Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

Alcatraz17 · Post #501 » by **Alcatraz17** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:46 am

HomoSapien wrote:The chances of getting someone better than Butler are insanely slim. Even if you do find a great prospect, most of them will take 2-3 years to develop. Butler is still only 27, and is going to be an impact player for a long time. Can you imagine what a disaster it would've been if the Celtics prematurely gave up on Paul Pierce for a rebuild?

MalagaBulls · Post #502 » by **MalagaBulls** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:46 am

Celtics (Ainge) are supposedly listening to offers for the Net's pick. Nets have the worst record so the odds of at least a top 3 lottery pick are very good. That would impact the Jimmy B rumors because the Celts are know to be desperate for a star player. So it will be a rumor roller coaster for the next 6 week until the deadline is over.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/01/celtics-will-listen-to-offers-for-nets-pick.html

BullChit · Post #503 » by **BullChit** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:58 am

At a certain point I wish the front office would just pick a damn lane and stick to it...

vxmike · Post #504 » by **vxmike** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:03 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I said this last May/June and will say it again. If the Bulls trade Jimmy Butler it's going to be a deal so good most of you will be on board.

Give me a list of deals where a star player was traded away, and the return was of anything close to equal value. In most recent years, all I can think of is the Love deal that worked out fairly well, but all the others involving a star the other team trading away the play usually gets molested.

What I'm saying is that I'm not overly optimistic that everyone will be happy with the returns on a Jimmy trade.

Exactly. Deron Williams is the only recent star trade I can recall that worked out for the team trading the star away.

I would argue that Wiggins isnt better than Live anyways. After next season Wiggins is going to make a lot more money so Love will be an even better value.

MrSparkle · Post #505 » by **MrSparkle** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:04 am

HomoSapien wrote:The chances of getting someone better than Butler are insanely slim. Even if you do find a great prospect, most of them will take 2-3 years to develop. Butler is still only 27, and is going to be an impact player for a long time. Can you imagine what a disaster it would've been if the Celtics prematurely gave up on Paul Pierce for a rebuild?

Indeed.

As I keep saying, even if we strike out in 2017 free agency, I'd still rather dump RoLo/Taj, tank next year, and then come into 2018 with $70m+ in cap-room and a lottery pick.

Jimmy's not gonna ask out if he's losing as the #1 option; he still get to lead a big market team as a 2nd-tier star (or 3rd-tier in some people's minds :noway:

). He's locked until 2019 anyway, and you have the unique opportunity to take advantage of his $20m salary while recruiting more max FAs and complimentary players (potentially looking at $80m in cap-space if Niko/Taj/RoLo are all off the books).

Fred and Bobby will know how to tank, regardless who their best player is. :thumbsup:

All things considered, it'd be a rough year and half, but "keep Jimmy and tank for the next 2 seasons" is actually the best possible scenario. You come up with a potential powerhouse in 2018/19, and at 30 years old, Jimmy's game is probably gonna plateau.

2018 free agents: http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/09/2018-nba-free-agents.html

The highlights and potentially realistic targets are these totally unrestricted, prime players: Cousins, George, Barton, Bradley (the guy everybody wants to trade for :-?

).

vxmike · Post #506 » by **vxmike** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:07 am

The Box Office wrote:I'd trade Jimmy Butler. Time to cash in.

He's not Michael Jordan. Hell, he's not even Pippen and the Bulls were going to trade Pip to Seattle for Kemp. Do it in the summer though, not now. So we can possibly get Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball for Butler, Niko, McDermott, his mom, Benny the Bull, and our first rounders? I'm in.

It would be a dream to keep Butler and be bad enough to get a top 3 pick without trading though.

Best to do it now if it's going to be done. The Bulls will easily be a bottom 3-4 team in the East without Jimmy and it makes the Sac pick more likely to confer if the Bulls finish with a worse record.

vxmike · Post #507 » by **vxmike** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:08 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:Don't know about anyone else

But ben Simmons got bust written all over him imo

We would regret that deal immediately

He really doesn't but if it helps u sleep better

Simmons is a top notch prospect with an incredible feel for the game to be so young.

Plus Chicago would get Jahlil Okafor back.

There is no better option to rebuild than that one. Not Minne, nor Lakers nor Boston.

Simmons can't shoot and already broke his foot. Pass.

