Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[MC3]

The Celtics should end up giving the best package. It is all about desperation. 76ers and Wolves are not so desperate to win right now. The Celtics have to win and need a star like player now. Otherwise, they are going to be a perennial 2nd round team for the next 8 years with some guys like Horford fading off and some new good player developing after 4 years.

We will get Brown and two Nets picks sooner or later. Or whatever package we require. Ainge doesnt have too much time, otherwise he will put himself into position to tear it down and rebuild properly. Bulls on other hand can keep Butler next 2 years and do nothing. And then resign him and again do nothing. if GarPax are good in anything it's stand-path.

[AirP.]

DeRozan is not better offensively.

I guess if you say so... he shoots at a higher percentage. he scores more points in less minutes. He gets to the line just like Jimmy.

He needs 3 more shots per game to score 2,2 more points per game than Butler, but cool story bro.

Funny thing is DeRozan is a worse playmaker and a more selfish player than Butler, and his advanced metrics are WAY worse. You'd hate him if he was in a Bulls jersey.

DeRozan is doing it and his team is winning at a high clip, Butler, not so much. I'm not sure Butler would have the same amount of points per game if his team weren't so bad.

[Bomba Navarro]

I guess if you say so... he shoots at a higher percentage. he scores more points in less minutes. He gets to the line just like Jimmy.

He needs 3 more shots per game to score 2,2 more points per game than Butler, but cool story bro.

Funny thing is DeRozan is a worse playmaker and a more selfish player than Butler, and his advanced metrics are WAY worse. You'd hate him if he was in a Bulls jersey.

DeRozan is doing it and his team is winning at a high clip, Butler, not so much. I'm not sure Butler would have the same amount of points per game if his team weren't so bad.

Yeah, it's so much easier for Butler to score more efficiently than DeRozan with the great team the Bulls FO put around him. Do you imagine how much room DeRozan would have, and how efficient he would be, if he'd had Rajon Rondo by him instead of Kyle Lowry? That boy Butler is getting many more easy looks and easy buckets than DeRozan.

Oh, wait!

[AirP.]

He needs 3 more shots per game to score 2,2 more points per game than Butler, but cool story bro.

Funny thing is DeRozan is a worse playmaker and a more selfish player than Butler, and his advanced metrics are WAY worse. You'd hate him if he was in a Bulls jersey.

DeRozan is doing it and his team is winning at a high clip, Butler, not so much. I'm not sure Butler would have the same amount of points per game if his team weren't so bad.

Yeah, it's so much easier for Butler to score more efficiently than DeRozan with the great team the Bulls FO put around him. Do you imagine how much room DeRozan would have, and how efficient he would be, if he'd had Rajon Rondo by him instead of Kyle Lowry? That Butler is getting many more easy looks and easy buckets than DeRpzan.

I think he wouldn't be shooting nearly as much, playing in more of a system instead of getting to shoot basically whatever he wants. We don't know if Butler can be a bigtime scorer in a system, we know he can go iso and get to the line, not so much playing as a team and still putting up big numbers. Kevin Love was basically in the same situation in Minnesota and hasn't done as well in Cleveland.

[Bomba Navarro]

DeRozan is doing it and his team is winning at a high clip, Butler, not so much. I'm not sure Butler would have the same amount of points per game if his team weren't so bad.

Yeah, it's so much easier for Butler to score more efficiently than DeRozan with the great team the Bulls FO put around him. Do you imagine how much room DeRozan would have, and how efficient he would be, if he'd had Rajon Rondo by him instead of Kyle Lowry? That Butler is getting many more easy looks and easy buckets than DeRpzan.

I think he wouldn't be shooting nearly as much, playing in more of a system instead of getting to shoot basically whatever he wants. We don't know if Butler can be a bigtime scorer in a system, we know he can go iso and get to the line, not so much playing as a team and still putting up big numbers.

This makes no sense honestly. DeRozan is much more of a “me“ player than Butler both attitude and playing style wise. Seriously, have y'all watched the guy play? Go ask Raptors fans about him.

[jc23]

If you replaced harden with jimmy i think JB's numbers would be higher then we see here in Chicago. Not at hardens level, but higher for sure. Jimmy is a beast if he is put on a team that gives him space to work. The numbers say Chicago is one of the worse deep threats in the league, its impressive the numbers he puts up when the entire defense is in the paint and Jimmy is not a great 3 point threat.

[AirP.]

