and the Cavs are so thin that they can be beaten by a good team if they sustain one injury to their top three players. The time is now, Danny.

Boston with Jimmy wasn't beating Cleveland even before Korver.

[robbie84]

Is it reasonable to consider that Butler would be available for the right price, simply because he doesn't get along with the front office?
If the Front office wants to keep their jobs, couldn't Butler be the scapegoat for their incompetence?
I could see their reasoning with ownership being something like :
We had the pieces but Jimmy just doesn't want to play 'team' ball like we want him to. So let's dump him and let Hoiberg and his huge contract and college experience develop some young players and a high pick. It would probably give Garpax another few years to screw things up for yall? (from their own POV).

[GimmeDat]

I don't think you deal Butler with any assumption that you will get a piece in return that's going to be as good as him. Otherwise a team would simply not do it.

I think you deal in the knowledge that building around Butler is a dead end given the predicament the FO has put this team in, and look to get the best possible restart as possible.

[CoreyVillains]

These proposals hurt my soul. Terrible. I would rather go the opposite route and try and do what Ainge did when forming the big 3, bringing in complimentary vets in exchange for our young talent.

[GimmeDat]

Boston seems like the most realistic trade partner.

Yep. As another poster wrote, it's time for Danny to cash in the chips. Cousins, Butler, Paul George ... consolidate to get a stud, and make a run. The East is wide open except Cleveland, and the Cavs are so thin that they can be beaten by a good team if they sustain one injury to their top three players. The time is now, Danny.

Talking from Bostons perspective, I think they'd be crazy not to go all in right now. If you have a chance to become a legit contender, I don't think you can pass it up. Their board seems over-attached to the potential of their trade chips, and they're also at risk of not committing to a lane and ending up an average playoff team now, and an average playoff team in the future.

They have the 7th best record already, they're deep, have a good culture, lots of role players that would fit well around Butler, and more assets to shore up the frontcourt. They'd be legit competition to Cleveland imo.