Post #508 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:35 am

vxmike wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:Don't know about anyone else

But ben Simmons got bust written all over him imo

We would regret that deal immediately

He really doesn't but if it helps u sleep better

Simmons is a top notch prospect with an incredible feel for the game to be so young.

Plus Chicago would get Jahlil Okafor back.

There is no better option to rebuild than that one. Not Minne, nor Lakers nor Boston.

Simmons can't shoot and already broke his foot. Pass.

So he broke his foot - he'll recover, it's no big deal. He's a #1 pick with elite talent, not many players I'd rather build a deal around.

The Force. · Post #509 » by **The Force.** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:43 am

Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder, Net's 2017/18 Picks

Something along those lines is worth considering. Bulls are WAY better off rebuilding at this point. No one is beating Cleveland or GS anytime soon.

Benedict Miller · Post #510 » by **Benedict Miller** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:01 am

They were shopping him in the offseason, but we have those that like to forget about that or damage control what happened.

BullChit · Post #511 » by **BullChit** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:03 am

So let me get this straight...

We are all very suspect about GarPax ability to draft top talent...

Arguably (With the exception of Rose who fell into our lap) the best player we have drafted since Jordan was a 30th pick said to be a defensive specialist at best has worked himself into a top 10 talent all star and we want to get rid of him so that GarPax have another chance to f**k up in the draft...

Solid plan...

nomorezorro · Post #512 » by **nomorezorro** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:36 am

does anyone know the last time a player as good as butler was traded in a similar situation? multiple years left on his contract, still trending upward, in the middle of a top-10 season on a .500 team in the playoff picture?

The Force. · Post #513 » by **The Force.** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:41 am

BullChit wrote:So let me get this straight...

We are all very suspect about GarPax ability to draft top talent...

Arguably (With the exception of Rose who fell into our lap) the best player we have drafted since Jordan was a 30th pick said to be a defensive specialist at best has worked himself into a top 10 talent all star and we want to get rid of him so that GarPax have another chance to f**k up in the draft...

Solid plan...

Point taken.

However, consider the alternative:

We keep Butler. 1st round playoff exit at best. low lottery at worst. Sign Hayward and Greg Monroe. Lose Niko/Taj to FA. Rondo and Wade both gone. (or something along those lines)

Go into next season with middling playoff team. 2nd round playoff exit at best. Rinse, repeat.

So really what we're facing here are two paltry alternatives (okay maybe more than two but you get the point). I'm choosing the alternative that at least gives us a chance to be worthwhile once the Cavs/GS dynasties come to an end, regardless of how inept our FO appears to be.

The Force. · Post #514 » by **The Force.** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:42 am

nomorezorro wrote:does anyone know the last time a player as good as butler was traded in a similar situation? multiple years left on his contract, still trending upward, in the middle of a top-10 season on a .500 team in the playoff picture?

You say 'playoff picture' as though it matters.

Ctownbulls · Post #515 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:53 am

Only trade that makes sense involved multiples firsts and a top 5 pick this year. Not sure how you make that trade without seeing how the lottery shakes out.

Ctownbulls · Post #516 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:55 am

The Force. wrote:Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder, Net's 2017/18 Picks

Something along those lines is worth considering. Bulls are WAY better off rebuilding at this point. No one is beating Cleveland or GS anytime soon.

Not that I want to trade Jimmy but this is the type of deal that makes sense. Bulls would probably have a top 3 pick and a total of 3 top 15 picks this year. Probably another 2 top 10 picks next year. Plus Jaylen Brown is going to be a stud.

Ctownbulls · Post #517 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 8:56 am

I'd like a new GM in here if they are going to build something from scratch.

t-time · Post #518 » by **t-time** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:26 am

I am against a rebuild with the 2 clowns in charge.

DroseReturnChi · Post #519 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:29 am

t-time wrote:I am against a rebuild with the 2 clowns in charge.

Still better than being pretenders and it's the worst. And rebuilding likely means theres a high possibility there will be a new GM since it would be acknolwedging their mistakes.

Raps in 4 · Post #520 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:45 am

Butler is arguably a top-5 player in the NBA and he's only 27.

I can see the appeal in rebuilding since your team sucks, but the goal of a rebuild is to find a player like Butler. You have that player right now so why not try to (properly) build around him? Put a new GM in charge and give it a shot.