Question: how aggressively should we be tanking?

walk with me · Post #1 » by **walk with me** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:11 am

I don't know about you guys but I'm ok 100% pulling the plug on trying to win games. We're currently 3rd from dead last infront of Philly and BK. I don't think it's possible we finish below Brooklyn but philly has to continue to play their young players who are more capable of winning games IMO than our young guys.

I want to go into the lottery with top 2 chances at a 1 pick. Why are we playing to win? We should trade Dion waiters. We do better when he plays.

goodboy · Post #2 » by **goodboy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:22 am

I agree.

At this point, the only positive thing I want from this season is TJ/JR development. And ofcourse Dragic raising his trade value.

Post #3 » by **kyphi** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:23 am

HeatFanDan · Post #4 » by **HeatFanDan** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:26 am

Hate to beat a dead horse, but let's not pretend that the draft lottery is on the up & up. Adam Silver's favorite will get the #1 pick, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ping-pong balls, or odds, or any of that. So personally, I'd be pretty bummed if we purposely tanked and ended up with the 10th pick.

FlashFlare · Post #5 » by **FlashFlare** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:32 am

HeatFanDan wrote:Hate to beat a dead horse, but let's not pretend that the draft lottery is on the up & up. Adam Silver's favorite will get the #1 pick, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ping-pong balls, or odds, or any of that. So personally, I'd be pretty bummed if we purposely tanked and ended up with the 10th pick.

you really believe the draft lottery is rigged?

HeatFanDan · Post #6 » by **HeatFanDan** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:35 am

FlashFlare wrote:
HeatFanDan wrote:Hate to beat a dead horse, but let's not pretend that the draft lottery is on the up & up. Adam Silver's favorite will get the #1 pick, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ping-pong balls, or odds, or any of that. So personally, I'd be pretty bummed if we purposely tanked and ended up with the 10th pick.

you really believe the draft lottery is rigged?

Nah, I believe that Cleveland got the #1 pick 3 times in 4 years legitimately. :roll:

walk with me · Post #7 » by **walk with me** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:05 am

HeatFanDan wrote:Hate to beat a dead horse, but let's not pretend that the draft lottery is on the up & up. Adam Silver's favorite will get the #1 pick, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ping-pong balls, or odds, or any of that. So personally, I'd be pretty bummed if we purposely tanked and ended up with the 10th pick.

rigged or not i'd rather go in with the best chances possible.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/lottery_results/2016

you can look for yourself. The odds don't stray to far outside what's supposed to happen. Once and a while 1 team jumps like 8 spots to #1 but that just drops everyone else down 1 spot.... So say our odds were to get the 1st pick. Someone random like minnesota would jump to 1 and we would end up getting the 2 pick.

All i'm saying is i'd rather go in with the best odds possible. Winning extra games in a season we don't make the playoffs means absolutely nothing.

kyphi wrote:smh

what is SMH for? You want to keep trying to win ?

goodboy wrote:I agree.

At this point, the only positive thing I want from this season is TJ/JR development. And ofcourse Dragic raising his trade value.

100%! i hated the dion waiters signing for this reason. We are abolutely not keeping him, he's not horrendous and he's just going to take minutes away from guys I'd rather see play like TJ, Justice, Dragon, JR. I'd rather have signed a d-league prospect or chalmers or something.

Post #8 » by **kyphi** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:13 am

there is no honor in losing on purpose

Rich2Hassan · Post #9 » by **Rich2Hassan** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:15 am

I want to lose out if possible.

Bishop45 · Post #10 » by **Bishop45** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:36 am

kyphi wrote:there is no honor in losing on purpose

kyphi wrote:smh

Kyphi's avi has the right idea, crapshooting for the lottery can never be ideal. Never

Gotta play your hand, Don't have any talent to commit to, then so be it. You'll suck, trust the process brehs. Thee entire process.

Post #11 » by **kyphi** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:50 am

and it will be the best poop sandwich you have ever tasted, believe me. I've been around long enough to recognize a good poop sammich when I see one. :wink:

I don't want to see the Heat nation slip into accepting mediocre ball - that thought can easily turn into treadmill think - and when has that ever ever worked.

contract · Post #12 » by **contract** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:40 am

walk with me wrote:I don't know about you guys but I'm ok 100% pulling the plug on trying to win games. We're currently 3rd from dead last infront of Philly and BK. I don't think it's possible we finish below Brooklyn but philly has to continue to play their young players who are more capable of winning games IMO than our young guys.

