2017 Trade thread

[psimanic1]

What could we get for Mudiay Nurkic Gallo Barton...Give Beasley backup minutes and Hernangomez as backup at SF

[The Rebel]

Let's hope to see some good trades while this thread is open.


Post your trade thoughts and all hopes here.

[The Rebel]

The next month-and-a-half are going to be quite interesting, and history is not exactly encouraging as far as the confidence we should put in the management of this team. The success/failures of the team on the court will help make this decision for us, but these are the options.

1) Deadline buyers - compete this year for the 8 seed. Quite a few things fall into this camp. Any Millsap or Butler trades would obviously fall into this group, but it would entail adding veteran help to try to compete for the playoffs this season.

2) Deadline sellers - add draft/future assets, open up playing time for young players during the second half, and start eyeing a loaded 2017 Draft. Move Gallo. Move Chandler/Faried/Nelson where you can. Maybe Barton.

3) Ambiguous, foot in both camps, non-move or small move. History tells me this is what we love to do. The old "Randy Foye for two 2nds as the biggest move we make". Don't take a stand, and avoid criticism for taking a stand. "We were aggressive on the phones, nothing came of it..."

#3 sucks. I tend to say #2 is still the right approach unless a Butler type is attainable, because you're basically selling out for the right to get slaughtered by Golden State this year, with no real plan for next year if you're acquiring Millsap. The 2017 draft is loaded. Give Murray time at PG and playing time to make mistakes without getting yanked. Juancho should also get time if we move on from Faried.

Good to see you MHZ.

I think you lay out the options very well, and I am firmly in the camp for option 2. It just does not make sense to trade for guys like Millsap and Butler to me as this team is not that close. It does not help that the young guys have not had a chance to really see where they are at due to all the veterans on the roster getting their minutes and time on the court, so we are not going to get full value for them and we do not even really know the long term holes for skills that are needed for this roster.

I fear the team will go with option 1 more than option 3 as crazy as that sounds. I would rather they trade some of the veterans and start to see where the young guys are than make a push for the 8th seed only to be stuck there for the next few years with no cap space and no flexibility. Guys like Butler or Millsap are great players, but they are not good enough to build around, more like the 2nd guy on your team, yet it would probably take at least 1 of the young guys with the potential to be a number 1 guy to get either one.

Option 3 sucks but at least they are not screwing things up further by moving the young talent to get sale tickets and kill the future.

[The Rebel]

What could we get for Mudiay Nurkic Gallo Barton...Give Beasley backup minutes and Hernangomez as backup at SF

Why trade Mudiay and Nurkic? Those guys still have a ton of potential and moving them now only hurts the future of the team.

Also Hernangomez is as much a SF as ARthur is, in other words he is not one. He is not fast enough to keep up with the SFs around the league and is best used as a PF.

[NuggetsWY]

Let's hope to see some good trades while this thread is open.

Post your trade thoughts and all hopes here.

Aren't you the optomist?

[NuggetsWY]

The next month-and-a-half are going to be quite interesting, and history is not exactly encouraging as far as the confidence we should put in the management of this team. The success/failures of the team on the court will help make this decision for us, but these are the options.

1) Deadline buyers - compete this year for the 8 seed. Quite a few things fall into this camp. Any Millsap or Butler trades would obviously fall into this group, but it would entail adding veteran help to try to compete for the playoffs this season.

I wouldn't totally object to Butler, but Millsap would have to be a cheap buy with his opt-out clause. Even a trade for Butler should be veteran-centric with maybe one young talent or one draft pick; not both. Untouchables being at a minimum: Jokic, Harris, Murray - feel free to add a couple more there and I think we can all guess a couple of others.
I truly hope the Nuggets do not try to do this. We've had too many first-round exits and that's all this would be.

2) Deadline sellers - add draft/future assets, open up playing time for young players during the second half, and start eyeing a loaded 2017 Draft. Move Gallo. Move Chandler/Faried/Nelson where you can. Maybe Barton.

This would make the most sense, IF ONLY our coach knew how to play, develop, encourage young players and not yank them for a simple mistake and/or give them inconsistent minutes with poorly defined roles and few plays run for them. Even Jokic, who is now our "high post" probably spends more time setting picks than passing the ball. (Love his willingness to set picks. He did this on his national team a lot during the Olympics too.)

3) Ambiguous, foot in both camps, non-move or small move. History tells me this is what we love to do. The old "Randy Foye for two 2nds as the biggest move we make". Don't take a stand, and avoid criticism for taking a stand. "We were aggressive on the phones, nothing came of it..."

Totally agree with you - this is the most likely and the most frustrating.
Alcoholics Anonymous is famous for their saying, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results."

#3 sucks. I tend to say #2 is still the right approach unless a Butler type is attainable, because you're basically selling out for the right to get slaughtered by Golden State this year, with no real plan for next year if you're acquiring Millsap. The 2017 draft is loaded. Give Murray time at PG and playing time to make mistakes without getting yanked. Juancho should also get time if we move on from Faried.