Yeah, it's so much easier for Butler to score more efficiently than DeRozan with the great team the Bulls FO put around him. Do you imagine how much room DeRozan would have, and how efficient he would be, if he'd had Rajon Rondo by him instead of Kyle Lowry? That Butler is getting many more easy looks and easy buckets than DeRpzan.

I think he wouldn't be shooting nearly as much, playing in more of a system instead of getting to shoot basically whatever he wants. We don't know if Butler can be a bigtime scorer in a system, we know he can go iso and get to the line, not so much playing as a team and still putting up big numbers.

This makes no sense honestly. DeRozan is much more of a “me“ player than Butler both attitude and playing style wise. Seriously, have y'all watched the guy play? Go ask Raptors fans about him.

So what you're saying Butler would put up just as good stats on a good team? DeRozen is doing what his coach is asking of him and what his FO paid him to do and... their winning.

[Bulls03]

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Wade wants us to get better. I highly doubt we trade Butler if we do wade will probably leave too.

[Bomba Navarro]

I think he wouldn't be shooting nearly as much, playing in more of a system instead of getting to shoot basically whatever he wants. We don't know if Butler can be a bigtime scorer in a system, we know he can go iso and get to the line, not so much playing as a team and still putting up big numbers.

This makes no sense honestly. DeRozan is much more of a “me“ player than Butler both attitude and playing style wise. Seriously, have y'all watched the guy play? Go ask Raptors fans about him.

So what you're saying Butler would put up just as good stats on a good team? DeRozen is doing what his coach is asking of him and what his FO paid him to do and... their winning.

And what is Butler doing, in your opinion? By the looks of every stat, be it raw or advanced, his presence on the court is making the Bulls substantially better. In fact, his on/off stats show that he's turning a bottom 3-5 team into a playoff team.

Being a franchise player on a crappy team is more difficult than playing second fiddle on a great team, which is what DeRozan is. Of course Butler could do what DeRozan is doing.

[Poohdini1]

The Celtics should end up giving the best package. It is all about desperation. 76ers and Wolves are not so desperate to win right now. The Celtics have to win and need a star like player now. Otherwise, they are going to be a perennial 2nd round team for the next 8 years with some guys like Horford fading off and some new good player developing after 4 years.

The Celtics will crack and offer up something big eventually. It's nice having assets and high impact players on cheap deals (IT, Crowder) but eventually, those assets lose value. You're gonna have to break bread for IT and Jae in a year or 2 and all of the sudden, you've got 3 monster deals for players who aren't elite game change talents, surrounded by rookies. Avery Bradley also expiring, so the clock is ticking.

If the Celtics really want to compete for the East I don't see how they don't put all their chips in for Jimmy sooner rather than later.

[Rerisen]

What I've seen this year, whenever the 3pt shooters are hitting and/or Fred even puts out lineups with spacing, Jimmy does great.

[Payt10]

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Wade wants us to get better. I highly doubt we trade Butler if we do wade will probably leave too.

That's why dealing Butler this season doesn't make any sense. The Bulls are not going to piss off Wade by dealing Butler in order to tank for the future while he's on the roster. That's a move that they shouldn't even consider until the off-season. I've been saying that as long as Jimmy is on your roster, you need to go all in and maximize your opportunity to compete in the EC while he still has 3-4 great years left in him.

[AirP.]

This makes no sense honestly. DeRozan is much more of a “me“ player than Butler both attitude and playing style wise. Seriously, have y'all watched the guy play? Go ask Raptors fans about him.

So what you're saying Butler would put up just as good stats on a good team? DeRozen is doing what his coach is asking of him and what his FO paid him to do and... their winning.

And what is Butler doing, in your opinion? By the looks of every stat, be it raw or advanced, his presence on the court is making the Bulls substantially better. In fact, his on/off stats show that he's turning a bottom 3-5 team into a playoff team.

Being a franchise player on a crappy team is more difficult than playing second fiddle on a great team, which is what DeRozan is. Of course Butler could do what DeRozan is doing.

Maybe or maybe not, DeRozen has scored 20 or more 31 of 35 games, Jimmy Butler, 29 in 36 games and only Butler of the 2 have scored in single digits for his team this season. At this point DeRozen has been a more consistent scorer then Butler which also helps a team win. I'm not saying Butler couldn't thrive on a good team, but it's been shown time after time big scorers on bad teams go to better teams and their stats take a pretty good drop, not all but most.