I want to go into the lottery with top 2 chances at a 1 pick. Why are we playing to win? We should trade Dion waiters. We do better when he plays.

We should chase the #1 pick with the unrelenting energy that Russell Westbrook plays ball.

contract · Post #13 » by **contract** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:46 am

kyphi wrote:there is no honor in losing on purpose

Honor went out the window when we rolled with this crew. We are tanking. The question is are we going to do it right, or are we going to screw it up by pretending that we're not trying to lose on purpose?

dolphinatik · Post #14 » by **dolphinatik** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:19 pm

no point in tanking if we dont learn anything, thats how we become treadmill.
Key to this year was to see what TJ and JRich and Winsnow can do and if they can be solid players. So far we still dont know. TJ has had some games but he has followed them up with stinkers. Winslow cant shoot and JRich is also hot and cold. Meanwhile we still start Babbit and have wastes like McRoberts on the bench.

BEst way to tank is to try to win with your young core.

Post #15 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:45 pm

Hell ya you guys should. You already have one of the worst records in the league. You guys have a huge lack of talent, Justise just went down for the season and he was having a rough year anyways. The top of this draft is very deep so if you miss out on the top spot you can still get a great pick with a top 3 pick or so.

What's the point of trying to win a few games and end up 10th or 11th in the east this year? What would be the point of sneaking into the playoffs as an 8th seed then getting swept by the Cavs?

Tank, land Dennis Smith Jr and trade Dragic for whatever you can and go as hard as you can in free agency. A DSJ/Whiteside PnR would be a great combination. Trying to win games and end up with a draft pick anywhere from 8-15 would be a waist

Post #16 » by **kyphi** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:58 pm

Hopefully, the staff doesn't see it that way. This IS a wonderful time to find out younger players' talent, coachability, and locker-room presence. Try to find that diamond in the rough. I doubt the Heat lose games on purpose, or the Eastern Conference is built on cards if they do.

No to losing on purpose; that's for teams who do not have a winning tradition. No back burner for the HEAT.

Prince Ali · Post #17 » by **Prince Ali** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:12 pm

I think you lot don't know the definition of tanking. Just because you're losing games does not mean you are tanking. The Sixers, yea they are tanking. We're just losing while competing. Now if the question is: should we make a concerted effort to lose games? I say no. We are on the path of a top 3-5 pick the honorable way and that's fine with me.

Flash4thewin · Post #18 » by **Flash4thewin** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:17 pm

We are the Miami Heat and are run like a mafia, for crying out loud we call Pat the God father, and people talk about honor :lol:

Ideally yes we want to know what we have in our young players but Winslow is out and since we are not starting TJ their is not much that can be done. The honest question this organization has to ask itself is what is the real goal here. Do we want to win a championship or are we just trying to get back into the playoffs ? Both are two completely different goals. If we want to make it to the playoffs at all cost keeping Dragic makes sense because he is worth more to us than to any other team out there. If we realize we need a drastic infusion of talent it might be time to sell.

Prince Ali · Post #19 » by **Prince Ali** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:22 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:We are the Miami Heat and are run like a mafia, for crying out loud we call Pat the God father, and people talk about honor

Ideally yes we want to know what we have in our young players but Winslow is out and since we are not starting TJ their is not much that can be done. The honest question this organization has to ask itself is what is the real goal here. Do we want to win a championship or are we just trying to get back into the playoffs ? Both are two completely different goals. If we want to make it to the playoffs at all cost keeping Dragic makes sense because he is worth more to us than to any other team out there. If we realize we need a drastic infusion of talent it might be time to sell.

How many championship contenders are there in the East?

NBADraft2003 · Post #20 » by **NBADraft2003** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:36 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Hell ya you guys should. You already have one of the worst records in the league.You guys have a huge lack of talent, Justise just went down for the season and he was having a rough year anyways. The top of this draft is very deep so if you miss out on the top spot you can still get a great pick with a top 3 pick or so.

What's the point of trying to win a few games and end up 10th or 11th in the east this year? What would be the point of sneaking into the playoffs as an 8th seed then getting swept by the Cavs?

Tank, land Dennis Smith Jr and trade Dragic for whatever you can and go as hard as you can in free agency. A DSJ/Whiteside PnR would be a great combination. Trying to win games and end up with a draft pick anywhere from 8-15 would be a waist

Ding! Ding! Ding!

No need to say anything further after that, what are you intentionally losing games for if you're already losing them anyway? We already suck, no need to throw games.