Hernangomez isn't being held back by Faried's minutes, not solely. Malone is playing Faried & Arthur & Chandler at PF. So just trading Faried probably doesn't help much UNLESS our coach changes his approach. I can see him playing Gallinari & Arthur & Chandler at PF with Barton picking up the extra SF minutes from that trio. <sigh>

[psimanic1]

Would you guys give Nurk, Mudiay, Faried, Barton , pick/rights to euro for Millsap, Schroeder?

Hell no. I would not even give up one of Nurk or Mudiay. What is the point? This is not a team that is going to do anything just adding Millsap.

We get upgrade at PG position...

[psimanic1]

Nurkic doesn't like being backup, he is not like Jokic, he will make you problems if he doesn't like how he is treated, and right now, i don't think he likes it. Also, we give more PT to Murray, Beasley and Hernangomez(either at SF or PF), and we get something good in return. Why not try this trade with WAS, for Otto Porter, Gortat(backup C), fillers...

[EricAnderson]

2 is the clear way to go. Get as a high a pick as you can in this loaded draft and any added picks you can from Chandler/Gallo/Faried/Barton

Get younger and play the young guys and let them go through the growing pains.

No win now moves are gonna make this team a contender.

But who knows if the gm feels he has the job security to blow it up or if the owner is patient enough for that. The owners probably more worried about filling empty seats more then what's good for this franchise in the long term

[NuggetsWY]

Would you guys give Nurk, Mudiay, Faried, Barton , pick/rights to euro for Millsap, Schroeder?

Hell no. I would not even give up one of Nurk or Mudiay. What is the point? This is not a team that is going to do anything just adding Millsap.

We get upgrade at PG position...

Atlanta is #4 in the East and they traded their starting PG to make room for Schroeder. It seems extremely unlikely that they'd want to replace him with Mudiay, who is not even close in value to the 23 yr old Schroeder. They'd be shooting themselves in knee (not just the foot). It would cripple their team.

[MHZ]

I tend to think priorities should be breaking up this veteran core of Gallo/Faried/Chandler that's been here for 6 years now. This subject matter kind of bleeds into the Malone thread, but that's my approach going into the deadline.

I don't even necessarily think it matters if any of them individually are malcontents or bad in the locker room. Faried is probably the closest to that, but as a group, they've helped foster this culture we've seen now through two coaches - apathetic, disconnected, often disinterested when it's not serving their individual needs. All three have played for losing rosters for their entire career outside of a year or two under Karl, but reportedly at least for Gallo, he doesn't want to be traded from a losing situation here in Denver. We can be happy he loves Denver, but the other side of that is "dude, how could you not be psyched to leave a rebuild and go win some effing games somewhere else while you're still in your prime?" Maybe going through the motions and collecting a nice paycheck in Denver is just the easy way out. No expectations to achieve anything.

How many signings or moves over the last few years have been to baby the locker room? Jameer Nelson and Mike Miller both have their playing days behind them anywhere else, but have been paid for multiple years now to help manage the locker room. Neither play. I'm sure they help, but your guys playing big minutes or leading you in scoring are the ones who the young guys take notes from.

It's time. Gallo is playing like he's completely disinterested right now. Faried and Malone have feuded for the better part of two seasons, and Faried has improved exactly zero parts of his game since he stepped into the NBA. Chandler is just so laid back, he's really not the type to be the locker room leader. He needs to be a complementary piece somewhere were a Chris Paul is already in place. Trade one. Trade two. Trade three. Whatever makes sense.

Moving Gallo needs to be a priority because of his contract, and because he looks like somebody in a job they hate. Show up, punch the clock. Blah.

If we can move Faried, please do that too. I don't want to take on a bad contract, but there has to be a contender who would like his energy off the bench. Toronto, if they don't get Millsap, perhaps. He's out of the rotation anyway, and we know he's caused problems with Malone.

Chandler is the guy I'm least married to moving, but the reality is also that he's healthy, and can be a really nice piece for a playoff team. If you can pull a decent return for the versatility he can provide, you absolutely do it.

It's time to stop hanging onto these guys because you don't know what else to do and you're terrified of losing a trade or public perception being that you're not playing to win. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO WIN NOW. This model hasn't worked, and it's not going to work.

[JerrySloan]

There is another rumor - they are seemingly unending - this one by Bucher, that the Bulls are up for trading Butler which I personally think is just B.S. But the following link by a PippenAintEasy writer, who also does not believe the rumor, still suggests numerous teams as potential seekers of Butler and what the writer thinks would be logical deals for both teams.

http://pippenainteasy.com/2017/01/06/jimmy-butler-trade-scenarios-chicago-bulls/

The Nuggets were not one of the teams but if the Bulls WERE looking to trade him, I think they should be.