[Poohdini1]

What do you guys think of the Celtics giving us 2 of Crowder/Bradley/Smart, Jaylen Brown, and both of Brooklyn's 1st round picks??

I still don't want to see Jimmy go but that's prolly the best value we'll find.

[Bomba Navarro]

What I've seen this year, whenever the 3pt shooters are hitting and/or Fred even puts out lineups with spacing, Jimmy does great.

I wonder what skill DeRozan has and Jimmy lacks that makes him more suitable for a better team. DeRozan has a better midrange shot IMO, but other than than Jimmy is better across the board, including having a better court awareness/vision and being a more willing passer/distributor. Furthermore, both prefer to have the ball in their hands but Butler has been, and skillset wise still is, a better player to have off the ball.

[Bulls03]

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Wade wants us to get better. I highly doubt we trade Butler if we do wade will probably leave too.

That's why dealing Butler this season doesn't make any sense. The Bulls are not going to piss off Wade by dealing Butler in order to tank for the future while he's on the roster. That's a move that they shouldn't even consider until the off-season. I've been saying that as long as Jimmy is on your roster, you need to go all in and maximize your opportunity to compete in the EC while he still has 3-4 great years left in him.

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Yea and then there's this. He's for sure leaving if we trade him. He sounds on edge today, seems pissed off here and sounds pissed off talking about Korver going to the Cavs saying the rich get richer and saying teams are just gifting them players. Must've had a bad day lol.

[otwok]

Here's a trade that I would do for Butler.

Butler and 2017 first to Philly for Simmons, Okafor and Philly 2017 first.

Yes, I know that sounds ludicrous af and that's because it's supposed to. We shouldn't be taking anything for Butler that doesn't clearly lay a legit foundation for the future. Next year this time might be a different situation. But as of now, Jimmy "statistically" is a top ten guy. We may not be that great. But we certainly aren't a team in turmoil to the extent where we should be gift wrapping that type of player.

I would do that deal and im not afan of moving butler

Any Bulls fan would do that deal. I don't want to move Butler either but a trade like that, oh my.

[Rerisen]

Ainge and GarPax seems like the unlikeliest deal makers ever..

Chris Mannix calls in to Toucher and Rich to addresses the rumors that the Celtics and Danny Ainge submitted a 'low-ball offer' for Cavs forward Kevin Love at the trade deadline.

“The Celtics are the kings of the low ball offer," Mannix said. "The executives I talk to across the league. The Celtics, they’ll try to pry an All-Star out with nothing more than the combination of David Lee and Jonas Jerebko.”

That said, Mannix does think the Celtics could be in line to land Love in the offseason.

“Barring a championship, Kevin Love is going to be on the move in Cleveland. It just isn’t working.”

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/mannix-cslove-ainge-king-low-ball-offers

[Rerisen]

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Yea and then there's this. He's for sure leaving if we trade him. He sounds on edge today, seems pissed off here and sounds pissed off talking about Korver going to the Cavs saying the rich get richer and saying teams are just gifting them players. Must've had a bad day lol.

Wade is telling us he came here to play with Jimmy, why don't we understand our best selling point to other stars is keeping Butler.

[Bomba Navarro]

So what you're saying Butler would put up just as good stats on a good team? DeRozen is doing what his coach is asking of him and what his FO paid him to do and... their winning.

And what is Butler doing, in your opinion? By the looks of every stat, be it raw or advanced, his presence on the court is making the Bulls substantially better. In fact, his on/off stats show that he's turning a bottom 3-5 team into a playoff team.

Being a franchise player on a crappy team is more difficult than playing second fiddle on a great team, which is what DeRozan is. Of course Butler could do what DeRozan is doing.

Maybe or maybe not, DeRozen has scored 20 or more 31 of 35 games, Jimmy Butler, 29 in 36 games and only Butler of the 2 have scored in single digits for his team this season. At this point DeRozen has been a more consistent scorer then Butler which also helps a team win. I'm not saying Butler couldn't thrive on a good team, but it's been shown time after time big scorers on bad teams go to better teams and their stats take a pretty good drop, not all but most.

Their stats take a good drop because their usage plummets and they don't shoot nowhere nearly as much. You trade Butler for DeRozan straight up and give Butler DeRozan's role and I'm pretty damn sure his performance tops DeRozan's. There is literally nothing in DeRozan's game Jimmy can't do equally well or better, except for shooting the midrange, by far the worst shot in the game of basketball.