Butler would not only be the best Nuggets player, by far, since Melo, he would bring the two things Melo never showed any interest in here in Denver: defense and leadership. Jimmy would not hesitate to call out - in the locker room - any player that was not giving an all out effort on D and his own example should be the hallmark for what Malone supposedly stands for.

Just for grins, here is the trade I would propose: Gallo, Nurkic, Murray and Juancho for Butler, Felicio and the Nuggets choice of two, one from each group: Mirotic, Gibson or Portis at PF and McD, Valentine, Grant or Canaan.

Butler, at 27, would be as close to a game changer as the Nuggets could realistically expect to get. Felicio is a totally serviceable 10-15 MPG young - 24 - backup for Jokic with no real expectations to be anything more. If the Nuggets "braintrust" - and I use the term with complete facetiousness - really want to change the culture to a defense first mentality, Gibson for probably 3 more solid years, enhances the D and locker room presence that Butler brings. If they want to take the chance that Mirotic is finally getting the consistency thing under control, he could be a clear improvement at PF, while Portis is at least somewhat of a crapshoot but could be as good or better a PF than Juancho.

McD is another guy who may finally getting his act together as a more complete player than just a 3PT shooter while Grant has shown some ability as a combo guard and Valentine may be as good as Beasley in the long run but would be another more mature serious guy with 4 years at MSU.

So, at the end of the day, I would see this trade as giving the Nuggets both a true All-Star player and a real chance for culture change that, some at least, think is sorely needed.

[tstrick33]

Seems a bit odd that we waived Gee. Does he have a guarantee coming up? Otherwise, I would guess we are the third team willing to take on Dunleavy in the Korver to Cavs deal. I'd bet we could get a first round pick for taking him on so might as well keep stacking those assets.

[MHZ]

Yep. Contract would become guaranteed if he were on the roster in a few days, I believe. I wouldn't read much into it.

[BucksPackers]

I was thinking Milsap would be perfect fit in Denver. But the thing is who wants to give up assets for a rental but if you guys could get out of farieds deal in some kind of deal for milsap you could throw some of farieds money at sap.

I was thinking maybe Sap and Splitter who is expiring for Faried, (barton or harris) and a protected first. Having Jokic and Sap would be a lot to handle for most teams. Again I am not a denver fan or a hawks fan just thinking about ideas.

[U hova]

I think I heard zach randolph rumors, and yeah he's obviously not a game changer but he's an amazing locker room guy from what I hear, took the backseat for Jamychael Green without any fuss, etc.

It'd be wonderful to pickup an actual veteran like him either in Free Agency or just trading Gallo/Faried straight up.

[Mac1958]

I don't remember seeing a team this horizontal before, meaning so many players who are so similar in overall talent. A team of 10 or 12 "pretty good" players just doesn't win in a league as star-driven as the NBA.

Depth is great, but it doesn't hold a candle to having at least two alpha dogs. As far as I'm concerned, the one keeper on this team is Jokic, and everyone else is expendable if it means going more vertical, getting some high-end talent.

Nurkic is valuable, but he's at the one redundant position. Mudiay is regressing, if anything, and would be better moved sooner than later.

So keep Jokic, do what it takes to bring in two youngish alpha dogs, including a defensive power forward to take some heat off Jokic, and fill in the blanks.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

I don't remember seeing a team this horizontal before, meaning so many players who are so similar in overall talent. A team of 10 or 12 "pretty good" players just doesn't win in a league as star-driven as the NBA.

Depth is great, but it doesn't hold a candle to having at least two alpha dogs. As far as I'm concerned, the one keeper on this team is Jokic, and everyone else is expendable if it means going more vertical, getting some high-end talent.

Nurkic is valuable, but he's at the one redundant position. Mudiay is regressing, if anything, and would be better moved sooner than later.

So keep Jokic, do what it takes to bring in two youngish alpha dogs, including a defensive power forward to take some heat off Jokic, and fill in the blanks.

Don't think I'd say Mudiay is regressing. He's had better games since we went with Jokic as the starter. It was the beginning of the season that was brutal. I'm not selling low on him.

[eathb_au]

Will hope the core of Gallo/Chandler/Faried are broken up. Those 3 were responsible for ruining Shaw's career and it looks like the same is happening to Malone. Just cannot shake the feeling that they're a root cause.

[skywalker33]

I was thinking Milsap would be perfect fit in Denver. But the thing is who wants to give up assets for a rental but if you guys could get out of farieds deal in some kind of deal for milsap you could throw some of farieds money at sap.

I was thinking maybe Sap and Splitter who is expiring for Faried, (barton or harris) and a protected first. Having Jokic and Sap would be a lot to handle for most teams. Again I am not a denver fan or a hawks fan just thinking about ideas.

That's apparent !! We are giving up assets for a 3 month rental who probably won't re-sign here anyway......